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Just been watching some videos from ME3, trying to remind myself that the ending was only 1% of the game. Anyone else get a little  when they saw David Archer at Grissom Academy?I answered right along with my Shepard when David said his familiar line- "30.1". Then he said he'd been counting the number of days I lengthened his life. Then I met back up with his rear end in a top hat brother during Jacob's mission.
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| # ¿ Mar 19, 2012 23:02 |
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| # ¿ May 25, 2013 20:22 |
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Well... this is interesting... BioWare cancels unannounced Dragon Age II Expansion. LOTS OF SPECULATION on why?
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| # ¿ Mar 19, 2012 23:31 |
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PiCroft posted:Wow, googling "mass effect 3" for me brings up a whole bunch of front-page results regarding the controversy, including the Amazon refund one. "If BioWare doesn't announce something soon... there won't be a franchise left to save." Seriously, I have never seen such an explosion of rage (of course, I'm part of it). Of course, the only problem is that I think all BioWare employees are probably on vacation to reward them for their work. I pity BioWare's skeleton crew. They are dealing with a rage that has no equal in the history of gaming.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 00:49 |
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CaptainCarrot posted:Yes, but Walters and Hudson are entirely responsible for the ending, for which they deserve much condemnation. As it stands right now, they deserve every bit of heat they're getting. But I wouldn't be surprised if there's more that went on behind the scenes. Again, it is nearly unthinkable to me that a company could do 99% right and gently caress up poo poo so badly on the end run. All they needed was a scene after the Explosions. All they needed was to end the series on a happy note rather than a "WHAT THE gently caress IS THIS poo poo" note. I've said it before- I don't even care that the relays blew up. If, as I suggested earlier in the thread, they had ended the game on a speech by Hackett, and not gone with the whole "GARDEN OF EDEN" ending, it would have been fine.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 01:02 |
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Mister Bates posted:If they were following the Charon Relay, the only systems I can think of would be Arcturus, which was the first system in human space conquered by the Reapers and is essentially devoid of life, and Eden Prime, which isn't much better off than Earth is. Why are they going there? Because no reason! You know, given that the concept art featured a direct reference to the Garden of Eden, the thought did cross my mind- maybe it was Eden Prime they crashed on. How many moons does the planet have? That would be at least a somewhat decent bookend- end the series the place it started. Even if the end is solid waste excretions.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 01:05 |
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Dan Didio posted:You were relieved of duty because you died and then came back working with a terrorist organization. For some reason, I read this as "dying" being a crime, and it makes me snicker. "You are charged with the crime of dying. How do you plead?" "Not guilty, your honor." "What evidence do you submit in your defense?" "I'm alive." (prosecutor stands up) "Objection, your honor. Relevance."
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 02:41 |
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Grey Fox V2 posted:The fact we are even debating the beginning of the game shows that it makes no sense. Ironic thing is, didn't MAC WALTERS write that bit too? He hand-wrote the two worst parts of the game. What an impeccable service record.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 02:44 |
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Last night I tried to imagine M. Night Shyamalan playing the game and screaming "WHAT A TWIST!" Then I realized that it was almost as if M. Night Shyamalan had written the ending. Is Mac Walters a pseudonym for M. Night Shyamalan?
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 12:03 |
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DarthBlingBling posted:Looks like new endings may be possible via DLC EDIT: gently caress. Too seriously.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 12:54 |
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Crappy Jack posted:Oh, you poor thing. In my defense, the video was taking too long to load! TOO LONG I SAY! NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 12:57 |
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Benjamin Black posted:Hey guys, check it out. *Reads article* *Sees "Support BioWare's Mass Effect" movement.* *Sees group only has 211 members.* 
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 14:09 |
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Dolphin Fetus posted:Wow, 200 members strong. Those guys who loved the ending better start a charity too! I think its nuts the ME3 ending charity has made 70k so far...do all the people donating toward it agree with the cause or are people just sending in money now because of where the money goes (some childs play charity)? You can donate to Child's Play, a real, very good charity, without doing it through Retake Mass Effect. So all the contributions through the ChipIn site are legitimate "we want better endings" donations.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 14:12 |
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Grey Fox V2 posted:Traynor is a romance option? That's news to me. Only for FemSheps. Traynor likes the ladies.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 14:19 |
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Android Blues posted:Think of it as a beam that gets more precise the longer the time spent calibrating it. Like Shepard says in that one dialogue, if the Crucible's a loaded gun then humanity could end up blowing its own head off by using it improperly. That's how we get the 'don't commit robo-genocide and blow up the Relays' ending- we must send Garrus to calibrate the Crucible until it affects ONLY Reapers. I KNEW his calibration skills would come in handy down the line!
