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Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Quest For Glory II posted:

The games that see the most success on Kickstarter I think are iOS projects because they don't require as large of a budget as PC titles and the turnaround tends to be quicker.

The reason why scams generally don't happen as much as you'd think is because of a simple reason.. trust is opt-in. People aren't going to donate to something that is just a bunch of promises from an unknown person. That's why a lot of the projects that do succeed usually have a Kickstarter video that contains actual in-game footage. Also programmers are not exactly extroverts so if one is full of poo poo when they're talking on camera you can tell pretty easily.

The kickstarter video is so important and people gently caress it up so badly so often it hurts. I think I've seen at least 500 different projects with unironic "Oh, hi! Didn't see you there." introductions. Next time I post in this thread I'm gonna bring some terrible/funny projects to show. It's like searching for hay in a haystack, let's just say.

I'm excited to see what Kickstarter and the like can do for crowdfunding, but at the same time I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. People like Tim Schafer have pedigree to back them up hence why he can command $3 million+ (before taxes, that's another issue entirely)

Then you have your Arkh Projects. I would actually love to see a site/blog of disastrous sounding projects on Kickstarter/Indiegogo that would document these to serve as examples. I'm concerned 6 months from now (if even that long) we will see fallout where people are shocked, SHOCKED that the drama whores running X game, that they threw money at without asking questions, took it and ran to Mexico and surprise surprise, no contracts were signed so no authoritative body, not even Kickstarter, wants to touch that with a ten foot pole. Which is great for an internet story, but ultimately bad for even legit developers, because once bitten twice shy.

Look at all the "lol Gabe is fat" backlash due to HL episode 3 being so long delayed. Can you imagine having to answer to these "investors" in such a public, micromanaged way? The moment you go dark for a month, even a week, a thousand assholes take to twitter to post your personal information and call for your head. I don't think this is going to happen with Double Fine but can you imagine what would happen if someone with Double Fine's respect did drop the ball? That would pretty much make Kickstarter the laughingstock of the internet

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Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
Have there been any successful kickstarter projects already released?

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

evilmiera posted:

How can these guys have so few backers? Even as someone who hasn't played the earlier games, Metacell seems completely awesome and the vid is great. Did someone forget to advertise?

I suspect 69K is a little high. It looks like a feasible project but for that goal they need more buzz for sure

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

HondaCivet posted:

I know it's April Fools and all but I really want to believe that something this hilariously sick could exist.

That's what indie games lack, DLC milkage

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

buttopticor posted:

Actually, vaguely similar kickstarter proposals get denied by Kickstarter.

I'm actually curious is there a way or site to see an archive of rejected Kickstarters?

Arnold of Soissons posted:

I looks kind of like a combination of Mount And Blade and King's Bounty, except it somehow doesn't look fun.
Something about the sincerity of Belorussian larpers makes me want to see this succeed so badly

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Valen posted:

The motherboard he picked has the wrong socket for that processor. Some computer sales associate he is. :laugh:

Is there no approval process on that indie site? That's just flat out begging for money.

You'd think the guy from Pete and Pete would be able to afford his own computer

edit: Oh dear lord he pronounces meme "mimi"

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Quarex posted:

Please help fund Brian Fargo's "Publish It Forward" Kickstarter to start a publishing house that exclusively publishes Kickstarter games!

"Here's the thing, you gotta play by our rules which means quick turnaround times and making games how we see fit. Also day 1 DLC"

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Count Uvula posted:

Ron Paul: Road to Revolution is going to break $10,000 :stare:

Either outsider art is fashionable now, or libertarians are as stupid as I thought.

I hope he teaches them all a lesson on the free market by taking the money and running to Hookerstan

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Iacen posted:

I've written Hexadecimal Gnome (Hannah) about it. Hopefully that'll remove this before some unlucky dude (or a yognaught who's stolen his father's credit card) stumbles across it. It's one of those fund raisers where any money donated is transfered to the creator, regardless of the goal is reached or not.

loving shameless, I dare say it's worse than "I need money for new car please donate together we can achieve anything any amount helps k thx bye"

It's only a matter of time before professional grifters regularly use Indiegogo (or even Kickstarter with some creative thinking) to pay rent every month with some new pitch about changing the world of gaming. You don't even need some grandiose project, since getting a couple thousand seems like the easiest thing in the world.

