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Jack2142 posted:Honestly can UNEC just have a vote on war with the Mind or not, I have a feeling the lack of a decisive course of action will just lead to another Mars Crisis where the UN is trying to do to many things at once and thus come off a schizophrenic with their actions. There is going to be a fight whether the council wants one or not and Sol is eventually getting gated no matter what, but leaving an open petition/application for evaluation/candidacy might buy more time than deception or withholding data. Maybe point out that our race evolved in an environment with limited resources so we had to grow up competitive and selfish and individualistic and territorial (on planet Darwin, only the meanest nastiest bastards survive) so even a ruling organization can't force everyone to cooperate and unless they give us time to prepare the general populace (delay their gating of Sol) both the UN and Feds will have violent internal uprisings that waste Resources. Could also be that their statistical models predict the best way to unite a planet of crazy assholes is a war against a common foe. Either way someone could try hypothetical shenanigans like suggesting "maybe the reason Community has not yet found the 'solution to end consumption' is their genocide/brainwashing every sapient species they meet" or use the fallback option of threatening to go solar. Too bad they are probably immune to logic bombs and persuasion and boarding.  Readingaccount posted:If you're referring to the Sol statement, the Mind has stated it will dispatch enforcement vessels 'to stop undue harm to the local environment'. At the moment it would be Sol where that is primarily occurring. Not that they can be defeated by proof-by-contradiction but several of their philosophies and actions seem counterproductive at best. Obsession with long-term planning but using too many inefficient methods, respect for non-sapient species yet elevating them to the point where they have to choose between living miserably or dying miserably. Let's not forget the ridiculous War on Entropy. Might have missed something in the torrent of bickering and fluff, but if I'm reading the Mind's purported "history of the universe" correctly, the part where the First and Second empires collapsed because they never figured out basic economics is just a heavy-handed allegory installed by whichever architects of the Community (Third Ones or Gardeners or a faction of archivists?) decided to make them fanatical hoarders. Maybe someone behind the scenes wants a competitive/aggressive race that can surpass the Community and eventually take on something even bigger, because there's something even nastier out there like the immortal First/Second remnants who deliberately trapped themselves in Trans-Newtonian rift space, or whatever extradimensional Eldritch things show up when someone gets too advanced and starts messing with higher-order physics like the next physical phenomenon beyond TNE. Not like it makes much difference at this point, but BG said multiple times he's doing the easy-GM thing of setting up a framework and letting others make up the details. In conclusion, stop proposing votes and start blowing poo poo up already. I've probably contradicted myself several times in this pile of meta nonsense, so maybe I should put in a job application for research assistant under any PIs that have available space. If there are multiple vacancies, pick one at random(?) edit: What I had meant about trying to 'negotiate' was, it won't make a difference to give the data or not, but state that while we understand their position on ownership, in order to avoid having society flip its poo poo, we have no choice but to attack anything that enters the Sol system (without a treaty). Earth will almost definitely lose the first outright engagement. It might not change whether they immediately escalate immediately afterward but 'we have to do this for the collective benefit of all mankind' might slow down a Final Solution and get a bit more cooperation from the Federation in the impending Even Colder War. silentsnack fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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bgreman posted:Does this mean you want a scientist character? The queue is currently empty, so you'd get the next generated scientist. That works too. (Apparently I had misinterpreted your description of officer-designated-staff / game mechanic.)
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DatonKallandor posted:This is a matter of (in-game) hours (according to people that know ship speeds and locations) and leadership is abstaining? This really is a very accurate simulation of the real UN. If you really want to paralyze things, call on the general assembly of rabble-at-large goons for an election. Or just use the traditional method... all you have to do is invoke the word 'terrorist' to bypass all the nonsense like laws and rights and common sense Gnooble posted:We have, and they have agreed with us that war is inevitable given the information we have. When the shooting war happens, I seem to recall something about boarding attacks needing a to-hit roll (among other things) which is guaranteed success against a stationary target? And the linelayers can't move without losing all progress, so they either take the attack (which probably works rather well against a civilian ship) and give you salvage/tech/intel or move and can't safely resume without harassment until after escorts arrive? So the aliens who presumably already know this either have enough resources that they don't mind losing one or two or five of those ships or are confident in their defenses and have backup nearby, possibly including an arbitrary number of stealthy warships waiting just outside the sensor coverage of all of your ships and have been consistently trying to provoke an attack against an unarmed vessel engaging in 'peaceful' activity. It seems not entirely unreasonable that this is bait to give them pretext to justify total genocide. Remember the T-word? BG probably isn't that malicious about it, but even superintelligent aliens can still be stupid enough to have politics.
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bgreman posted:The goons in the thread are not the General Assembly. I am. I will remove UNEC members due to inactivity or gross misconduct, but to prevent a sufficiently large goonbloc from taking over the thread, I do not give the peanut gallery any legislative agency. It was meant as a joke, not necessarily the 'funny ha-ha' kind. Maybe I'm just that bad at sarcasm. And proofreading. bgreman posted:The boarding attack roll is based on a ship's speed setting, not its actual movement speed. So since the Giza has its engines at max power, it has an effective speed of 2512 kps, even when it isn't moving. As for other somewhat arcane mechanics, could missiles be designed with a fixed-mount cannon instead of an explosive warhead? David Corbett posted:Let's not let them down, and instead blow them the gently caress up.
