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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Thanks for responding! If I had to vote for a solution, I'd either suggest Pierzak's "one LT for every 300 points" solution, or if that's far too annoying, only allowing one LT every 6 months. That'd put Infinity at roughly the same HQ/Lord ratio as 40K or Warmachine I think. I'm of the opinion that Infinity just doesn't get the option of claiming the LT as an HQ/Lord for three reasons: 1) It's three models in a month. Come on. 2) You can make a lot of different models LT's, it's not as dedicated a thing as it is in other games. 3) You should be hiding your LT by painting every model in your army as nice as him anyway. You want to be in Loss on turn 1 because your opponent goes "well, that's easy enough, we'll just shoot the pretty one?" 
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Fix posted:I'm of the opinion that Infinity just doesn't get the option of claiming the LT as an HQ/Lord for three reasons: 40K players can also paint 3 miniatures a month, and then paint an HQ another month, but fair enough! Fix posted:2) You can make a lot of different models LT's, it's not as dedicated a thing as it is in other games. My LTs are usually ghulams kicking it with some buds, so I totally see your point (it's why I raised it in the first place). Oh well, guess I'll just manhandle the Janissary during a month where I oath some terrain.
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2 rules questions: 1. "Medium-large" models. Ogres, bikers, those little ork dreads (killer kans?), etc. Larger than big 28 mm infantry but smaller than a dragon. What do they count as? 2. Bases. Do they count as an integral element of the mini? They didn't last time, we had people posting painting minis with primed bases and claiming oaths fulfilled. Is this OK in this thread as well? What about the reverse - for my Infinity army I prepare the bases separately, usually before the models themselves. Could I submit an assembled-primed model with a finished/painted base, if the above examples are still allowed?
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I feel like bases shouldn't be factored in because it can get pretty complicated - with this open to basically any miniature, there are probably a ton of ranges/options that don't have typical bases or something. I mean, I know that some Reaper stuff basically just doesn't have bases at all, and I'm sure there are similar historicals/etc where it doesn't really apply.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Valid opinions and questions The problem with the open-system format we have going on is that it won't synch up with every system. We knew this getting into it, and we said "gently caress it, do it anyways!" While we can't start making case-by-case exceptions, for obvious reasons, we'll make sure that whatever it is you want to paint can get painted, and will be scored appropriately. This will be an endeavor on both sides: we're gonna work with all of you guys on most things to get this running. It'll be a little rough, but I wanted every single model ever the chance to be shown and showcased in this thread, and not just gaming stuff either. First person to buy and oath the Drag-u-la kit from the Munsters will earn my eternal respect. But if you want to do something a bit more serious, like a Luftwaffe fighter or what-have-you, that is also acceptable.
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Bases should count if they're a part of the model or regularly a part of that model range. If I had to judge an Ogryn for quality and technique and it was on a primed base with drybrush marks where the foot paint went, I'd have a hard time just pretending it wasn't there. On a similar token, if a model is on a wicked awesome base where he's clearly halfway across a bridge and fighting a balrog and there's captured slaves beneath him and so on, I'd have a hard time just judging the guy that was oathed. I'd say that anything you submit should count, and if your model is on a base you submitted that base. I'd then go on to suggest the Golden Demon rule of no plinths or pedestals, because those are goofy pandering crap. I can't imagine anyone here actually trying it though. That's resumes on scented paper bullshit.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Pierzak posted:2 rules questions: 1) "Dreadnought sized" is about the minimum size for a large unit. Bikers, terminators, and such would go in 'average'. Attack bikes and Killa Kans would be large. I haven't seen much of the new ogre line in person, but are ogre units varied sizes? I think some of the smaller ones would be average, but I wouldn't be surprised if some belong in large. A size comparison pic for something you'd consider large would help. 2) We are giving 1 point for finished bases like in previous years. Units that don't come with a base (which are rare) or vehicles get this point for free. If you were going to work on your bases, I would do it after the WIP pic. Having a bare plastic model on a flocked and painted base in your WIP pic goes against it's purpose a bit too much for my liking. thiswayliesmadness fucked around with this message at Mar 17, 2012 around 01:40 |
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 About plinths: If you really want to make one, go ahead, but the model itself, if it is meant for gaming purposes, must be able to be removed from the plinth in a state that is considered to be "use-ready." This is the same rule that GW has for their plinths, and I like it for two reasons:1) I'm not judging a block of wood that you sanded down and stained. I understand wanting to elevate art, and that's perfectly fine: I also would like to point out that we don't judge the frame on a Monet when we look critically at his art. 2) It still gives you the option of artistic elevation, which is wonderful for display purposes, and allows our friend who do not have bases to their models the option to attach a solid board to the landing gear on a plane, for example.