Hell that smart glasses project someone posted pages back the angry commenters were saying they used the money to go to Thailand

Alan Smithee fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Apr 25, 2012

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Saoshyant posted:

Sure enough. Example, possibly :nws:. Oh, and that's Roberta Williams on the right. The Roberta Williams from King's Quest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softporn_Adventure

wiki posted:

The game's cover features three nude women and a male waiter in a hot tub. The hot tub is actually that of Sierra's owners, Ken and Roberta Williams. From left to right, the first woman was the company's bookkeeper at On-Line Systems. The second is the wife of Bob Davis, the creator of another Sierra title, Ulysses and the Golden Fleece. The waiter was an actual waiter from a local restaurant, The Broken Bit.
:roflolmao:

Man I can just imagine what it must be like being Roberta Williams' daughter

Roberta Williams: "I am not ashamed of my body, the 70s and 80s were different times, drugs and sex could be had by all-"

daughter: "LALALALALALA"

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Achmed Jones posted:

They also say that they'll be using motion capture "thanks to some friends at Disney/Pixar." Riiiiight.

e: Thanks a lot Al, making me look slow and dumb :shobon:

At least they removed the word "rotoscope" from their 3D game. That would have been embarassing

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
Is there a way to contact people on KS? I want to tell all the backers on Mythic they are being had and the comment section is backer only (I can't believe they even allow that option)

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Der Shovel posted:

It's loving shameless is what it is. I just posted this in the GBS thread:

The hole gets deeper.

Those concept pictures of their "amazing game world"? Both stolen from here.

Someone needs to start contacting someone before these shameless motherfuckers literally steal 80 000 dollars or how much they were asking for.

http://www.mythicthegame.com/concept-art.html it's all there too, with the creators' watermarks cut out. loving shameless.

Their facebook page just went down too. The last thing he said? "I was the production director at Burton Design Group before leavving to start my own adventure"

riiiiiight.

I'm not worried about Mythic to be honest, since they won't reach their funding goal (least I hope not). But what if they had set their sights a bit lower, say $5000? Anything in the 4 figure range seems retardedly easy to achieve on KS and the like. That's what I'm concerned about. Even a con man has to be creative with his pitch to fool that many people into giving him $10K-$100K, in which case society kinda rewards people of his ilk anyway so he's "earned it" in a perverse way.

It's these hit and run guerilla scams that people have to vigilant about since you can use a new fake name and put together some new bullshit pitch about "wow killers" and "Call of Duty without publishers"

Alan Smithee fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Apr 28, 2012

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

LumberingTroll posted:

Someone should pledge a dollar and post in the comment sections, if it doesn't go through, you dont get charged a buck.

I would, but my Kickstarter is about to go live...

there's still about 42 days left. I'm confident it won't make it but if it did I would feel soooo dirty (plus minimum is 5 bucks)

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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Strenuous Manflurry posted:

The only name attached to these guys is "Seth Westfall" or something like that. He's this fucker, from their pitch video.



That's literally the only name we have out of a company that claims "If you enjoyed playing WOW between 2009-2011, or Diablo 2 then you are very welcome! We worked many hard years to put a part of each of us into those titles."

Oh noes guys, what if we just ruined the reputation of totally legitimate and renowned game developer Seth Westfall who once game tested your favorite game? :smith:

Fintilgin posted:

God, now I wish I had donated a buck.

:Something Awful accidentally ironically funds Mythic:

"Goons, Mythic is a scam, to the comments!"

*80,000 goons donate a dollar to join backer comments section*

FUNDING SUCCESSFUL

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Al! posted:

Kickstarter needs a Helldump.

Two Worlds Kickstarter

Help Two Worlds realize the outerworld and innerworld by-

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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It's inevitable that some level of KS fatigue is going to set in when enough projects fall through. Which is a shame because I want to get on this Startkicking before people are once bitten twice shy

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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Yodzilla posted:

Since he's said it's going to be released regardless of how the Kickstarer goes I can't wait to see how the project unfolds.

Much like the bottom of his stomach, it will never see the light of day

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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macnbc posted:

\today they announced that they've gotten David Hayter (Solid Snake)

"This is the end of privacy as we know it!"

