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BAD AT STUFF
May 10, 2012

We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because fuck you.

Nintendo Kid posted:

Then you're using a browser with malware in all likelihood and should fix that first.



Do you really write checks without writing out the words of the number?

I was taught to write the words, put the .00, draw a line through the rest of the word and number field, and write "Please don't steal all my money" as the memo.

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Doorknob Slobber
Sep 10, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Mimetic posted:

I was taught to write the words, put the .00, draw a line through the rest of the word and number field, and write "Please don't steal all my money" as the memo.

You should literally scribble out the rest of the check just in case imo.

Heatwizard
Nov 6, 2009

Also, the box on the back that says 'do not write here' is a typo, so make sure to sign it.

SHARTING BEAR
Sep 27, 2004

Mimetic posted:

I was taught to write the words, put the .00, draw a line through the rest of the word and number field, and write "Please don't steal all my money" as the memo.

almost correct, cents should be represented as a fraction and the "don't steal my money" part should be an emoji.

BAD AT STUFF
May 10, 2012

We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because fuck you.

SHARTING BEAR posted:

almost correct, cents should be represented as a fraction and the "don't steal my money" part should be an emoji.

oh gently caress, I forgot about the fraction bit.

Araenna
Dec 27, 2012




Lipstick Apathy

Mimetic posted:

oh gently caress, I forgot about the fraction bit.

And if it's 00 cents, do it as xx/100, or they could put a 1 in front of the 00 and get an extra dollar!

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Who the gently caress uses checks?

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Andrast posted:

Who the gently caress uses checks?

Americans, for some reason.

your evil twin
Aug 23, 2010

"What we're dealing with...
is us! Those things look just like us!"

"Speak for yourself, I couldn't look that bad on a bet."

MikeJF posted:

Americans, for some reason.

But I'm guessing Andrast is American too since he called them checks rather than cheques. So... yeah.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


your evil twin posted:

But I'm guessing Andrast is American too since he called them checks rather than cheques. So... yeah.

I'm actually Finnish, I just used the same spelling other people in the conversation used. I have never even seen a check/cheque except in some American media.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




A real answer is that cheques persisted a lot longer in America because their banking system is a comparatively uncontrolled clusterfuck as well as having a much larger number of banks than most countries due to its size. Whereas in all the other countries the fewer banks all sat down/were encouraged to sit down by the government and come up with reliable free universal electronic transfer and payment systems much, much earlier. Thus cheques went the way of the donkey and some countries in Europe have now gotten rid of them as an option entirely.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Aug 28, 2014

Shalinor
Jun 10, 2002

Can I buy you a rootbeer?
If it's any consolation, no one in the US thinks much of them either, and anywhere I have to pay with them (Costco) feels like stepping back in time 20 years.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Shalinor posted:

If it's any consolation, no one in the US thinks much of them either, and anywhere I have to pay with them (Costco) feels like stepping back in time 20 years.

I'm just shocked there are places that still take cheques.

The weirdest thing for me as a Canadian visiting and working in the States was the lack of debit cards. Cash / cheques / credit.

Anyway how bout them kickstarted games?

Great Rumbler
Jan 30, 2013

For I am a dog, you see.
I'm proud to say that I have never used a check [except for a couple of times where I had to use one of my parents' checks for something]. Debit card all the way, baby.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007

Jordan7hm posted:

I'm just shocked there are places that still take cheques.

The weirdest thing for me as a Canadian visiting and working in the States was the lack of debit cards. Cash / cheques / credit.

Anyway how bout them kickstarted games?

Many places here don't specify that they accept debit, but since most debit cards are just Visa/MC cards (at least here) they are generally accepted the same places credit cards are, and in the same way. "Credit card" is often used as a generic term here that includes debit cards.

Yodzilla
Apr 29, 2005

Now who looks even dumber?

Beef Witch
I've had to write checks for random payments for things but it's seriously like three a year.



e: also old people love paying their utilities with them

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound
Yeah, I use checks for paying odd-job repairmen. Also once a year there's a homeowner's association fee. That's about it.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Imagined posted:

Many places here don't specify that they accept debit, but since most debit cards are just Visa/MC cards (at least here) they are generally accepted the same places credit cards are, and in the same way. "Credit card" is often used as a generic term here that includes debit cards.

Debit cards here are different from credit, and it's only recently started to change with Visa/MC Debit.

And yeah I still write cheques for rent or paying for my kid's daycare or whatever. I'm just surprised when there are stores that accept them.

how me a frog
Feb 6, 2014
I thought checks persisted in the us cause it is not unheard of for people to not have a bank aacount and very few companies do payroll with cash?

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

how me a frog posted:

I thought checks persisted in the us cause it is not unheard of for people to not have a bank aacount and very few companies do payroll with cash?

The check cashing and payday loan lobbyists have their fingers up the butts of too many politicians to let checks die.