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| # ? Mar 17, 2012 01:41 |
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Ooh, this'll be my first oath thread. Looking forward to churning out space mans to be judged by people on the internet
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Prize Update! Finally got to hear what was in that box waiting in Toronto: A new Grand Prize!!! Fantasy Flight Games: They did a big donation that'll be great for people wanting to try Dust Tactics! One Grand Prize winner will walk away with a Dust Tactics Revised Core Set, a Heavy Panzer Walker Expansion and a Heavy Assault Panzer Expansion.
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That's awesome! I've always been interested in Dust. This year is gonna rule.
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thiswayliesmadness posted:
You must be one sliver toungued devil to get all these sweet donations. Good work.
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Excellent work setting things up guys. And a big thanks to the sponsors, some really great stuff from a lot of companies. Question, will you be advertising this continuing mission on other hobby forums this year ?
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Awesome. I've finally decided to get off my rear end and build/paint my Flames of War Italians, and now I can oath them? I cannot wait to have a basement full of painted Bersaglieri. Also, it says '5 models' for Small/15mm. When painting something like infantry, are you talking 5 individual people or like five FoW bases? If the former, that's like one team/one base for Germans and Russians. Also, do FoW models on a large base count as "average" (like my American 155s)? Do tanks/vehicles still get the bump up in "size"? I can imagine if you mean like Shermans or the such, but I've also got Tankettes and AS37 Autosahariana trucks.
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SRM posted:That's awesome! I've always been interested in Dust. This year is gonna rule. Yes it is! 
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Edit:/\/\/\/\/\ I love that massive tank of theirs (which is part of the grand prize). The hardest part of getting all this awesome prize support is going to be letting it go. Wyrd sending me an entire Criid crew with her avatar was such a tease since that's exactly what I wanted to get next.Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Excellent work setting things up guys. And a big thanks to the sponsors, some really great stuff from a lot of companies. I have a banner for SA in the gears, and Fyrbrand's giving us some coverage on Fresh Coast 40k, but I hadn't really planned on advertising elsewhere. Getting more press for our sponsors is always a great thing, but don't some people complain a lot about the $10 account bit? I don't see much harm if people want to blurb about it elsewhere as long as it doesn't violate any ToS or such. YF19pilot posted:Awesome. I've finally decided to get off my rear end and build/paint my Flames of War Italians, and now I can oath them? I cannot wait to have a basement full of painted Bersaglieri. All you'd have to do is 5 individual people for 15mm. The minimums are pretty easy this year so I'm hoping to see some amazing paint jobs as a result. Since most of the artillery and other stuff on the large bases comes with a lot of crew n' such, I'll let that count as average. All your tanks and vehicles will get the bump up to average, even your trucks and tankettes (I learned a new thing today!). They don't seem so small that they wouldn't get the bump up, and it wouldn't really be fair otherwise considering I'm letting your large artillery be upsized. thiswayliesmadness fucked around with this message at Mar 17, 2012 around 05:40 |
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Pulling my unpainted space barbies out to get ready to paint. One tiny, tiny part of what is yet to come:  I'm stupidly excited. I can't wait for the end of the month to come. 
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OK guys I know some of the folks from the previous oath thread have probably abandoned it by now. But if you had one or more failed oaths last year, you still have till the end of March to complete them and qualify for the '11/'12 season Leperflesh's Second Chance prizes. I finally got around to posting the current entries and there's only five or possibly six. For two prizes. This means your odds are pretty great! Obviously the best thing is to finish your oaths, but I'm hoping this year there's more interest in going back and completing failed oaths too. I know it can feel like you just have a growing backlog of half-painted stuff (I have three unfinished chariots and ten unfinished tomb guard right now that are both failed oaths) but better late than never! And maybe prizes.
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Tadhg posted:Pulling my unpainted space barbies out to get ready to paint. gently caress yeah, son.  Get busy oathing, or get busy dying.
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 HOLY poo poo I'm going to be busy this year with judging!! I can't wait to see all the awesome work you guys are going to do!
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looks like April is when I start my brazen minotaurs
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Leperflesh posted:OK guys I know some of the folks from the previous oath thread have probably abandoned it by now. But if you had one or more failed oaths last year, you still have till the end of March to complete them and qualify for the '11/'12 season Leperflesh's Second Chance prizes. This is why this thread is perfect for me. I started in previous oaths painting 28mm stuff that could count as WHFB, but then I would get into 6mm historicals, or warmachine or whatever for a while, and the things I painted wouldn't qualify. Now it is all oathing, all the time. Sweet.
