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Ramming speed! Show these lemon Neville bastards what it means to be human!
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I have a plan, I'll post it tomorrow night my time (GMT +10).AJ_Impy posted:Ramming speed! Show these lemon Neville bastards what it means to be human! 
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Aug 10, 2015 14:06
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Alright, here is my working plan. What do you all think? (9:06:42 PM) Chiwie1: but my plan is to buy as much time as possible by bravely running away while: (9:06:42 PM) Chiwie1: 1. rigging the ship to self destruct (9:06:42 PM) Chiwie1: 2. prepare for boarding action (9:06:42 PM) Chiwie1: 3. Message the alien neville bastards with a video of the survival pod, with "Come near us and your friends get blown to kingdom come" in every lingo we have. (9:06:42 PM) Chiwie1: 4. No escape pods, if the Basse goes, we aren't going to let the bastards screw with our minds and find out where earth is. (9:06:42 PM) Chiwie1: 5. if they try a boarding action, we will fight and counter board *if* we can. If we get pushed back beyond a reasonable point, we blow the ship and the pod. (9:06:42 PM) Chiwie1: 6. if they fire anything but a disabling shot, we blow the ship and the pod. (9:06:42 PM) Chiwie1: 7. if they give us an opening to RAMMING SPEED, we do that and explode the ship and the pod. (9:07:47 PM) Chiwie1: *add to 1: Obviously we cover the pod in all the explosives we have. If we die, the lemon headed Nevilles go with us.
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Aug 11, 2015 13:27
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Chiwie posted:Alright, here is my working plan. What do you all think? This is the most metal plan. Soundtrack
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Aug 11, 2015 15:37
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Chiwie posted:Alright, here is my working plan. What do you all think? This is all fluff, so it's up to BG how much of this you can actually do. I will say I am uncomfortable at the precedent set by threatening to murder prisoners of war, and attempting to prevent your crew from making for the escape pods.
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Aug 11, 2015 15:45
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Gnooble posted:This is all fluff, so it's up to BG how much of this you can actually do. As the most senior officer in the theatre, I'm in no real position to stop Chiwie but you can consider these concerns relayed. Personal note: The effectiveness of superior orders coming in from billions of miles away to a group of men and women facing (at best) certain death from a horrific alien menace remains to be seen. I can only eagerly await the Mind's next attempt to leave the system - I intend to extract payment for any and all human lives lost, in full and in blood, even if it takes me to the last missile I have and beyond.
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Aug 11, 2015 16:40
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Chiwie posted:Alright, here is my working plan. What do you all think? Treating prisoners of war as effectively hostages when confronted with a superior force is a strong tactic. The alternative is opening up with, "We have your people. Would you like to start negotiating for their return?" in order to buy time for the fleet to return. It effectively means the same thing, but may stimulate a different reaction.
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Aug 11, 2015 17:50
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Aethernet posted:Treating prisoners of war as effectively hostages when confronted with a superior force is a strong tactic. The alternative is opening up with, "We have your people. Would you like to start negotiating for their return?" in order to buy time for the fleet to return. It effectively means the same thing, but may stimulate a different reaction. It doesn't even require an explicit threat... "one of yours is on this ship" kinda goes with "when things explode, nearby things which are alive stop being alive" to deliver the same message without deliberately escalating tensions. Chiwie posted:(9:07:47 PM) Chiwie1: *add to 1: Obviously we cover the pod in all the explosives we have. If we die, the lemon headed Nevilles go with us. Has 'Neville' degenerated into generic term for anyone you don't like?
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Aug 11, 2015 18:21
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silentsnack posted:It doesn't even require an explicit threat... "one of yours is on this ship" kinda goes with "when things explode, nearby things which are alive stop being alive" to deliver the same message without deliberately escalating tensions. He's gone Maximum Tojo on us now.
