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Tufty
May 21, 2006

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I bet the guys who made 8bitfunding are gutted that their gaming-only crowdfunding website never took off and they're not getting their 5% of Schafer's and Wasteland's millions.

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Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Andrigaar posted:

I wonder how their numbers compare to Desura, another alpha-funding and publishing site. Though Desura also has a community and an app/store. Xenonauts look to be over at Desura for the time being, and a few games have made their way to Steam after clawing their way to completion first.

Most likely terrible. The site launched sometime in the middle of last year I think and I don't recall them having any successes. Look at the popular and finished projects section and you'll see that none of them got 100% funding, and most of them got 0%. The vast majority of the games also seem to be babby's first Gamemaker pixel art platforming game.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Yeah, I think kickstarters all tend to have a final surge and that DFA's had one wasn't a fluke. Plenty of people want to contribute and prepurchase their copy of the game now but are unsure of what their money situation will be when the project ends and the money is taken. I know it's possible to pledge money and then retract it at any time but that's just what people do. Heck, I'm in the same boat. I'll be there on the day before it ends, pledging my $15 (or $65 if I can stretch to pay for the big box and cloth map + shipping).

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Personally, my game of choice for introducing someone to the sub-genre would be Arcanum. Yeah the combat isn't great, but with that balancing mod that makes tech an almost-equally viable choice as magic as well as pre knowledge of the bullshit Black Mountain Mines I'd suggest it over BG2 or Fallout. Just the theme, the world, the character development, all that good stuff.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Shogunner posted:

I wasn't old enough to play Wasteland 1, but it sounds like a really cool time killer of a game. If they make it similar to Diablo III but with a huge post-apocalyptic universe and not the top-down whatever that dude is suggesting, I will be totally excited.

Donated a buck anyways since I loved that Angry Birds joke.

The game you're looking for is Grim Dawn, not Wasteland 2.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Enslaved: Odyssey to the West has an aesthetic like that, only the enemies are the remnants of military robots that were involved in the war that caused the apocalypse.

quote:

The story is a re-imagining of the ancient Chinese story Journey to the West by Wu Cheng'en, one of the Four Great Classical Novels of China. Unlike the original story that was set in a fantastical version of ancient China, the game is set 150 years in a future post-apocalyptic world following a global war, with only remnants of humanity left, along with the still active war machines left over from the conflict.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Caves of Qud is a lush post-apocalyptic environment too. I think. It has lots of living plant enemies at least!

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Another sentient race (not derived from humans - ghouls and supermutants don't count) would be cool. Lizardmen or ant people or something. MOLE MEN MAYBE!!

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

How expensive was the Anno 1404 box set that came with seeds, a treasure chest, a compass, etc?

You can get it for as little as £18 on Amazon.co.uk now. It was similarly priced a year or so ago.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Has Notch tweeted or said anything about Wasteland 2?

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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evilmiera posted:

Well, they're technically true, but only if you limit yourself to these current days and what disposable income people who have kickstarter accounts have already spent on other projects. I guess they're afraid of everyone being in the spot I'm in, which is that I've spent tons of money I really shouldn't on various other interesting ideas. Meaning those people wouldn't be able to justify spending something on yet another cool but uncertain idea.

Which is where we'd differ, because how can I say no to more Shadowrun?

You do know you can contribute funding at any point before the project's end date? And failing that, simply buy the game outright after it's made. It's like complaining too many awesome games are getting released at once, except without the reasoning that if they'd been spread out you would have had stuff to play in the months before/after.

lordfrikk posted:

That is definitely true and I too would wish for them to space it at least month apart, but I think the original comment was referring to some global amount (what will happen if the money run out?).

And good news, kickstarters generally last for a month so you can just wait until the very end and pledge then!

