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Both the FPS (or TPS) and RPG elements are equally integral to making a Bethesda Fallout, which is to say they might be necessary but they're smaller parts of a whole. Really, for me the simple appeal lies in being set loose into a hand crafted virtual reality. Having a massive persistent world that I can explore and interact with. This was part of Fallout's appeal as well, but with the change in perspective and elimination of map travel between hubs, you lose a whole layer of abstracted interface. And Bethesda really deserves a lot of credit for what it does. There aren't that many modern fully open world RPGs, and for all the writing and technical jank, their worlds are pretty drat appealing. Since the open interactive world is what I believe is defining of the Bethesda games, I think it'd be more useful to typify them as sandbox games with RPG and FPS elements. The games would be quite different without either one of the two, but neither is as vital as the sandbox. From that perspective, there's a pretty significant shift between the originals and the new Fallouts. CrookedB posted:Heh, it's an epidemic. Dead State, Brian Mitsoda's survival zombie RPG, is heading down the Kickstarter route as well: http://www.irontowerstudio.com/foru...pic,2482.0.html As sacrilegious as this may be a thing to say in this thread, I may be Also: YESSSSSSSSSSSS! Rinkles fucked around with this message at Mar 19, 2012 around 19:17 |
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CrookedB posted:Heh, it's an epidemic. Dead State, Brian Mitsoda's survival zombie RPG, is heading down the Kickstarter route as well: http://www.irontowerstudio.com/foru...pic,2482.0.html oh goddammit I'm gonna spend all my gaming money on games not even out yet  I guess I can work on my backlog.
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If it gets funded at least we might see Dead State before we're all old and grumpy. Hasn't there been any news about it for at least a year?
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I don't want to get involved in an NMA debate but it baffles me that anyone would say that Fallout 3 literally had no redeeming qualities. It's like some people want games to either be perfect or not exist. 
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precision posted:I don't want to get involved in an NMA debate but it baffles me that anyone would say that Fallout 3 literally had no redeeming qualities.
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Yet another Kickstarter.  This time for FMV Sherlock Holmes adventure games.Sherlock Holmes Consulting Detective Adventure Mysteries Ex-ICOM David Marsh holds the rights to the old ICOM adventures (like Shadowgate or Deja Vu), and he's looking into bring them back. They're starting with these FMV Sherlock Holmes games (supposedly it's an update of this), going back to the uncompressed footage to make the video high quality, and if there's enough funding, they'll do new episodes. For the minimum 9$ you get all 9 games for PC/Mac DRM-free.
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CrookedB posted:Yet another Kickstarter. For half a second I was filled with glee and hope that this was an update of the Infocom Sherlock Holmes game (which was fantastic, go play it now).
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CrookedB posted:Yet another Kickstarter. Hahaha, I adore me some old school gaming. But goddammit, I'm drawing the line at FMV games
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CrookedB posted:We really need a dedicated Kickstarter thread. I hope someone creates one. (Not me, though; I wouldn't be able to update the OP regularly enough.) What we really need is for these loving guys to space their Kickstarters out a bit more.
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Der Shovel posted:What we really need is for these loving guys to space their Kickstarters out a bit more. Why? They're up for more than a month. Should be more than enough time to back any and all projects you'd want to back. But yeah, we need a thread.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:Hahaha, I adore me some old school gaming. But goddammit, I'm drawing the line at FMV games The Consulting Detective games are barely interactive and full of terrible acting from the tray-loading, pre-MPC, even older than The 7th Guest stone age. As much as I'm not a fan of the other ICOM games and their screw-you-at-every-turn game design, I think he should have started with a Shadowgate or Deja Vu revival instead. Does he really think there's that much of a market for lukewarm Holmes?
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precision posted:For half a second I was filled with glee and hope that this was an update of the Infocom Sherlock Holmes game (which was fantastic, go play it now). Best Sherlock until Serrated Scalpel.
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What was the name of that free Flash-based, really detailed and awesome Victorian Detective game? I never did finish it and now I can't find it. I think there was a thread about it, but I don't have search and Google is giving me far more lovely games than I thought could possibly exist on one Internet.
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Rinkles posted:After the Kickstarter went live, though, it's become cRPG grognard hell incarnate. With all the creepy collateral that entails. There is one guy over there whose name is something like FalloutGod783 who has a picture of himself(?) as his avatar who literally goes into every thread he can find and trolls so hard that I cannot help but think he is, like, a hired professional (perhaps he is someone lurking in this thread and thinking "ahaha I bet I can ruin it for everybody!").