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 14:41 |
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onemanlan posted:Also the best tweak to the ending I read in this whole thread was somebody suggesting that Harbringer assumes control over TIM leading to a cool, yet unique, boss battle that we never had. No, boss battles are too video-gamey for Casey Hudson and Mac Walters. Don't you know, this is ART? LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 16:27 |
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I still think the restaurant comparison is quite apt- you go to a widely regarded and respected restaurant, enjoy a sumptuous three course meal. Then, for desert, they bring out three choices on a tray. Eager to see what is coming, you lean forward and feast your eyes on- three pieces of multicolored poo poo. You look at the waiter and say "What the hell is this poo poo?" and he just slaps you, screaming "HOW DARE YOU QUESTION OUR CHEF'S VISION, YOU PLEBE?"
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 16:30 |
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Thwomp posted:I just had a thought. Tell me if this would be crazy/general reactions: The conclusion of this thought would be that they make the 'optimal' endings directly tie into DLC. If you complete every DLC, it would open up a super-secret 4th ending! All you have to buy is 3-5 pieces of DLC! Sad thing is, I would do it without hesitation. Because ME3 remains a wonderful game, regardless of the ending, and I would be interested in the DLC.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 16:51 |
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DMBFan23 posted:This right here would be a dealbreaker for me, personally. This is true. Until the endings are fixed, one way or another, I will not be buying any ME3 DLC, or probably any other BioWare product. I will even wait a day or so after any PAID ending DLC comes out to judge the reactions of here (the somewhat level-headed response) and BSN (the crazy fanatics who will go down on BioWare if the ending is even marginally better than what we have here).
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 16:55 |
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Benjamin Black posted:Well, that's where I will differ. If BioWare promises me a pony (a new, awesome ending), I will happily buy whatever DLC precedes it. Hmmm... had not considered that. Well, it may not be a day-one buy like LotSB and Arrival were, but if they were changing the endings (and if they do, we all KNOW they will give us what we want), I would probably be satisfied and much more receptive to BioWare.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 17:03 |
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Regarding that epic blog post about the Indoctrination Theory, BioWare had better make comments on it soon, otherwise everybody's going to assume BioWare took the fan idea and ran with it. If they had intended it from the beginning, it would be the greatest twist in the history of video games. The mindfuck would be perfect. Regarding "Last Hours", I'm savvy enough to know that if you are planning an epic twist, you DON'T leak it like that. Keep in mind, the "LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE" piece of paper is Mac Walters' random scribblings. It is not a formal design document, which would most certainly hold such hints written plain to see.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 19:30 |
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Red Mundus posted:Haha, wow, so I guess "rocks fall, everybody dies" really is the canon ending Bioware wanted. Worse. A certain well-known game (NWN2) had that exact ending, but they STILL did it better. Granted, said game also had an expansion pack that continued your story, and is widely regarded as one of the flat-out best stories of all time.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 20:15 |
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Aristobulus posted:To me, and a whole bunch more people than your group, the ending did retroactively poison the trilogy. I will vouch. I will never look at Mass Effect the same way again, given that I know, in the long run, my playthrough is merely adding up to numbers to see 'which ending I can get'. It's hard to RP when you know that all RP is thrown out the window at the critical moment, and that no matter what I decide, I only get to decide the color of the universe's destruction. It certainly doesn't help that the 'optimal' ending (Synthesis) makes about as much sense as Shepard ripping open his shirt and shooting rainbows from his nipples that convince everybody to get along.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 20:22 |
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Sombrerotron posted:Me too! I want to have a big party at the end and see everyone live happily ever after, too! Especially Shepard, given all the poo poo (s)he's had to go through. I'm merely trying to add a little nuance to the discussion, to convince others that although things look grim as gently caress at the end of ME3, the situation isn't necessarily that bleak and hopeless. It probably isn't. I think someone calculated it takes ~3 days to get to Arcturus using Normandy-speed FTL (12 LY per day). The planet Benning is a huge agricultural planet there. Plus, it would seem that... Earth had a rather sudden population decline. The Turians and Quarians? Still pretty screwed (even though the Quarians brought their liveships, which could feed both fleets, since I highly doubt the Quarians brought their entire population).