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Even if they don't manage to hit 3 million I would be 100% fine with them coming out and saying after release "Hey guys we really want to release an awesome set of mod tools. We estimate it'll take us about 3 months of work to polish the development tools up and release a proper mod kit and so we need $200K to fund the studio and make up for money we lose out on by devoting development time to releasing a free mod kit so here is a Kickstarter for Wasteland 2: Ranger Centre Construction Kit".

This would have the side benefit of making all the people getting mad about kickstarters now going absolutely berserk.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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AxeManiac posted:

I do hate this notion of him waving stuff in people's faces like advance DLC.

Want to mod this game, well.... gimmie 3 million. We had a really cool story to put into the game, if only we had $25 more to put it in, oh well boys, scrap the (INTERNET TRENDING MEME) side quest! They don't want it because they won't pay for it.

Billy? Bobby? This would be hilarious if the creator of the game even forgot the name of the character. Lots of nerd cred will be lost today as everyone but apparently Quarex can't recall a single detail about Wasteland.

They're not holding features at ransom, they're outlining what more money is going to be used for. Like other people have said, there's been tons of questions asking what they're going to do with the extra funding, what they're going to do if it gets even more etc. They're setting hard limits like 2.5 and 3 million not because they're the be-all and end-all of particular features making it into the game but because it encourages more people to contribute and for the sake of clarity.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Category Fun! posted:

I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but there's a new $55 pledge tier that gives only the digital content for download, in case you want to avoid international shipping and VAT costs.

It's weird that they priced it at $5 more than than $50 one rather than $5 less. In the 50 dollar one they have to make and send you poo poo, but for 5 dollars extra they just have to email some stuff. Personally I'd rather cough up the extra $10 and pledge $65 and get the box and cloth map and stuff internationally.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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lordfrikk posted:

Pretty sure the statement you quoted was a sarcasm :v:

e: beaten; don't post stuff you forgot to post 12 hours ago :science:

Pretty sure the statement you quoted was sarcasm too. I think he's implying that Fallout 3 wasn't a game at all because it was so bad and that in his mind Bethesda had just developed and released an engine (Fallout 3) which Obsidian then used to release a game, a real sequel to Fallout 2 (Fallout: New Vegas).

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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It might not be a bad idea to try and raise $5K between us in order to get an SA statue in the game. If it worked for RPG Codex it'd work for us. I'm sure most of the people who contributed to their statue fund-raiser also threw in $15/$50 for their own personal copies of the game.

The game gets more money, we get a giant grenade statue in the game or something.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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AxeManiac posted:

We should find another way to do this, if I front the money, then get paypal back of anything over $500 I gotta report that as income on my taxes since kickstarter is not a donation, but a funding it can't be treated the same as a normal charity drive.

I just had a look on RPG Codex to find out how they did it. It seems they had people use their regular "Donate to RPG Codex" page with people filling out a box saying that their donation was for the Wasteland 2 kickstarter.

quote:

UPDATE: In time-honoured Codexian tradition, we need to make the developers regret this support this project. So, if we (that is, the Codex) can raise $5,000 before this offer expires (34 days to go), we'll donate all monies raised to the project with the intent on getting an appropriately Codexian location in Wasteland 2 - with a statue built in our honour! Simply donate to the Codex (button top-right) during the next month and let us know it's for Wasteland 2¹ (To make it easier, all donations this month will be taken for the project unless stated otherwise in the donation).

I guess the analog for SA would be for you to set up a Paypal and have the donations sent to it, and then when it reaches the goal you pledge it to Kickstarter. Would this run into the same tax issues that you fronting the money and then getting the equivalent sent to you has?

Edit: NMA apparently used this website: http://www.chipin.com/

quote:

We are using Paypal to raise the amount needed. In case we don't make the total, NMA will supplement from its own funds or reimburse people who donated. $150 has already generously been donated before I could even put up a widgit, so we have only $850 left to go. All money will be donated without any physical reward, so the full amount goes to development.

http://nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=61065

ChipIn looks like the best way to go. I don't think the widget can be embedded in the forum (maybe you can though AxeManiac?) but ChipIn lets you "create your own ChipIn page at yourname.chipin.com".