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Aug 11, 2015 18:41
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I like 'Nevilles', it's less dorky than 'Xenos'. Also, LOL at anyone second guessing us taking hostages when human lives are on the line.
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Aug 11, 2015 18:45
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silentsnack posted:Has 'Neville' degenerated into generic term for anyone you don't like? You clearly haven't been reading this thread for very long. 'Neville' has degenerated into a generic term that everyone uses for people they don't like.
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Aug 11, 2015 19:06
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Zeroisanumber posted:I like 'Nevilles', it's less dorky than 'Xenos'. here's my suggestion: 
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Aug 11, 2015 19:25
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Unfortunately I don't think the Mind cares about individual host bodies.
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Aug 11, 2015 20:46
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While that is probably true, Chiwie's plan is the best shot they have at surviving. I do agree that he'll probably be blasted away no matter what (no offense Chiwie), but at this point trying everything and anything we can is better than just letting that Khopesh open fire. The important bit is that the Khopesh hasn't opened fire yet, even though I am fairly certain that it's within firing range at this point.
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Aug 11, 2015 20:59
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Dr. Snark posted:While that is probably true, Chiwie's plan is the best shot they have at surviving. Since you're "certain," please cite your sources for Khopesh firing range. 
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Aug 11, 2015 21:05
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Allow me to jump in here and state that at a distance of 3.3 million km, the Khopesh is not within any possible or theoretical beam firing range, although it will be soon, since it has the speed advantage, and that it can almost certainly blast UNS Bassae apart from a distance that would prevent any attempt at ramming. (See again speed difference)
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Aug 11, 2015 21:19
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bgreman posted:Since you're "certain," please cite your sources for Khopesh firing range. Right, once again I get a bit too passionate about these things and forget to actually cite data. Sorry. I thought it was a better way of saying that they still have a chance because the update ended right there instead of them exploding.
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Aug 11, 2015 21:39
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Alternative idea: eject the pod, EVA as many crew members of Bassae as possible in suits, linger around the pod. When they come to pick up the pod or poke around in the wreckage of Bassae, board the fuckers!  Otherwise yes, hostages might be the best chance.
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Aug 11, 2015 22:49
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Did we ever see if the Khopesh would react to a transponder beacon? I can't tell if they have a direct bead on the Bassae yet but maybe it'll get distracted by a shiny new target and change directions. Also, I just had a thought. Given the distributed nature of the Mind consciousness, they may not value individual biological components of the network very highly. In a situation like this, then, they may intentionally try and destroy the pod we picked up in order to deny us any further intelligence on it. Chiwie's ultimatum may backfire. Edit: How many warheads does the Hakahaka gate group still have? Peepers fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Aug 12, 2015 |
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Aug 12, 2015 01:30
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WATCHTOWER has 51 Eagles and 4 Hornets remaining. I highly doubt the Khopesh will give up a confirmed target they can close with in a matter of hours to go after a transponder signal, but if CDRE Corbett wishes to try he has command authority.
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Aug 12, 2015 02:31
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Gnooble posted:This is all fluff, so it's up to BG how much of this you can actually do. ^^^^ This.
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Aug 12, 2015 02:53
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I have a possible idea, but I don't fully know the information about our speed and senor range. Could we get out of the Khopesh senor range if we just dropped/shot out the pod and they stopped to pick it up? It is at lest a better idea of trying to get out with some of our people alive.
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Aug 12, 2015 02:55
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CasinoV posted:I have a possible idea, but I don't fully know the information about our speed and senor range. Why would they stop to pick it up, rather than engage us and then go back for it?
