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Basic Chunnel posted:Maybe out-in-the-open slugfests were never that great. This is the phrase that needs to be emblazoned on the wall of every RPG developer's studio.
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mycot posted:Did the opinion on Wasteland 2 go sour really fast or something, because I've seen it mentioned as an example of an unsatisfying/disappointing KS game a few times now. it turns out that what brian fargo was so vehemently and needlessly fighting against the Oh So Hated Publishers to make was a third-rate Fallout clone with boring characters grafted onto a third-rate X-COM clone with easy and boring combat combined with the most byzantine and pointlessly obtuse levelling system ever there's literally no point in playing it when everything, everything it does another game does better. it isn't unique or distinguishing at all and on top of that it's kind of ugly it's kind of mind-boggling to think that it's not even the best third-person top down turn-based strategy rpg funded on kickstarter that was released this year. not even the second-best if you consider shadowrun to have been released "This year" with dragonfall Wasteland 2 redefines the word "mediocre". it's almost stunning how mediocre in every aspect it is
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All I got out of that is that you think it's "stunning". Edit: "Wasteland 2... It's.. stunning..." -Toxxupation
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Speaking of Harebrained Schemes and Shadowrun: HBS have just announced that they will return for a new Shadowrun Kickstarter in January 2015 - there are no details. I am impressed, I think this is their fourth time going to this they try to Kickstart something, and while I did not back their two last campaigns, I might just do it this time. I do love me some Shadowrun.
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Dec 16, 2014 20:40
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Yeah, Dragonfall was really, really good, much better than the Seattle campaign they launched Shadowrun Returns with. I'm interested to see what they're going to do.
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Dec 16, 2014 20:42
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"Shadowrun returns to Kickstarter January 2015" https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1613260297/shadowrun-returns/posts/1085740 The image has the HBS logo in it, so it looks like a new game from them, not just a new Shadowrun property on Kickstarter. I'm stoked. E:fb
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Mimetic posted:"Shadowrun returns to Kickstarter January 2015" Harebrained Schemes is hiring a Unity 3D Environment Artist and a designer who can commit up to July 2015 with familiarity with the Shadowrun universe as a bonus.
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Kenshin posted:Yeah, Dragonfall was really, really good, much better than the Seattle campaign they launched Shadowrun Returns with. I'm interested to see what they're going to do. For serious. They released a Director's Cut of Dragonfall as a stand-alone released (and upgraded it if you already had it) and it's seriously amazing. If you're at all interested in the idea of a Shadowrun RPG, even if you hated Dead Man's Switch, you gotta try Dragonfall.
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Toxxupation posted:it's kind of mind-boggling to think that it's not even the best third-person top down turn-based strategy rpg funded on kickstarter that was released this year. not even the second-best if you consider shadowrun to have been released "This year" with dragonfall What was the best one, out of interest? I was enjoying Wasteland 2 quite a bit, but then I was mostly comparing the combat to Fallout's (which I hated), and I stopped when I realised they were releasing 2GB patches every couple of weeks and I'd have a much better time if I waited until they were done with it. I mostly wish I'd waited on Dragonfall as well, although I'll get to the director's cut eventually and am totally on board for their next thing if they're planning to take the next step on that path. Not too optimistic that they'll get a success on a par with the original Shadowrun kickstarter, but I'll give them a shot anyway.
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ikaragu posted:What was the best one, out of interest? Divinity: Original Sin, presumably.
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ikaragu posted:What was the best one, out of interest? I was enjoying Wasteland 2 quite a bit, but then I was mostly comparing the combat to Fallout's (which I hated), and I stopped when I realised they were releasing 2GB patches every couple of weeks and I'd have a much better time if I waited until they were done with it. I mostly wish I'd waited on Dragonfall as well, although I'll get to the director's cut eventually and am totally on board for their next thing if they're planning to take the next step on that path. Not too optimistic that they'll get a success on a par with the original Shadowrun kickstarter, but I'll give them a shot anyway. I think a lot of people prefer Divinity: Original Sin. I like both and I'm not sure I could choose between them. Wasteland 2 is more traditional and more difficult, D:OS does a lot of interesting new things while still feeling familiar.
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Divinity Original Sin wasn't only funded by Kickstarter though, so its a bit of an unfair comparison in regards to quality and content, though I supposed inXile may have had some outside help they didn't disclose (or that I missed them disclosing). I'm not sure if Larian were only using the money they themselves have been getting from the sale of their past games or if they had some private investment as well but the $1 million or so they got from kickstarter wasn't even half of the entire budget, even before you take out Kickstarter/Amazon fees and pledge tier fulfillment.
