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The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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CrushedB posted:

Geoff Keighley wrote another of those "Final Hours" things for iPad, like he did for HL2 and Portal 2: http://www.me3finalhours.com/#TheApp



Who wants to take the plunge?

I'll buy it later tonight, although I'm sure most of the interesting details will be out by then.

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The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Codependent Poster posted:

Why the gently caress are you going to create a new IP, then destroy the setting with the last game? And if you have no loving plans for any games after ME3, then why is it important that the endings all have to be the same? There should be a shitload of open endings.
From what I read in the "Final Hours" app, it sounded like Bioware never had a very clear vision of where they wanted to take the franchise. They were constantly making poo poo up as they went.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they still haven't learned from their mistakes yet.

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 16, 2012 around 01:19

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

I'd rather run over you with my car!


Shimrra Jamaane posted:

That isn't true though. Drew had an ending all drawn up during ME2. It was the new writers who threw it out and gave us this trash.

Didn't Drew admit in a blog post that the writing team didn't decide on the antagonist for ME2 until he began writing Ascension?

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

I'd rather run over you with my car!


RentACop posted:

I can't decide what I like about the "what we see is Shepard being indoctrinated, the real end will be future DLC" more, the mad conspiracy theoriness of it, the vain hope that a better ending will come, or the idea Bioware would leave these little holes and hooks without realizing.

They are giving Bioware more credit than the company deserves. Assuming Bioware does release post-ending DLC down the line, it will be a reaction to the community rather than something they planned for before launch.

Noreaus posted:

Also, what was with all the things I authorized via the Spectre console? Did any of that do anything? I remember authorizing a few things that didn't cause an update to a war asset.

Some of the side missions require Spectre authorization. You can also pardon Kenneth Donnelly and Gabriella Daniels there.

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 16, 2012 around 01:46

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

I'd rather run over you with my car!


Sky Shadowing posted:

I just realized the problems with prequels.

They're pre-determined phases of time, with pre-determined events. We lose all the decision making that made the Mass Effect series so important to us. Not to mention so important to BioHAHAHAHAHAHAHA sorry I almost got through that with a straight face.

Yeah, if Bioware intends on releasing prequels, it is highly unlikely that they will have as great of an impact on the galaxy as the original ME trilogy.

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 16, 2012 around 02:23

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

I'd rather run over you with my car!


Omnicarus posted:

Man I'd kill for Bioware and Obsidian to blow out and the best elements of their teams reform to make a No One Lives Forever reboot with Mass Effect 3's gameplay and Alpha Protocol's story quality

Which petition do I sign?

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

I'd rather run over you with my car!


Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Wait that was literally Buzz Aldrin? I don't know if I can hate on that part of the ending now

Yes, my sweet.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

I'd rather run over you with my car!


CrushedB posted:

This series went in such a crazy direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Li2MIGxOww

You can see the same basic framework, but man...

It really is a drat shame. Even the TV commercial for the first game stressed the importance of exploration and decision making. Unfortunately, as the series progressed, Bioware increasingly became obsessed with linear missions and solving all of the galaxy's problems with magic blue/red text.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

I'd rather run over you with my car!


What if the player is a reaper? You have been controlling Shepard through indoctrination since Mass Effect 1.

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 16, 2012 around 05:04

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Lemon King posted:

Holy poo poo, she is made of nightmares!


I'm glad I chose the "Destroy" ending.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

I'd rather run over you with my car!


Palisader posted:

I really, genuinely wonder why it's Tali specifically that gets the creepy fans. I love Garrus, but it's shorthand for "he is a well written character with a believable arc and personality and he's voiced by a great actor" not that I love Garrus. I've also seen a ton of Liara love and while there's a really disproportionate amount of blue babies talk (I'm assuming it comes up in one of the romance dialogs? I hope.) I haven't seen anyone outright in love with Liara.

She is a virginal, naive engineer with a fill-in-the-blank face.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

I'd rather run over you with my car!


1965917 posted:

I thought that people just really loved her personality, everything she says has "nerd bait" written all over it

Her nerd-bait personality certainly helped. Although I'm sure that by hiding her face for most of the trilogy, Bioware let fans impose their own idea of what she looked like behind the mask. If you take a look at the vast majority of unmasked Tali fan art (lol), they make her face look incredibly humanoid; to the point that you would think she's just an human with chicken feet.

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 16, 2012 around 21:40

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Sanschel posted:

Judging by the brief glimpse of her face (in a picture) in her romance...she is a human with chicken feet.