Tufty fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Apr 10, 2012

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Quarex posted:

I think there is still time to do this, has anyone actually ever used ChipIn? I am looking at it now and I cannot figure out how you would use it any differently than just using PayPal and having people send you money.

When I found it on NMA I assumed it worked sort of like Kickstarter, but after looking at it properly now it does just seem to be a frontend for sending Paypal to someone that keeps track of the amount sent before a set deadline. So we just need to know if AxeManiac is going to have tax problems from people sending him a ton of money through Paypal and ChipIn lets everybody track the amount sent. This is both convenient (doesn't require AxeManiac to post twice a day saying how much he's received so far) and increases trust, as well as giving it legitimacy, which should help to raise more donations.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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RagingBoner posted:


I think it'd be more successful if the Paypal was pointed at a mod's email address. I'm guessing the one you made is using your email, and I'm not questioning your character, but personally I'd be reluctant to send money to some random poster. There's nothing stopping the recipient taking the money and running, and $2,500 might be worth a permaban :) There's also the issue of privacy and sharing your email address through Paypal, which is less of an issue with mods and a non-issue if you use the same email for Paypal as you do for SA.

Tufty fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Apr 11, 2012

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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AxeManiac posted:

We can wait to gather the actual money, since I'd just buy the spot right now then work out paying it off later. I really don't want to get in trouble with the IRS, so I'm not eager to start throwing around large sums of money publicly!

When I get home tonight, I'll try to setup an account and see if I can personally set it up to collect back the money I would front.

If you post your email RagingBoner could set it up for you and you just have to activate it by clicking a link in the activation email - if you can access your personal email at work or wherever you are.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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RagingBoner posted:

When you say "let's", do you mean you're going to do it?

Also, if we can get the donation link stickied on all forums, we could blow the doors off $2,500. After all, everyone doesn't visit Games, but almost everyone wants goony poo poo to be referenced in other places.

A banner ad would be less intrusive.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Wouldn't the best $30 tier reward just be a copy of the game + beta access? You don't normally get that until $75, or $55 if you don't want the physical items so the difference between $30 and $55 would be "digital soundtrack, digital concept art book, episodic novella part 1 and 2". It says "premiere access to an early playable beta on Steam" for $55, so if they're worried about those people being upset that they could have gotten into the beta at $30 and downgrading then they could have the $30 people get access a month or two after those who get "premiere" access to the "early playable beta".

I can only afford $15, but I'd upgrade to $30 if it got me beta access at some point.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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We could maybe do with the title being changed to reflect the fact that the Obsidian goal has been blown out of the water and that the next big goal is mod tools at $3 million.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Saoshyant posted:

Yeah, well, I increased my pledge from $15 to $65 to get that sexy cloth map in a box. I'm sorry Quarex, but I like my kidneys. :shobon:

Yeah, I just did this too :X Really hoping it hits 3 million - just for the sake of it as much as for the guaranteed mod tools. Kind regretting using Paypal because I won't have access to the backer only updates on Kickstarter but oh well.

RagingBoner, count me in for $65 please :)

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Time to edit your OP, Quarex :)

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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We're on to you, Ragingboner. This is a scam just like the one that Axemaniac pulled! You bought 50 t-shirts of varying sizes and now you're trying to scam innocent goons into paying for your buyer's remorse.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Rebel Blob posted:

Here you go, compelling stuff.

There's also Why is Games Forum Mod AxeManiac pushing his buyers remorse onto everyone? in Questions, Comments, Suggestions.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Quarex posted:

Mods please lock HondaCivet's account; she will not be needing it anymore.

Anyway, it is because I am Brian Fargo.