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Shadley Puffin posted:The Consulting Detective games are barely interactive and full of terrible acting from the tray-loading, pre-MPC, even older than The 7th Guest stone age. As much as I'm not a fan of the other ICOM games and their screw-you-at-every-turn game design, I think he should have started with a Shadowgate or Deja Vu revival instead. Does he really think there's that much of a market for lukewarm Holmes? Well, for what it's worth, here's a clarification (kind of, at least) that David Marsh has just posted on the RPGCodex: drmarsh posted:Hi all, thanks for posting about the games. I won't waste your time talking about why I'm making these Sherlock mysteries before my point-and-click ones (you can read that on the kickstarter site) but regardless of what happens on kickstarter, I'm going to move forward with them and then move on to Shadowgate, Deja Vu and designs for sequels that unfortunately never saw the light of day (drat you executives for making me work on SNES side scrollers!) So, we will see if the campaign gains momentum
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precision posted:What was the name of that free Flash-based, really detailed and awesome Victorian Detective game? I never did finish it and now I can't find it. I think there was a thread about it, but I don't have search and Google is giving me far more lovely games than I thought could possibly exist on one Internet. If I remember correctly it was a Jack the Ripper game that was an advertorial for something from the British Museum, but I'll be damned if I can remember what it was. Googling only turns up some horrible "play as jack the ripper" game, and the Sherlock Holmes vs. Jack the Ripper adventure game.
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The best Sherlock Holmes game is the one where Watson teleports behind you whenever you're not looking at him.
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I'd like you to meet my estimable colleague and friend Doctor John WatsAAAAAARGH
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I sip Hptoniq posted:The best Sherlock Holmes game is the one where Watson teleports behind you whenever you're not looking at him. http://youtu.be/13YlEPwOfmk Video evidence of Watson being hella creepy.
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So does this get to 1.5m? It's slowed down dramatically.
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Arzy posted:So does this get to 1.5m? It's slowed down dramatically. With a month to go. They need under 5k a day on average to make it, so yeah. It's pretty much impossible they don't do it.
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Quarex posted:Yeah, like, I remember feeling bad in the first several days of the forums that I was probably posting too much, since all I was really doing besides working on school was posting there--but since the Kickstarter went up, I do not even have close to enough time to engage with a fraction of the things going on. I am probably just going to keep an eye on the most egregiously offensive threads and try to help stop lunacy from spreading. SXX posted:
geezer posted:Moose Effect is like the game version of Sleepless in Seattle. Yes it really is that romantic. And insipid. Admitting that you like it is like admitting that you like eating out of garbage cans. And talking about the greatness of it here is like describing the delicious half-eaten can of cat food you found last night to an audience of gourmets and chefs. brutalizer posted:I suggest the Wasteland2 designers play Sims a while and tries to understand that game. Then maybe girls will be attracted to Wasteland2, too. FalloutGod13 posted:
TheFrankSinatra posted:In one of my favorite books, Doom (based on the game) the guy Flynn Taggart has to bui... Ahhhhhh!!! Where do these things come from!? To be fair, though, most of the posters have a some semblance of reasonableness, but there are some batshit insane/creepy fucks/complete idiots that make up for everyone else. And the fact that half of them have a poor handle on English just makes it all the more surreal.
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To be fair, the first Doom book is pretty good.
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Yes, it seems pretty unlikely to not get there. Brian Fargo talked about potentially doing a live finalé of the sort that Double Fine did; that was at least part of why they brought in another huge sum on the last day, so they could well break two million, who knows?!? I do remember back when I was worried that he was asking for $900,000, since that was the most anyone had ever sought via Kickstarter. "C'mon, Gill--close the deal, close the deal!" Fortunately, that has worked out pretty well after all. Edit: Hahaha, Rinkles, yeah. The hardest part is figuring out who is intentionally trolling and who is being totally serious--but it is probably safer if we just do not put much thought into who is who.
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quote:agreed upon and consensual form of intercourse  Arzy posted:So does this get to 1.5m? It's slowed down dramatically. They've been making $50k per day for the couple past days, so at this rate, $1.5M should be reached in a few days. Smol fucked around with this message at Mar 20, 2012 around 07:15 |
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CrookedB posted:Heh, it's an epidemic. Dead State, Brian Mitsoda's survival zombie RPG, is heading down the Kickstarter route as well: http://www.irontowerstudio.com/foru...pic,2482.0.html
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Rinkles posted:Ahhhhhh!!! Where do these things come from!? Nerdy hobbies are full of terrible guys with horrible views about women, minorities, society, etc etc etc. Everybody should say "gently caress you" to people like that.
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Rinkles posted:Ahhhhhh!!! Where do these things come from!? RPG Codex!
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Megazver posted:RPG Codex! Is that the site where the forums are just endless racism? I saw some RPG based forums a year or so back and was astounded how much racism there was there. Seriously, just wall to wall. They didn't even own up to it all, too. They all couched it in "It's cool, were enlightened so we can make jokes about niggers."
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Is that the site where the forums are just endless racism? I saw some RPG based forums a year or so back and was astounded how much racism there was there. Seriously, just wall to wall. The proper term is 'Grognard Stormfront'. But yes.
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It is pretty hard for us to complain about forums with enlightened ironic racism when we have a subforum where that exact thing is endorsed. Still, the important thing is, as of a couple of days ago at least, the official InXile forums still had (if the topics with polls are any indication) balances of like ~5:1 "people who want Wasteland 2" versus "people who want anime-styled graphics and realistic bonuses based on marriage and also please do not stop us from raping everyone in the game." So that is something!