Of course, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. My point was that, in all likelihood, most fans didn't know what Tali's face looked like when they drew fan art or romanced her in ME2.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

I'd rather run over you with my car!


The difference in physical appearance between Miranda/Diana and their real life counterparts is almost night and day. Do most people even recognize who those characters are supposed to be based off of?

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 16, 2012 around 22:47

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Mr Fahrenheit posted:

They were based off of people? I know many other crewmembers were, but I guess it just didn't register.

Miranda's face is based off of her voice actor, Yvonne Strahovski. Likewise, Diana is modeled after Jessica Chobot.

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 16, 2012 around 22:56

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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TheJoker138 posted:

They're modeled really poorly though. Jessica Chobot in game looks nothing like Jessica Chobot in real life, she looks like...vaguely-Asian Snooki, I guess? And Miranda's face was always off too. Then again, I've always thought the faces in ME games looked hosed up. It's something about the mouths. They're all huge, the teeth don't look right. Combine that with the cold, dead doll eyes and well...



Aside from the default male Shepard and Kaiden, most of Bioware's human characters look atrocious.

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 16, 2012 around 23:04

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Belan posted:

Casey Hudson on the Conclusion of Mass Effect 3: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/t.../index/10089946

That is a very verbose non-answer.

Edit: Typo

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 17, 2012 around 01:46

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Rei_ posted:

What's the score required for the extra bit in the Destroy ending? 6000 EMS?

You need an EMS of 4000 (or 5000+, if Anderson is killed by the Illusive Man).

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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OldMemes posted:

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with Mark Meer's acting, but Jennifer Hale just sells the role so well, I don't see myself ever doing a playthrough with a male Shepard.

It really is a shame that more people haven't played the game as FemShep. According the "Final Hours" app, only 18% of players ever play as her. Of course, that probably has a lot to do with the demographic (65% of players also choose to play as a soldier).

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 17, 2012 around 02:28

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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afflictionwisp posted:

well, this is slightly more hopeful
Damned if you, damned if you don't. Either they keep the ending as-is, and continue to receive flak from the community, or they capitulate, and the press lambasts them for compromising their "artistic integrity." Regardless of how they approach this mess, Bioware has demonstrated quite clearly, with both ME3 and DA2, that their lead writers are completely incompetent.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Dolphin Fetus posted:

Honestly, who really, truly liked the ending? IGN, Gamespot, Gabe and Tycho? I've seen plenty of positive reviews that HATED the ending. I loved the game but hated the ending too. Who's really going to complain about a video game developer releasing MORE content to lengthen the experience? Maybe some hipster like Tim Rogers, maybe Gabe will say its cheap in some big long, wordy post where he had the thesaurus in his lap every other two words.

The same group that has been crying "GAMER ENTITLEMENT" since late last week. That includes Destructoid, Penny Arcade Report, Kotaku, Shacknews, and nearly every other major gaming news site. Are there any websites, other than GameFront, Forbes, and GiantBomb, that have openly criticized the ending and Bioware's reaction to the fans? I am genuinely curious.

Cthulu Carl posted:

I think literally the only reason I'm playing through the whole series again is because I never fully appreciated the Saga of Conrad Verner.

Not the hero we deserved, but the hero we needed.

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 17, 2012 around 03:53

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Only 54% of ME2 (Xbox 360) players imported a save from ME1. I wonder if the same will hold true for ME3.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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WAR FOOT posted:

Do you ever see the Asari Consort again in ME3?

No, the last time you hear from her is in a ME2 email.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Dolphin Fetus posted:

Please do not give them that much credit until they officially state that was their plan. Going by Jessica Merizan's twitter it seems like they are trying to gauge fans for what they want for dlc. Now is the time to share constructive input and feelings if you want something. When they do actually change (IF..very big if) the ending it will be because they at least realized people hated the current one or, worst case scenario, they'll see it as a big way to cash in on fans.

Oh man, I'm sure BSN would be livid if Bioware had the gall to charge for a new ending.

Part of me wishes to see that actually happen.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Aurubin posted:

Did Mac Walters delete his twitter?

It's still there. He hasn't tweeted much since last week.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Shockeh posted:

Just an aside:

The synethesis ending is dumb for lots of storyline reasons. But hating on it because 'robots don't have DNA' is missing the loving point. You're fundamentally rewriting the rules on how life works, that's the entire premise, so an organic/synthetic hybrid is now possible. The story conclusion, especially for Shepard, is crazy inconsistent, I must stress that again, it's not being defended here, but that particular rationale for disliking it is a pretty limited way of viewing it.