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Aug 12, 2015 03:09
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CasinoV posted:I have a possible idea, but I don't fully know the information about our speed and senor range. ...That might work, assuming the pod could be sent off at a sufficient velocity. Did we manage to separate the blob pods from the central pod? Because if so that would allow the Bassae time to break off from the Khopesh and still keep the prisoners. If not, we can always catch the Khopesh as it heads back through the Hakahaka gate. Leif. posted:Why would they stop to pick it up, rather than engage us and then go back for it? Judging by how the Khopeshes acted during the initial engagement at the gate, they aren't really concerned with inflicting casualties as much as they are about a rescue mission. If they were more concerned about attacking us, we would have lost more of our ships at the gate. Not only that, but they didn't start bombing Jamestown when they arrived; they just started scanning it before the Bassae gave them a hook. Hopefully all this means they'll ignore the Bassae if they eject the pod. Remember, we are basically dealing with a species-wide computer-this may very well be a subroutine triggered by the destruction of the Gizas. Dr. Snark fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Aug 12, 2015 |
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Aug 12, 2015 03:11
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Them being more concerned with a rescue mission still does not answer the question of why they couldn't just continue and destroy Bassae, and then pick up the pod anyway after. Doing so is actually more favorable to them, because it means the recovery of the pod won't be jeopardized by any attacks. Either way they can still get the pod. Why would they choose the option that leaves us with a warship still alive, when they can choose the option that doesn't?
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Aug 12, 2015 03:25
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Because they did that at the Hakahaka gate. During that battle neither of the Khopeshes fired a single shot at our ships, even though they could have easily damaged or outright destroyed them with a few salvos. Judging by the reactions of the ships in general, I am beginning to feel like the Mind isn't stupid per se, but they appear to get so focused on their task that they ignore most other parameters. While they are adaptable on a basic level as we have seen here, their strategic decisions leave much to be desired. I speculate that the Mind does in fact operate like a gigantic computer, and that these actions are essentially subroutines that they are going through. It would certainly explain how their ships operate. Why was our sentry in Hakahaka destroyed? Because they knew that the pod wasn't in that system, so they could destroy the ship without consequence. Why did our fleet get by unscathed? Because the pod was in Roanoke, a parameter was set into place that said they couldn't attack a ship for fear of destroying the blobs we recovered. Why did the first Khopesh suicidally go back through the gate? Because a repair command was placed at top priority after it was mauled by the Moskvas, and nothing else was relevant. tl;dr: The Mind is so concerned about their recovery mission that they might be willing to ignore the Bassae. Edit: On a final note, it would also explain why the Gizas retreated after we sent Beef to board the Peacock-a general repair command would have been sent out, causing the ships to retreat. Given the sheer size of those ships and the Mind's conservation efforts, keeping those ships functional would be a top-tier priority. Dr. Snark fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Aug 12, 2015 |
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Snark - your whole post is wildly inaccurate. The MIND ships never had spotting on any vessel in our fleet during the engagement at Hakahaka Gate. In fact, both Khopeshes did attempt to engage - Khopesh 001 went after UNS Parnassus' active sensor signal - well outside their own active range but picked up by their passive sensors. Khopesh 002 moved out after being hit, and then came in to engage the Feds. The Federation fired and then immediately fled through the gate and we remained outside active detection range until they broke off after being struck by several missile salvos. If, as you posit, a repair command was overriding - why didn't the second Khopesh also withdraw? We hit it with numerous missiles. The fact that Khopesh 002 was disabled in a "suicidal" jump is a complete mystery, all previous evidence shows that the Khopeshes are completely capable of combat after transit within the normal jump effect parameters. Neither Giza retreated, they retasked to a different gate and began construction. If the Giza also had a repair command following operation IRON CHEF, why didn't it return to a MIND base or colony? The MIND vessel has a sufficient speed advantage they could recover the pod and still catch Bassae well before it can escape active detection. Barring some sort of catastrophic failure of their systems (whether by our action or simple chance - as happened to Khopesh 002) UNS Bassae is caught. Gnooble fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Aug 12, 2015 |
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Aug 12, 2015 04:32
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Notice: I am leaving for Hawaii tomorrow and will be gone for a week. I am taking my computer and phone with me so I will be available over PMs, but I will not be responsive on IRC during this time.