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Quarex posted:anime-styled graphics and realistic bonuses based on marriage and also please do not stop us from raping everyone in the game. OK, I must admit, now I kind of want to see that game....
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Quarex posted:Still, the important thing is, as of a couple of days ago at least, the official InXile forums still had (if the topics with polls are any indication) balances of like ~5:1 "people who want Wasteland 2" versus "people who want anime-styled graphics and realistic bonuses based on marriage and also please do not stop us from raping everyone in the game." So that is something! The saner voices do seem to be wearing out, or at least the trolls are starting to lose interest while the people who give a poo poo about the game are patiently waiting them out.
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I went and added my two cents on most of the major weird stuff I could find.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:Hahaha, I adore me some old school gaming. But goddammit, I'm drawing the line at FMV games I would just like to point out that I'd give a potentially unlimited amount of money to a kickstarter for the never released Duelin' Firemen featuring Rudy Ray Moore, Mark Mothersbaugh, Steve Albini, Timothy Leary, Tony Hawk, and the Reverend Ivan Stang. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-WoGwRmUw GamePro posted:The Hype: Singing firemen. That's right, singing firemen. In this full-motion video outing, Air Force One crashes into the Sears Tower, setting all of Chicago ablaze. Emergency personnel have abandoned their posts, so it's up to the player, in the boots of the fire captain, to find "buildings that are not burning, where the captain and his crew quickly create an intricate dance accompaniment to the captain's musical selection of choice." If a rival brigade shows up in the same building, "Watch out! It's time for a hoedown!" To win the game, you have to score a contract with a Japanese record company.
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And we crawl past another milestone. $1,400,000.
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Yeah, $1.4 million and the most confusing FMV game in history? Sounds like another excellent evening for this thread. Bonds0097, what is your status, soldier?!?!
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Sawyer put down some thoughts on Kickstarter projects and the interaction of devs with fans.quote:Kickstarter and Fanvestor-Oriented Game Design I certainly agree sincere communication with the community is valuable, even as a benign form of marketing. Understanding the limitations and realities of development sets expectations in check, and fosters constructive criticism. The Wasteland 2 boards are littered with absurd proposals, but many of them are just the result of ignorance of how this stuff works. I have my suspicions as to whether someone demanding Crysis level graphics from a million dollar production can actually provide useful input - beyond the trolls, I am seriously curious who some of these people are; there are some things you'd expect an able minded adult to figure out for themselves - but there are others that might learn. That sort of fan investment will only result in more informed and ultimately more satisfied consumers of the game. It's just important to heavily filter the feedback, and have a strong conceptual core that's untouchable to outside influence. And I admire the amount of respect rope kid holds towards the consumers of his work. (Together with this Formspring reply, and Avellone's previous enthusiasm towards the idea, I hope these are the tell tale signs that one of these projects is brewing at Obsidian)
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That is an interesting read; I had not considered the fact that, by and large, the fans are just changing when they donate their money, and that is making all the difference. Yes, there are crazy people like myself and several others in this thread who donated more than they would pay for a normal game, or even a super-special edition of a game, but most of us also probably do not think we should magically get to decide how the game works (unless we donated enough to make it to the tier where they blatantly say "you get to be involved in a more substantial way, hooray!"). The inability to differentiate people with entirely unreasonable expectations from trolls is fortunately one that the developers do not probably have to worry much about, as they can basically ignore them the same (though Sawyer would point out that you should engage at least enough to say "well, I know you want it to look like Crysis, but here is why that is not possible"). I think my favorite example of someone who probably is being genuine but does not understand either the developmental limitations or the entire point of the game is the guy who made a thread saying "the most important thing is that all the dialogue is voiced, I don't want to go back to the days when I had to spend hours reading text instead of playing." Like, sure, it could be a troll, but it did not go over the top to insult old-school/western/non-sexually-abhorrent interests like a lot of trolls, it was just straightforward "hi, I want this game to be just like the games the publishers normally support and that are the reason Wasteland 2 has not existed previously, thanks!"
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Who likes graphs?!? YOU DO, YOU DO!!! Wish that kickstarter had this kind of stuff built in... there's probably some super complicated way (  ) of hosting the spreadsheet I made in 10 minutes, having it update once an hour, and letting people see the change in donations over time.Edit: I'm guessing that the $107,000 in "unrewarded donations" are mostly the result of overseas folks pledging their extra $15 for international shipping. That makes ~7100 overseas buyers...? That can't be right. Their must be some very large unrewarded donations. Quarex posted:I would also just like to make it clear that I would like to remind everyone that (through my own idiocy) I was mostly responsible for  . I didn't make it, oh no, I made the (poorly thought out) thread to try and make the 2008 smilie. And was made to make fun of that effort.My legacy is that of a truly stupid man. Edit 2: FWIW, these were my 2 ideas:  and 
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