All three are especially true as the Chaos/Order Organics/Synthetics thing has been a relatively minor (admittedly, recurring) theme until randomly in the last 30 minutes of play where it becomes suddenly central, it really does have that 'gently caress we wrote ourselves into a corner' vibe. I mean, we don't even speak to Harbinger, ever, and he was set up as our central antagonist. Instead we get Casper the Genocidal Ghost.*

(* Which is the best name I've heard coined for an unnamed NPC in anything ever. This was actual genius.)

E: As much as I love Clint Mansell generally, the Jack Wall Mass Effect soundtrack was more unique to the series, and simply better in general. I'm really disappointed by that one particular point.

From what I understand, people are harping on "Synthetic DNA" because it's symptomatic of Mac's poor writing. If he had explained the concept in greater detail, or at least allowed the player to "Investigate," I am sure more people would be willing to accept the idea of synthesis.

Edit: Also, Clint Mansell only composed two tracks for the game: "Leaving Earth" and "An End Once and For All."

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 17, 2012 around 20:51

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Mar 15, 2012

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VaultAggie posted:

Why did Reapers never attack the citadel until the end? If the heart of civilization is at the citadel then how come the Reapers never attack and gently caress up the council?

To my knowledge, the game never explained why the Reapers didn't attack the Citadel. I always thought that was incredibly strange. If Cerberus managed to break into the Citadel and almost kill a council member, the Reapers should have been able to cut through Citadel defenses with ease.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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BuhamutZeo posted:

Because the Citadel is part of their normal 50k cycle routine. It's a giant relay that the protheans sabotaged before ME1 that usually makes the Reaper trek from the dark ends of the galaxy a quick affair. I'm sure they'd like to get that whole system up and running again.
Didn't they use the Citadel to wipe out the leadership and disable the mass relays? Wouldn't those have played an important role in eliminating galactic civilizations?

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Karnegal posted:

So Bioware said April for some word on what the seemingly bullshit tweaks will be, right? Are we assuming PAX, or have they given a solid date? I really want some details because I can't fathom spending a dime on DLC unless they put up a pretty compelling explanation of what is changing.

They haven't given a date yet. Any plans for changing / explaining the ending would have to come either before or during PAX East. If they don't, I cannot imagine how the fans will react during the Mass Effect 3 panel.

Omnicarus posted:

From what the sales figures show so far, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last PC game that Bioware makes for a while. According to the charts online only 5% of sales have been for PC while 22% have been for PS3 and the remaining 73% Xbox.

I don't know if that takes into account Digital Sales, though. It may be that the PC number is so low because most people just bought it through Origin.

Did you get your sales data from VGChartz? That site is notorious for having faulty data.

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 24, 2012 around 09:29

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Can we please stop referencing VGChartz's sales numbers? They are notorious for having incredibly inaccurate data.

Zzulu posted:

So are we gonna get a comic, a novel or DLC as the promised "content" to flesh out the ending?

When they cancelled the expansion to Dragon Age II they said they'd finish the storyline in a comic or something so I'm afraid they'll do something like that for ME3 as well

After the first month, Dragon Age 2 sales cratered. In fact, many retailers refused to stock the "Ultimate Edition" version of the game. Unless Mass Effect 3 bombs next month, it is highly unlikely that any of their post-launch DLC / expansion plans will change.

TheJoker138 posted:

What insightful things has she written? Was it about how nazi's are sexy? Or maybe the article version of her tits falling out of her shirt on a live video podcast? Or just being really drunk and obnoxious in general?

did u kno how much activision spent to rent out the staples center

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 27, 2012 around 20:52

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Mar 15, 2012

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Steffe B posted:

Maybe I'm giving in to the SPECULATION Walters wanted to create by saying this, but what if the soldier taking a breath in the 'perfect ending bonus clip' isn't actually Shepard, but rather James Vega?

James got accepted into the N7 program as well which would explain the dogtag. Also, if I remember correctly it doesn't matter whether you completed a MaleShep or FemShep playthrough, you always get the sound of a man breathing. I'd say it's not completely unlikely that the soldier in the clip back on Earth is actually James.

Fake edit: As far as I know, James never gets out of the Normandy either sooo

The filename for that scene is End03_Shepard_Alive_(gender).

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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NmareBfly posted:

Is it even possible to get peace if you don't import?