But that's a fair reason, too, yeah.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

It looks like Red Thread Games realized that holding a music contest for Dreamfall was a bad idea and cancelled it. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/redthread/dreamfall-chapters-the-longest-journey/posts/966368?ref=dash

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

IShallRiseAgain posted:

It looks like Red Thread Games realized that holding a music contest for Dreamfall was a bad idea and cancelled it. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/redthread/dreamfall-chapters-the-longest-journey/posts/966368?ref=dash

had they just paid the winners some paltry amount it would have been a fair things.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006
Moon Hunters just reached their goal on their second(?) day. And if they double the money, they'll do the console versions and online co-op on PC and MAC. (They already have local co-op.

Back it, it's a tres mignon co-op action RPG.











Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



"King of Dragon Pass + Gauntlet" does sound appealing...

Has anybody played their previous game to give an opinion on it?

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

MikeJF posted:

A real answer is that cheques persisted a lot longer in America because their banking system is a comparatively uncontrolled clusterfuck as well as having a much larger number of banks than most countries due to its size. Whereas in all the other countries the fewer banks all sat down/were encouraged to sit down by the government and come up with reliable free universal electronic transfer and payment systems much, much earlier. Thus cheques went the way of the donkey and some countries in Europe have now gotten rid of them as an option entirely.

It's also that we standardized and greatly sped up check handling during the 60s-80s with incremental improvements since then. So checks will clear within a few days tops here while I'm to understand that in other countries they can easily take a week or more. Hell, many stores in the US that take checks have scanning machines now that can read the information off the check and effectively process it as an instantaneous debit transaction (still, it's very rare to see even old people use checks at the register these days).

Like despite the number of banks, standardization of checks and processing them has been locked down by a few interlocking automated clearing houses, one of which is straight up government run.


Megazver posted:

Moon Hunters just reached their goal on their second(?) day. And if they double the money, they'll do the console versions and online co-op on PC and MAC. (They already have local co-op.

Back it, it's a tres mignon co-op action RPG.













I'm liking this style. If they continue to put more preview stuff up before the campaign ends I'll probably end up buying in.

Nintendo Kid fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Aug 28, 2014

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe
So, out of nothing other than vicarious curiousity and having a very minor run-in with the developer when I stated that I thought it was overly ambitious, I'm interested in the progress of Skyjacker

This was the initial kickstarter that failed;
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/digitilus/al-skyjacker

They followed this up with the starship Constructor project that got funded;
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/digitilus/skyjacker-starship-constructor

Then tried to start up the original kickstarter again, which again failed;
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/digitilus/skyjacker-space-combat-sim

They managed to hit greenlight;
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=184306161

But it's all gone quiet since the end of 2013, with the release deadline being third quarter 2014. Anyone know how it's progressing?

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Megazver posted:

Moon Hunters just reached their goal on their second(?) day. And if they double the money, they'll do the console versions and online co-op on PC and MAC. (They already have local co-op.

Back it, it's a tres mignon co-op action RPG.













That looks amazing :3:

SupSuper
Apr 8, 2009

At the Heart of the city is an Alien horror, so vile and so powerful that not even death can claim it.

Hav posted:

So, out of nothing other than vicarious curiousity and having a very minor run-in with the developer when I stated that I thought it was overly ambitious, I'm interested in the progress of Skyjacker

This was the initial kickstarter that failed;
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/digitilus/al-skyjacker

They followed this up with the starship Constructor project that got funded;
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/digitilus/skyjacker-starship-constructor

Then tried to start up the original kickstarter again, which again failed;
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/digitilus/skyjacker-space-combat-sim

They managed to hit greenlight;
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=184306161

But it's all gone quiet since the end of 2013, with the release deadline being third quarter 2014. Anyone know how it's progressing?
It's progressing very slowly, given they have barely secured any funding, so I doubt they'll hit that release. But they still post signs of life in their forums: http://www.digitilus.com/forum/index.php?action=forum

So far they've only released an old demo and some starship constructor alphas.

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

SupSuper posted:

It's progressing very slowly, given they have barely secured any funding, so I doubt they'll hit that release. But they still post signs of life in their forums: http://www.digitilus.com/forum/index.php?action=forum

Yeah, given that the last developer post was April 2014 and they appear to be moving from the Ukraine to the US, I think it's largely dead. I was just wondering if anyone had actually backed any of it, or had any more insider information.

Kenshin
Jan 10, 2007
I did. Haven't seen any updates in a while.

GhostBoy
Aug 7, 2010

IShallRiseAgain posted:

It looks like Red Thread Games realized that holding a music contest for Dreamfall was a bad idea and cancelled it. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/redthread/dreamfall-chapters-the-longest-journey/posts/966368?ref=dash

I'm interested in probing the SA hivemind on this one. Mostly because I don't understand the fuss.

There are plenty of instances of people trying to scam creators of music into working for free. This is known.

There are, thankfully, also a lot of the scamees that make a fuss about it. This is good. People should not be bullied into working for free to get publicity.

But how, besides the usual argument of "the internet peoples being stupid", does that impact a fan competition? I struggle to see how this is not just the developer doing a cool thing for the fans (ala Blizzard putting a novelty NPC in WoW). Would it be different if they asked for fan *art* (of which the net abound) rather than fan music?