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Ah, OK. Divinity rubbed me the wrong way early on due to a combination of the writing, the endless stream of collectible tat and the bland & oversized town you end up at towards the beginning. I definitely enjoyed Wasteland more from what I played, I need to give them both some more time though.Kibayasu posted:Divinity Original Sin wasn't only funded by Kickstarter though, so its a bit of an unfair comparison in regards to quality and content, though I supposed inXile may have had some outside help they didn't disclose (or that I missed them disclosing). I'm not sure if Larian were only using the money they themselves have been getting from the sale of their past games or if they had some private investment as well but the $1 million or so they got from kickstarter wasn't even half of the entire budget, even before you take out Kickstarter/Amazon fees and pledge tier fulfillment. There'd have been the early access period, presumably. Speaking for myself I mostly consider how developers fund the games to be their business rather than mine though, if the end result is that the game funded outside of Kickstarter is better then the game funded outside of Kickstarter is better.
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ikaragu posted:What was the best one, out of interest? I was enjoying Wasteland 2 quite a bit, but then I was mostly comparing the combat to Fallout's (which I hated), and I stopped when I realised they were releasing 2GB patches every couple of weeks and I'd have a much better time if I waited until they were done with it. I mostly wish I'd waited on Dragonfall as well, although I'll get to the director's cut eventually and am totally on board for their next thing if they're planning to take the next step on that path. Not too optimistic that they'll get a success on a par with the original Shadowrun kickstarter, but I'll give them a shot anyway. Divinity Divinity has better gameplay (and at least some lively and interesting, if not necessarily good characters) and Shadowrun has a better setting, storytelling, characters, dialog, and art Both had better levelling systems, which is the only outright Objectively Bad thing in Wasteland 2 (but holy poo poo is it fuckin bad) The most damning thing I can say about Wasteland 2 is that it doesn't have anything worth criticizing because so much of it is so half-baked I have a hard time coming up with bad things to say about Wasteland 2, because like 90% of it is just the most mediocre and bland stuff imaginable It'd be like trying to criticize plain oatmeal. Wasteland 2 is the plain oatmeal of video games
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On the other hand I really enjoyed Wasteland 2. It had flaws but it was not only what I expected when I backed it, but well worth the money I spent backing it based on how many hours of enjoyment I got out of it.
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All this Wasteland 2 talk finally got me to put down Dragon Age: Inquisition and go back to W2. I was basically at the end, just had a few fights left to clean up. Finally closed it out with over 50 hours on the clock.
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Quarex posted:I think the responses you got are a pretty good subsection. "OMG BUT IT IS GREAT" "OMG BUT IT IS SO OUTDATED THERE IS NO POINT" "not OMG at all, just eh." 81% Metacritic, 7.3 average user score; sounds logical to me, critics are more likely to "see what they did there" and users are more likely to be like "I cannot help but notice this is not, in fact, Fallout 3 But In 1999." Thanks for the offer, but I was mostly just curious since I'm only vaguely aware of the game and its release despite it being one of the bigger Kickstarter successes. And thanks to everyone who gave their opinion; I guess it either clicked with some people or not rather than being damningly bad in one area.
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Basic Chunnel posted:I'm just kind of frustrated with how many 90's throwback RPGs are being made and how none of them can seem to make turn-based combat as fun as I remember it being. Maybe out-in-the-open slugfests were never that great. Yes what the hell is going on I thought everyone learned that cheap graphics and good gameplay/writing is better than mediocre graphics and poo poo everything.
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mycot posted:Thanks for the offer, but I was mostly just curious since I'm only vaguely aware of the game and its release despite it being one of the bigger Kickstarter successes. And thanks to everyone who gave their opinion; I guess it either clicked with some people or not rather than being damningly bad in one area. I'm kinda bummed I paid the full $40 for it. I didn't Kickstart it because I don't have any attachment to Wasteland, never having played it, so part of it may be I'm just not as invested as someone who backed it would be. Is anyone else surprised at how much the Thimbleweed Park Kickstarter is making? I really didn't expect it to go that high, but looks like they've tapped into a pretty dedicated market. I think of myself as a point and click fan, but I'm a fair weather fan and just don't think going back to the stuff that started to kill adventure games sounds very appealing, so I skipped this one.
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RightClickSaveAs posted:Is anyone else surprised at how much the Thimbleweed Park Kickstarter is making? I really didn't expect it to go that high, but looks like they've tapped into a pretty dedicated market. I think of myself as a point and click fan, but I'm a fair weather fan and just don't think going back to the stuff that started to kill adventure games sounds very appealing, so I skipped this one.
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For all your KS adventure needs- at the moment there are 5 (five) point and click projects on Kickstarter. In order of relevancy: Thimbleweed Park - 153% funded with 33 hours to go and looking real good, in all ways possible (except if you're not into 1987 graphics). I at least am 100% certain it'll come out in time and be great, it's Ron Gilbert after all. Johnny Rocketfingers 3 - 22% funded with 32 days to go, trending towards 48% of goal. I'm skeptical it'll make it, the asking goal is huge for a flash game. Viktor - 24% funded with 62 hours to go. It ain't looking good for the Austro-hungarian boar dude. Absent 2 7% funded with 18 days to go, trending towards 52% of goal. Graphically I'm not convinced to say the least. Haven't played the previous game. Dog Business - 47% funded with 43 days to go. Then again, its goal is a hundred bucks and there are no graphics, no updates, no comments, no nuffin.