No, you can only get two out of the five points necessary to broker peace.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Cthulhu Dreams posted:

Wait what? What was harder about it? I really liked this bit - I had Tali and Legion on board, re-wrote the heretics and Paragon Maxiumus. When it came to the squeeze I told the Admiral that I had to save him and not his crew.

You need to save the Admiral and destroy the Geth Squadron to make up for rewriting the heretics.

100 Years in Iraq posted:

Totally off-topic but nice fuckin' av. NOLF!

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 28, 2012 around 02:21

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Mar 15, 2012

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How Bioware managed to make the act of giving cupcakes to homeless children hurt their image is beyond my comprehension. They clearly do not know how to interact with their community.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Malek posted:

They won't. They still think they're doing a good job and every single time they bring up the ending, they always lead off (in one form or another) the critics reviews. There is no admission to fault or screw up in any of the statements that anyone on the Bioware side has *EVER* done on this whole thing. They still think they're right and they're just going to "Yes Men" to confirm it and closing their ears and singing "Na na na na na na" to those that disagree.

I hate to say it but I'm thinking the ending DLC is going to be a flop, they will never do the right thing by it for the fans and they'll think they're still top poo poo for it. If anything, this just shows us that Bioware is now EA. Period.
I agree. Bioware will, in all likelihood, misinterpret our complaints about the ending. Rather than fix the narrative and thematic inconsistencies, they will add a handful of cheerful / upbeat scenes to the ending, with the expectation that concluding the game on a more optimistic note will satisfy the fanbase.

"Oh, you didn't like our deep, emotional, introspective ending? No problem. We'll just add an extra five minute clip at the end that shows Liara and Javik frolicking through Candyland with a basket full of cupcakes in hand."

e: Typo

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 29, 2012 around 21:21

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Here is a new statement from Chris Priestly:

Chris Priestly posted:

People are spinning this incorrectly to say we are not listening to "negative feedback" and how bad we are and etcetera.

Wrong.

We did listen. At no time did we try to stop Fuss for making the cupcakes or delivering them (this would be unfair to Fuss and to the fans who sent the cupcakes and a generally dickish thing to do). When the cupcakes reached us, we did not refuse to take them (again, unfair to the people who sent them). I, along with Fernando, Mark and Alistair went down, met with Shadow Wrought, gave him some swag for being brave enough to show up and keep us honest and took them upstairs. We took all of the included messages out of the bags and boxes so we would not lose them (again, cuz we're listening). We did not throw them away, ignore them till they got stale or not use them as what they are, food. We chose not to eat them and gave them to a needy charity.

The message REACHED us. Whether we ate the cupcakes, threw them in teh garbage or donated them to charity is secondary to us getting the message, right? If we had (somehow) frozen time, put them in a display case for all time as a reminder of the message sent by fans, this would have been the same thing.

Us actually eating the cupcakes or not should not have been the issue. The issue was fans creatively sent us a message expressing their love for Mass Effect as a franchise, but dislike over the endings. This message was delivered to us and we got it loud and clear.

My apologies if this has already been posted.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Dr. Abysmal posted:

Priestly has always been like that, the PR for Dragon Age II was a train wreck too. Maybe even more amusing when you consider that David Gaider was right in the thick of it and personally posting on the forums and getting into arguments with fans and posting stuff that basically amounts to "it's my game and I'll do what I want with it." It's too bad Mac Walters isn't on there trying to defend himself from the bloodthirsty horde.

Mac Walters has been conspicuously silent during the entire kerfuffle. His Twitter account hasn't had activity for almost two weeks now.

The Operative fucked around with this message at Mar 29, 2012 around 22:35

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Mar 15, 2012

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thumb posted:

I think Stanely Woo is still in QA. He just posts on the boards and has admin privileges. Jessica Merizan has been a good CM for all of this, not sure if her domain overlaps with Chris.

Is Merizan's work limited to social networking sites (Facebook and Twitter)? I haven't seen her post on BSN very often.

The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Mister Bates posted:

This is so perfect and obvious an idea that I am absolutely astonished they didn't do something like this. They already have not just one but two recurring journalist characters that have appeared in both previous games, but when they create an 'embedded journalist' role in the story they decide to fill it with neither of them, instead using what basically amounts to a lovely self-insert fanfic character? Seriously, what the gently caress were they thinking?

Instead, they chose to kill Wong.

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The Operative
Mar 15, 2012

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Internet Kraken posted:

When did Wong die? I never remember reading about it in an email, which is I assume were it happened.
She died after ramming her skyvan into a Reaper. Check out the tweets made on March 5th.

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