:madmax: "UNBELIEVABLE"

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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2 weeks should be enough time for Eisenwald to cover 15K but they do need a final push

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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Quarex posted:

I was looking through a few dozen pages of finished Kickstarters the other day, and it really is kind of amazing how almost every non-funded Kickstarter ends at somewhere between 0 and ~40% of its total. There is definitely an economic study just begging to be done here about excitement/momentum/peer pressure; it would not surprise me at all if, ceteris paribus* [!], people are more likely to try to drum up additional support for a project that looks likely to succeed than for one that does not. You might think that just sounds obvious, but "things that sound obvious" are often great subjects for research!


*Latin for "pretentious academic rear end in a top hat"

The invisible foot of Kickstarter

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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I'm hoping Carmageddon still has that don't-give-a-gently caress attitude. I feel like GTA has paradoxically tried to be more "grown up" while losing much of what made it fun in the process

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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Mug posted:

For some reason I get really furious when I see Kickstarters with physical rewards for <$50 pledges.

Are you being sarcastic? I'm genuinely curious why if you are serious

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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HondaCivet posted:

I didn't play the original Carmageddeon(s) or anything but I'm pretty sure that I'd like to play a game that's literally made by crazy people. I'm in!

I'm kicking in for Eisenwald too. The game looks nice but I think it's mostly because their video is adorable. :3:

Yeah, I mentioned on the comments section I might never have given it a second thought if it was some Steam sale of the day, but watching the pitch made me want them to win

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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Al! posted:

Boy I wish there was a Kickstarter to raise Tex Avery from the dead.

https://www.u-wish.com/

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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I'm sure she's got some valid things to say but drat, she could hire a boom op and buy giant floodlights for that amount of money. Which is kinda overkill for a webcam video

Pledge $10,000 and I will rent a live studio and you get to be in the audience.

I can think of worse Kickstarters to contribute to sure

Alan Smithee fucked around with this message at 09:33 on May 24, 2012

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
I'll admit I made a quip about what could she possibly do with that amount of money considering the modest production values webcam typically have. I have some sympathies though as I know I'm going to have to deal with a lot of the same bullshit soon enough

gently caress it I'll kick in :10bux:

I just hope she doesn't take the money and run to Cocaine Island

Alan Smithee fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Jun 8, 2012

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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Oh you know I'm in for $490K

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Falcon2001 posted:

I'm actually surprised by the vitriol against Super Retro Squad or whatever. SMBC was super fun and an interesting take on nostalgia and platformers, and finding out he was planning on making a new game with new stages and everything was exciting for me at least. :(

I mean, his hair sucks and he obviously registered just to back his game and that sucks, but I don't see the hate for the game itself, especially since it sounds like it's not just going to be SMBC with different sprites.

Goons hate goons, film at 11

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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AbstractNapper posted:

So, this guy must be making some sort of a joke, right?

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/aqp-city-the-white-city--2

$3,000 goal (flexible funding on Indiegogo) for a GTA / Just Cause like game, running on Unreal 4 engine. 3 years in the making. ETA Septembet 2015.

Even if by some miracle he (and possibly a team consisting of 3 other people) managed to make a full game (including the city and the countryside as shown in the screenshots), there's no way $3,000 will be enough for the stuff he lists under "I Need your Help".

Apparently he's also trying to bridge GTA and Red Dead Redemption judging by all those horse shots

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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Has anyone played the alpha for Power Drive 2000?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1420158244/power-drive-2000

I want this to be good so bad :ohdear:

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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Welp, Shenmue 3

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3

Watch that money meter go vrooooo in realtime

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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eh? Mine keeps saying 15k...

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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I wonder what the over/under is on full funding by midnight tonight

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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Kyrosiris posted:

500k in 40 minutes, so if it keeps this pace, it's entirely possible. It'd be 12:31 AM eastern.

Pacific aka the only the timezone that matters :colbert:

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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I actually dont have history with Shenmue but watching this money drive makes me feel like Walt Jr

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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yeah it's less about funding the game for them and more about milking them whales for all they are worth

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Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


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can't even imagine how much money Duke Forever would have made on KS

those pre-order suckers didn't even get a keychain they could sell

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