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Fix posted:gently caress yeah, son. Only one Haqqislam blister!  Seriously, these prizes are awesome, and you're awesome for setting it up!
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Tadhg posted:One tiny, tiny part of what is yet to come: Fix posted: Still, I'm not likely to win anything given the level of my painting and of others' here.(ed: just noticed the Kurgat autocannon. You're awesome.)
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Regarding bases and points for them, what about clear bases and (clear) flying stands etc? I know alot of people hate how GW flying stands look and prefer to base them too, but I personally like them and keep them as-is for transport so I don't get a poo poo-ton of gravel and static grass gunking up my army transport.
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The bases thing is going to make it interesting for me, at least. I usually do the bases of an army in one fell swoop, but this time I will have to do them model by model. I guess I can just assemble the models, blutack them to a lid for painting, paint the bases seperately, glue them together.
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This is gonna be my first Oath thread, I can't wait! I've got loads of Orks to paint and also the beginnings of a Salamander 'house army' so I'm plenty stocked on models.
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Pierzak posted:We're sorry, hope you get better (and paint those abominations into something resembling actual minis. 2nd ed. minis suck.) Those... um... those aren't the prizes. Those are just what I plan to paint over the coming months. I saw Tadhg's box-o-grots and, uh... 
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Pierzak posted:We're sorry, hope you get better (and paint those abominations into something resembling actual minis. 2nd ed. minis suck.) poo poo, son- these are all eventually going to be the ballingest converted wind-up cyber-grots you ever did see. They need to be the same because that's how the factorkry churns then out. (Although I think I actually only have around 100 or so of them... Gotta get more so I can paint a full 180 for a tide of little tin grots.) And Fix, it's real swell of you to be putting your models up as prizes like that.
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Goddamnit I just got three rhinos to paint for a commission. I really wanted to get them when this started so I could oath them >: | Now I'm going to have to forgo sleeping or something so I can paint these tanks and get in on the oathing. I refuse to miss a month.
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| # ? Mar 17, 2012 17:59 |
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Just forge the photos, I'm sure they won't mind.
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Tadhg posted:poo poo, son- these are all eventually going to be the ballingest converted wind-up cyber-grots you ever did see. They need to be the same because that's how the factorkry churns then out.
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After totally dropping out of oathing in the middle of last year I guess it's time to start up again, especially since now I can just oath whatever the gently caress from my piles of unpainted stuff and don't have any particular tournament armies to finish. Go time!
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Sorry if I'm being dumb, but on the model size front, would a single Eldar support weapon count as an average entry or a large ? It's two 28mm men crewing a gun platform.
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If Ogryn are average then that thing clearly is too.
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I don't have a picture of all the Infinity blisters up (since I'd like to do those mostly random), but the box sets up for grabs in the quarterly events are here. But if Fix really wants to donate his, I guess I can just hold onto these...Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Sorry if I'm being dumb, but on the model size front, would a single Eldar support weapon count as an average entry or a large ? It's two 28mm men crewing a gun platform. The reason I let the FoW artillery count as one higher is because all the crew and gubbins come together on one base, and seperate bases at that scale can get tedious moving. The nice thing with artillery like that eldar one is that every crew that is not part of the artillery model itself, counts as a separate model for your minimum count. So that piece would give you 2 models towards your 3 minimum. An ork artillery that has it's two gretchin crew separate from the kannon would be your 3 minimum right there. If the Eldar guy sitting in that gun was on his own base (in a way that wouldn't look ridiculous), he'd count as his own individual model as well. This way painting your entire artillery piece and crew will practically count as it being one larger. If an average scale unit comes with a base smaller than 60mm, it won't likely fit in the large category either. thiswayliesmadness fucked around with this message at Mar 17, 2012 around 23:41 |
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No... I'm not... I was just... I wasn't... I was going to paint.... stop it. 
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Fix posted:No... I'm not... I was just... I wasn't... I was going to paint.... stop it. Sorry, you just donated your miniatures; the group has spoken.
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Indolent Bastard posted:Sorry, you just donated your miniatures; the group has spoken. Next on the block: his Vostroyans!
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Man I was gonna oath my razorwing but I already painted the two base colors on there, I might just oath something else instead of cheaply painting the purple parts blue for no reason.
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