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 21:26 |
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Smart Car posted:This really. If the indoctrination theory was planned to be the story, that scene where it shows Shepard alive after a Destroy ending should have shown a clear sign that the rest of the ending sequence was a hallucination: It'd work if it also showed a shot of the Reapers still wrecking London, or hell, if it even played that very recognizable Reaper sound in the background before cutting out. As it stands it's nothing but people grasping any straw they can find to proof their theory that these endings aren't the real thing. I'm not a Indoc Theory believer anymore, (Final Hours crushed my hopes and dreams) but I think it could be entirely possible that they intend to release an Awakening style expansion- but you don't play as Shepard. It would be an interesting concept- maybe they'll make it so you play as Liara or something (even though I think she's gotten enough face time, despite being BioWare's golden girl) and have to rally people to 'save Shepard' before he is lost to Reaper influences.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 21:40 |
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midwat posted:The thing is, the endings do a haphazard job of even this. Not entirely necessarily- QECs are still functioning methods of long range communication. In my growing fan-fiction ending, Shepard survives, gets healed, makes contact with the Normandy (through the Normandy's still-functioning QEC) and goes off to find them as a last adventure. He saves the crew, goes back to Earth, and tears up a bar with them. Then lives with Tali for the rest of his life.
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| # ¿ Mar 20, 2012 21:51 |
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Lady Gaga posted:Can we talk about how so many nerds have lost all sense of perspective? I literally saw someone on Reddit call someone else a "sheep" for ordering a model of the Normandy. I spent undue amounts of time on BSN post ME2's release. Let's just say that some of the people I associated with, I pray to god they calmed down. Otherwise, I see no possible way that they could possibly still be alive.
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| # ¿ Mar 21, 2012 04:38 |
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exquisite tea posted:Of course Bioware is going to defend their own, some of the discussions on BSN have turned pretty vile and unrelated to the ending altogether. Reading between the lines, this looks like epilogue DLC. Won't change the stupidity of the end choice, but might actually reveal your impact on the universe. I think that's about the best anyone could expect from this. This is true. I remember my earlier discovery of, post Final Hours, some guy screaming that he wants to chop Mac Walters' head off and poo poo down his mouth. That cannot be anything but 'destructive'. VERY glad to hear an official statement from BioWare. God knows they had to do SOMETHING. I imagine it won't be what we want, though.
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| # ¿ Mar 21, 2012 15:26 |
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Also, Zero Punctuation has reviewed ME3, if anyone wants to hear Yahtzee's thoughts. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vid...7-Mass-Effect-3
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| # ¿ Mar 21, 2012 16:35 |
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Grey Fox V2 posted:What announcement? Some BioWare PR guy posted an article saying "no new endings are planned", but it was removed in relatively quick order.
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| # ¿ Mar 21, 2012 16:43 |
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Well, the fans are somewhat victorious right now. The hardest part was getting BioWare to admit they hosed up all. They won't gently caress up this second shot. Nowhere close. At least, they better not.
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| # ¿ Mar 21, 2012 16:52 |
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Malek posted:Maybe I'm just anal but that doesn't quite equal "we screwed up" in my mind. It's as close as they're probably going to get. I should have said the hardest part was getting them to do anything at all and not just sit there screaming "ART IS IMMUTABLE YOU IGNORANT PLEBES" at us.
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| # ¿ Mar 21, 2012 16:58 |
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thexerox123 posted:I don't think we're getting changes in April... "We have researched the possible reasons of lack of clarity in the endings, and we have decided that all players are now eligible for a $1 coupon to their local eye doctor for glasses, so you can better see our endings."