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The Rocket Ranger Reloaded project is now about $2,000 short of its base goal with about 14 hours left. I hope they make it, but it seems a bit difficult. It also looks like a considerable amount of extra in-game content was promised in the stretch goals, which are impossible to reach.
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Mr Underhill posted:Hollow Knight made it! Thanks man! I was terrified we wouldn't make it, but we hit it and know we've even achieved a few stretch goals! Noice! I think we may even have a (slight) chance of hitting the Wii U stretch goal, if Miyamoto blesses us with luck. Here are some celebratory GIFs!    
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George Lazenby posted:Thanks man! I was terrified we wouldn't make it, but we hit it and know we've even achieved a few stretch goals! Noice! I think we may even have a (slight) chance of hitting the Wii U stretch goal, if Miyamoto blesses us with luck. Congratulations! So your game isn't all purple after all, huh? Heh. Nice.
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I didn't back Shadowrun kickstarted but I really liked dead mans switch and thought Dragonfall was one of the best games this year and would back a new kickstarted from them.
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Another Japanese VN got Kickstarted, by blasting through it's $160k goal in the first day: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sekaiproject/the-grisaia-trilogy-three-huge-visual-novels-for-p This time it's the entire Grisaia trilogy, which also has an anime adaptation airing.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Congratulations! Not that I paid a lot of attention to it to begin with, but those GIFs just now are the first time I've seen the game not be monochrome.
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Great Rumbler posted:Another Japanese VN got Kickstarted, by blasting through it's $160k goal in the first day: Just don't look at the rewards tier. Should've expected that for a VN...
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Suspicious Dish posted:Yeah, but it is a nukige? Doesn't seem to be any adult content in the version they're kickstarting.
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Finally hit a, basically, gamebreaking bug in Dead State. Zombies have started glitching through walls and walking off during each other's turns. Gonna suspend my campaign until further patches and play NEO Scavenger instead.
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RadicalR posted:Just don't look at the rewards tier. Should've expected that for a VN... ...and a bedsheet. With the difference between tiers, a $65 bedsheet at that.
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The hug pillow is where it's at.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Doesn't seem to be any adult content in the version they're kickstarting. Honestly? Don't bet against the physical edition being the R-18 version.
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Seashell Salesman posted:Finally hit a, basically, gamebreaking bug in Dead State. Zombies have started glitching through walls and walking off during each other's turns. Gonna suspend my campaign until further patches and play NEO Scavenger instead. I saw that NEO Scavenger is officially out now. Did they add any more story content to it? When I played, there wasn't anything to do once you got the hang of survival and made it to the city.
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Mimetic posted:I saw that NEO Scavenger is officially out now. Did they add any more story content to it? When I played, there wasn't anything to do once you got the hang of survival and made it to the city. I think there is more storyline stuff now but I haven't reached it yet. The thread on our fourms has lots of info and the developer posts there when his name is invoked.
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Mimetic posted:I saw that NEO Scavenger is officially out now. Did they add any more story content to it? When I played, there wasn't anything to do once you got the hang of survival and made it to the city. Supposedly there's a whole big quest after that, at least according to a wiki I found. As in on the other side of the map with several stages that may kill you dead.
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Toxxupation posted:it turns out that ... brian fargo ... was ... fighting against ... everything ... ugly. RightClickSaveAs posted:I'm kinda bummed I paid the full $40 for it. I didn't Kickstart it because I don't have any attachment to Wasteland, never having played it, so part of it may be I'm just not as invested as someone who backed it would be. Actually I also understand the criticism of the dialogue system; for someone used to the somewhat standard "multiple-choice options" (and particularly if hoping for "different dialogue for low intelligence") it is surely jarring to have "just click through the options, type something in if you can think of something else, move along." RightClickSaveAs posted:Is anyone else surprised at how much the Thimbleweed Park Kickstarter is making? I really didn't expect it to go that high, but looks like they've tapped into a pretty dedicated market. I think of myself as a point and click fan, but I'm a fair weather fan and just don't think going back to the stuff that started to kill adventure games sounds very appealing, so I skipped this one.  (Tim Schafer is not bad or anything though, just never got the love compared to Ron Gilbert who could basically do no wrong)
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I never really liked Wasteland, but I backed Wasteland 2 because I want to see something happen in the turn based RPG space. Was I disappointed? Not really, felt like playing Wasteland with updated graphics and more content. I don't see why you'd go in to something like that expecting totally different combat and environments. e: the one thing that was a disappointment was the (visual) character customization. It occupied a weird middle ground between old school "pick a portrait" and full customization in something like a TES game. Did not like.
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