GhostBoy fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Aug 28, 2014

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Nintendo Kid posted:

It's also that we standardized and greatly sped up check handling during the 60s-80s with incremental improvements since then. So checks will clear within a few days tops here while I'm to understand that in other countries they can easily take a week or more. Hell, many stores in the US that take checks have scanning machines now that can read the information off the check and effectively process it as an instantaneous debit transaction (still, it's very rare to see even old people use checks at the register these days).

Like despite the number of banks, standardization of checks and processing them has been locked down by a few interlocking automated clearing houses, one of which is straight up government run.

Last week was my first time using my bank's "take a picture of your check and deposit it without even putting your pants on" app. It cleared within an hour.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

how me a frog posted:

I thought checks persisted in the us cause it is not unheard of for people to not have a bank aacount and very few companies do payroll with cash?

Not to mention even if you have a bank account being able to use a card requires a certain amount of credit. I don't, so mine has a $500 daily limit on transactions and I either have to use a check or walk into a bank to do a transfer/get a money order/walk out with an envelope of cash for anything that costs more than $500.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

UberJew posted:

Not to mention even if you have a bank account being able to use a card requires a certain amount of credit. I don't, so mine has a $500 daily limit on transactions and I either have to use a check or walk into a bank to do a transfer/get a money order/walk out with an envelope of cash for anything that costs more than $500.

Or you could call your bank to arrange an authorization. That limit is there because otherwise some dude who swiped your card could just drain your account no problem.

illectro
Mar 29, 2010

:jeb: ROCKET SCIENCE :jeb:

Hullo, I'm Scoot Moonbucks.
Please stop being surprised by this.
I loved Lunar Flight it was beautiful atmospheric and also one of the first games to really do VR well.
Now the developer has recruited some staff and launched a kickstarter for ZVR Apocalypse - which is a VR zombie shooter, I can only hope it's halfway as immersive as Lunar Flight was.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/746952885/zvr-apocalypse

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

illectro posted:

I loved Lunar Flight it was beautiful atmospheric and also one of the first games to really do VR well.
Now the developer has recruited some staff and launched a kickstarter for ZVR Apocalypse - which is a VR zombie shooter, I can only hope it's halfway as immersive as Lunar Flight was.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/746952885/zvr-apocalypse



Wonder where that came from :cheeky:

Lets! Get! Weird!
Aug 18, 2012

Black King Bazinga

Megazver posted:

Moon Hunters just reached their goal on their second(?) day. And if they double the money, they'll do the console versions and online co-op on PC and MAC. (They already have local co-op.


Oh cool a four minute trailer oh super cool it's three minutes of talking about the game.

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer

GhostBoy posted:

I'm interested in probing the SA hivemind on this one. Mostly because I don't understand the fuss.

There are plenty of instances of people trying to scam creators of music into working for free. This is known.

There are, thankfully, also a lot of the scamees that make a fuss about it. This is good. People should not be bullied into working for free to get publicity.

But how, besides the usual argument of "the internet peoples being stupid", does that impact a fan competition? I struggle to see how this is not just the developer doing a cool thing for the fans (ala Blizzard putting a novelty NPC in WoW). Would it be different if they asked for fan *art* (of which the net abound) rather than fan music?

I don't think Red Thread floated the idea with nefarious intentions, but rather a misunderstanding of the relationship between companies and creators that's been evolving for a while. I just kind of winced when I heard about it, because I knew nothing good would come of it.

Short and simple: They were asking creators to work for free. It was a competition to work for free, even. The T&C, as repeated in this thread, indicates that Red Thread would have had rights to use the material, in perpetuity, for free. That's why people's hackles got up over it. Prior to a few years ago, it would have flown by without a blink because people still bought into being paid in 'exposure', and the idea that companies were their chums. Now, not so much. If they'd offered a token sum, or a free upgrade to a high-tier pledge to the winner, that probably would have gone over a whole lot better.

You can bet your bippy that if Blizz started using fan art for advertising, the CCGs or whatever, people would get pissed fast-- both the pros that they'd be doing an end-run around, and the people whose work they were poaching. They could probably still get away with a clause in their featured fan-art submission process claiming free use etc, because of the sheer size of the fanbase, but it would raise the same kind of stink among the savvier ones when it came to light.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Bieeardo posted:

You can bet your bippy that if Blizz started using fan art for advertising, the CCGs or whatever, people would get pissed fast-- both the pros that they'd be doing an end-run around, and the people whose work they were poaching. They could probably still get away with a clause in their featured fan-art submission process claiming free use etc, because of the sheer size of the fanbase, but it would raise the same kind of stink among the savvier ones when it came to light.
Didn't that Wii Sonic Racing game already do this, except they didn't tell anyone they were using some fanart they found on Deviantart on the banners around the racetracks?

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Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

Lets! Get! Weird! posted:

Oh cool a four minute trailer oh super cool it's three minutes of talking about the game.

You should just calm down because it's literally a minute+ first of seeing the game in action. Jeez.

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