(No, it more has to do with the fact that my name is in larger print in the middle of that shirt, and someone assumed I made it. No worries, I explained that if I had made it, my name would have been socialistically identical in size to others' and not necessarily anywhere near the middle!)

it is pretty awesome that it is in the middle though

"No Mrs. Fargo, I'm sorry to tell you that I didn't make the shirts your husband tweeted so I can't send you one to give to him. They were made by a guy named RagingBoner" :v:

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Kharmakazy posted:

No. The cataclysm began. Engineers took over a prison and kicked the prisoners out. They interacted with other communities, and fought off the prisoners trying to take the prison back. It came to be known as "Ranger Center" and "one of the strongest outposts".

Then for some reason they thought they were the only ones who survived.

Woah, holy poo poo you're right! I wish I didn't give those idiots any money now :mad:

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Did Wasteland allow mutant powers as a character progression option? I really like how Caves of Qud (a post-apocalyptic roguelike that's REALLY worth your time. Thread here) handles it. You could be a regular guy, say a melee brawler type character but you could also choose to spend some of your experience points on a mutation that gives you 4 arms. You might lose out on some unarmed fighting skill points, or some strength stats, but you'd be able to wield 4 different weapons at once! You could decide to be a gunslinger, but if you wanted to you could mix in an ESP ability that lets you sense where enemies are through walls (handy to avoid walking around a corner into a ton of enemies at close range). If you wanted to you could skip melee or ranged skills entirely and just be a mutant, spending your points on gaining defensive and offensive mutations: be a bug-man unarmed fighter with a carapace mutation, extra arms, ability to eat corpses; be a physically frail psychic monstrosity with the ability to attack an enemy's mind, create mirror images of yourself, shoot fire out of your hands and open a damaging vortex that also transports enemies elsewhere (or yourself if you go through it).

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Mordaedil posted:

Just got my shirt along with... A cent? :confused:

Pretty sure it's coated in anthrax and you're dead now.

RIP

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Stop it! You guys are making me want to play a MUD.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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randoark posted:

HOLY CRAP

I wish I had bookmarked this thread. I saw this Kickstarter a month ago (via SA), was amazed that such a thing would exist (like everyone else here, Wasteland is one of my favorite games of all time). I made a $50 donation, threw in a couple posts about how I want my MULE kickstarter next and then bonked on this.


I'm just gonna leave this here for you...

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1547218311/alpha-colony-a-tribute-to-mule

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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RagingBoner posted:

That seems like enough people. Since most of you are international, how about this: I take your $20 for the buckles right before I place the order, then when I am ready to ship I'll take a separate payment for shipping. It'll be more fair that way.

I'll let the guy know I'm ready to see a prototype.

You should just do a Kickstarter for it. Set the lowest tier so that it equals how much each one will cost and ask people to add however much for shipping to their location. Set the Kickstarter goal at cost per buckle x how many people you need to buy one for them to each cost the price you set it at (I think you said 20 people at $20 per buckle, so $400 goal). Kickstarter can be used for big budget things like W2 but also for little projects like this :)

I wonder if they have an option to make a Kickstarter private so that it can only be seen by people with the link.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Synastren posted:

Something screwy is going on. Check Brian Fargo's twitter.

InXile and Wasteland 2 isn't connected to OnLive in any way, is it? It looks like he's just retweeting it, or tweeting about what's going on with OnLive or whatever the dumb twitter terminology is.

Tufty
May 21, 2006

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RagingBoner posted:

Funnily enough, there is one left, but that's because I lost the shipping info on what person bought it. So it's been paid for, but I can't figure out by whom.

We'll give it a month or so for that person to speak up, and then I'll sell it to you.

So somebody has paid you for it, and if they don't claim it in a month you'll keep their money and sell it on to somebody else? :/ Can't you work out who hasn't been sent theirs in any way?

Might be worth emailing everybody who bought one asking them if they got theirs rather than just posting here.

Tufty fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Mar 12, 2013

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Tufty
May 21, 2006

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Why is your toaster so greasy? (or wet?)

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