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Aug 12, 2015 05:29
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Gnooble posted:*Good Points* I admit that I was wrong about my speculations on the Mind's behavior, but my problem and the reason I wrote that whole spiel down is the whole defeatist attitude I'm seeing from some people. It may be just the fact that the update cut off before the Bassae gets destroyed, but I feel like there has to be something we can do. Maybe whatever Chiwie does won't do anything to the Khopesh. Maybe he will succeed and actually survive through some miracle. But if there's even the slightest chance that he might actually survive or at least take down the Khopesh with him, then trying is far better than just giving up and watching the Bassae explode without a fight.
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Aug 12, 2015 05:55
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Here is the first video from session 3, the rest should be in the playlist. I'll post the full summery later, suffice to say, things finally started to look up for every. New ship, new crew, new system, what could go wrong?
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Aug 12, 2015 09:21
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Dr. Snark posted:I admit that I was wrong about my speculations on the Mind's behavior, but my problem and the reason I wrote that whole spiel down is the whole defeatist attitude I'm seeing from some people. It may be just the fact that the update cut off before the Bassae gets destroyed, but I feel like there has to be something we can do. Sometimes there's just nothing you can do. I hope Chiwie can pull off a daring escape, I really do, but by far the most probable result here is the loss of UNS Bassae.
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Aug 12, 2015 13:43
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Here is what I think. The Khopesh is effectively trapped within the current system. If it try to go to Hakahaka they may end up like the previous Khopesh and end up an easy kill. If they go to Sol, our fleet should be within range by that time to eliminate it. I think one of the best possibility for the Bassae to make it out of this alive, is to ditch the pod and run like hell for Sol. (I am guessing strapping the pod to a an unarmed missile would be a massive fluff move though)
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Aug 12, 2015 20:28
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Kind of funny how the Bassae was has been running for only 22 hours after it detecting the Khopesh. Nicely done, lasted twice as long as I thought. Make sure your EVA suits are worn. You'll need them soon. As will a few other unguarded ships, if I guess correctly.
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Aug 12, 2015 20:53
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Hang on just a moment. Do we have reason to believe the Khopesh knows where the Bassae is right now? I mean, yes, we wanted to get to the gate before they did, but now that they're there, are we in actual time pressure to get there? Maybe we could circle around outside of their active sensor range, wait for them to leave, then sneak in from behind.
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Aug 13, 2015 05:54
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FredMSloniker posted:Hang on just a moment. Do we have reason to believe the Khopesh knows where the Bassae is right now? I mean, yes, we wanted to get to the gate before they did, but now that they're there, are we in actual time pressure to get there? Maybe we could circle around outside of their active sensor range, wait for them to leave, then sneak in from behind. UNS Bassae is definitely spotted. At the alien sensor strength and resolution it is well within active detection range.
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Aug 13, 2015 13:24
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So apparently I goofed on making the playlist for the last Traveller session, I've got it all squared away now so all the episodes are there now. Link again for those who like to watch/listen
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Aug 14, 2015 01:04
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This thread has just convinced me to finally throw $10 after an account after lurking SA for years. Anyways, still back in 2034 game dates/2013 post dates so I have no idea what the situation is like up there in the future but I'd like to be put in the queue for a naval officer.
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Crazycryodude posted:This thread has just convinced me to finally throw $10 after an account after lurking SA for years. Anyways, still back in 2034 game dates/2013 post dates so I have no idea what the situation is like up there in the future but I'd like to be put in the queue for a naval officer. Haha, welcome aboard this crazy train, we ride to the stars!
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Aug 15, 2015 22:37
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w34fSnJNP-4 quote:Samolety: Good stuff If Chiwie doesn't make it out of this, UNFRAD will officially be sponsoring a ballad along these lines.
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Samolety posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w34fSnJNP-4 That is a an amazing thing and I am so glad you introduced it to us.
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