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| # ¿ Mar 21, 2012 17:28 |
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The counter-invasion of BSN has begun apparently- now it's half-and-half "BIOWARE BENT OVER AND TOOK IT" and "CHANGE THE ENDINGS". All this bitching about Creative Freedom is irrelevant. Nobody is pulling a Stephen King's Misery to BioWare and forcing them to change the endings at gunpoint (at least I hope not). BioWare's choice to change the ending is their choice, not ours. They could have chosen to leave it as is. It would not have been a good business decision.
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| # ¿ Mar 22, 2012 02:15 |
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OldTennisCourt posted:This isn't fans being pissed because Garrus and Tali hooked up or that Legion or Mordin died. The issue is that the ending itself made literally no sense in the context of the game world. We were promised so much and then are given the shittiest of endings. This isn't gamers pissing themselves and whining because you can't gently caress Samara, this is a fundamental story problem This isn't even the first time BioWare has done something that gamers have wanted. Tali and Garrus? Both weren't originally romances. People wanted them to be. So they became romances.
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| # ¿ Mar 22, 2012 02:35 |
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Ash1138 posted:It's the happiest ending, after all: your pilot buddy abandoned you, ran from the fight, and now he gets to live out his days on an untamed world, having become one with his hat. Now, now, guys, if he's happy, let's let him live in his satisfaction and not tear his happiness away from him like SPECULATION did for us. This is the way the world ends... with thunderous SPECULATION.
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| # ¿ Mar 23, 2012 04:16 |
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Reminding myself of the good parts of the game (everything but the ending), I think Romanced-Tali and Shepard's dialogue on the Geth Dreadnought is some of the best writing. It's the most blatantly obvious flirting period. Garrus is the best person to have with you. He just tells you to get a room. Garrus, bros for life. Vega openly says "what am I missing here", then with every other companion (except Ashley, who just asks if it could wait until back on the ship), EDI interjects and explains that Tali and Shepard hosed. Then Shepard just says, in the most obviously pissed off voice, "Yes, THANK YOU, EDI." Meer really nailed the acting in that scene for me.
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| # ¿ Mar 23, 2012 04:38 |
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Seeing as how Futurama is being referenced, I get the sense that this is pretty much what the 'pro-enders' are trying to say will happen.
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| # ¿ Mar 23, 2012 18:40 |
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Cav posted:Yeah, 7 is what I've seen on youtube. I just threw out the IGN claim for the sake of illustrating even if it's 16, gently caress if there's much difference between any of them. Technically, I think I count 16 different endings (if you think bullshit addition of scenes counts): The seven endings. The seven endings + MY SWEET. Destroy + SHEPARD LIVES! OMG! SPECULATE! Destroy + SHEPARD LIVES MY SWEET! Of course, saying "We have 16 endings" and "We have three endings with minor variations" is a bit of a leap in logic, and horribly misleading to the consumer. When they say "16 endings", you think 16 individually hand-written endings. I expect 'clarify' and 'closure' to mean one of two things- either a slideshow epilogue ala DA:O, or clarification on something like Indoctrination Theory.
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| # ¿ Mar 23, 2012 23:05 |
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rainy day posted:not possible since the most egregious dumb poo poo by far was kind of integral to the endings. There's no way they can explain or clarify synthesis The ONLY way they can keep the 'endings' in place and close every plot hole is if Indoctrination Theory is correct and they're clarifying it. Otherwise, I agree- the endings, as they stand, make no sense.
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| # ¿ Mar 23, 2012 23:11 |
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| # ¿ May 25, 2013 20:22 |
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Sacrificial Toast posted:Since the lines between Tali and Shepard when you've romanced her on the Geth Dreadnought were some of my favorites, I was curious what some of the other squadmates would say there, but didn't want to play back up to that point on an identical character. Luckily, Youtube has provided, and there are some real winners here. I did not know about the 'jealous Ashley/Tali' dialogue. God, that is some good writing. So passive-aggressive.
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| # ¿ Mar 24, 2012 13:44 |
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