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Readingaccount posted:*comments follow ...can't really tell what you're trying to say who said about what or who is the strawman here, or if you're actually saying anything. Whichever it is, my earlier wall-o-text could be summarized as: (0) These aliens are insane or stupid or lying. Possibly all three. The important part (for now) is that the aliens are overtly hostile. (1) This war is gonna happen, because plot. (2) You will get your butts kicked but you won't die. Prepare your butts. (3) It probably won't really matter what you do about the shard but you might want to claim the "at least we acted/negotiated in good faith" card later. or not. (4) What you 'know' in-universe is so limited that The Federation is your best friend for the foreseeable future. Prepare your intoxicating beverages. silentsnack posted:In conclusion, stop proposing votes and start blowing poo poo up already. Mostly just here for the space opera, so if I have to have an opinion it is "this is the most hilariously ineffective Evil Council that ever accidentally got cast as protagonists."  bgreman posted:I don't really want to have to address this again, but you are definitely not being railroaded into war with the Mind. edit2: Curse you, TildeATH 
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1: Abstain. 2: Abstain harder. Sparq posted:No preference, thanks. Unless there is a stat on Exploding Gloriously. Espionage might get you an entertainingly narrative death?
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Obliterati posted:The United Nations should tell us immediately what truth is out there. We have a right to know. Dr. Snark posted:like something out of a drat horror movie. Speaking of the Strange Tales From the rear end-end of The Universe, how much of that nightmare would actually be useful data vs pure fluff? The aliens revealed their hostile stance but failed to halt WATCHTOWER or even prevent Osaka from transiting, so either they could not incapacitate the crew to stop one ship or they deliberately let it go. (Narrative reasons? Strategic jackassery?) It only affected the one ship that was supposedly carrying some relay or projection of their manipulation, so does that give any useful information about the limits of their capability? Effective area/range? Maximum number of targets? Some crew passed out right away during the assault and some went berserk (afterward?) while others did not. Why the difference? What factors influenced the various reactions? (age? personality? ideology? psychotropic chemicals? hidden 'willpower' stat?) Did everyone actually get hit with the same effects? Does any of this translate into anti-voodoo/countermeasures? (Would this be relevant for Gnooble? or Saros? or both?) Most importantly, can the psychic weapon(?) be saturated or overwhelmed by rushing them with colony/cargo ships full of delusional/angry/dissident/freep/hobos on shrooms and haldol? "Only YOU can be too drat crazy! Defeat the space warlock menace."
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Kal-L posted:Goddammit, stop it! Or else bgreman will start a Patreon or Kickstarter or something to make sure we pay him for our free entertainment! Nah, he's in it for the long haul so it is just a matter of waiting until it gets big enough to kickstart a string of feature films in order to seed an expanded universe type pyramid scheme, and have others also write the character-fluff while pulling ad revenue on a store page on top of royalties per copy sold. Then comes the merchandise... So keeping the core element 'free' is a sinister plot to become a legit billionaire. I'm okay with that.
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MagnumOpus posted:According to the Mind they lost contact with the Belnar a really long time ago. Also, asking the Mind for anything is a non-starter even if they had ships in the area. Where have they gone? I believe the current theory, or at least the one that won't invite another round of "Nervous Neville" tirades, is that they are currently marshaling forces to come and kill us. Since all available 'history' that happened outside of the recorded game events and canonized(?) world-as-we-know-it-up-to-2010 is just as arbitrary as any 'history' written by someone who may have had an agenda (mentioned in my prior ramblings on "this ancient mythical cosmology from an ancient dead race may as well be nursery rhymes and politically-biased fabrications within a narrative/game... for the sake of drama/entertainment" or something to that effect) Obviously this includes the tablets/etc behind the Belnar White Paper Report, which was the original basis for the history/myth/narrative theory. ...and all the things the 'Mind' has said so far are either references to the Belnar Report (as others have mentioned, could have just been repeating it back to the officers that had read the report) or ambiguous/unsubstantiated claims they refuse to prove, instead issuing unilateral demands and declaring that they own the entire galaxy and every gram of matter in it. The fact they also used information--and mind-manipulation without warning demonstrates disingenuous intent and basically all of the Osaka Incident suggest the UN&Federation are dealing with major assholes who show no regard for our bird-flipping capabilities. Just gotta show them what a bunch of dumb apes can do. Conduct research into new and more powerful obscenities for the sailors.
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markus_cz posted:It's actually assumed that there are scores of such small ships, not represented in the game, doing exactly that: shuffling around individuals in lightning speeds. Bgreman refers to them as "couriers". Thought it was one of BG's houserules that transfers and communications are abstracted as fluff (repeater beacons that don't actually exist in-game, etc) but only allowed once plausible tech has been implemented... Because Aurora does have a SM-toggled option that restricts officers to move between ships/bases/colonies the same way cargo/colonists and survey teams do, but without the load/unload times. Early on he used this option but once interplanetary ships became common he relaxed the simulation-realism micromanagement in favor of not driving everyone insane with pedantic bookkeeping. So for distant transfers, a guy can be 'assigned' to a post even if it would take him a week to get there on the not-simulated shuttle, but reassigning him five times in that period would not be permissible. I'd guess Aurora doesn't have an option for limiting information available to the player by the speed of FTL comms, because that would be a nightmare (judging by the the sound of those explosions, you lost the battle last year! Are you having fun yet!) but in-universe information requires ships jumping to relay strategic comms across (gateless?) jumps... at least until civilian telecomms could plausibly set up their own comm network(???) which would/could probably only happen after inter-system mining or colonization happens. This recollection may or not be totally disconnected from 'reality,' whatever that means and however we want to define it. e: That is not to suggest it someone shouldn't design and make ads/billboards for space Ferraris, Jupiter Moon theme parks w/zero-g touring boats, solid platinum yachts for billionaires and the like. Just that actually putting those designs in the game and letting them be built would lag the turn-processing to hell. silentsnack fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:A little less circumspection, and a little more live dissection! Kal-L posted:Can we at least wait until the first interrogation of one of our prisoners to see how we should treat them? Could be overthinking it, but even though Aurora has a very abstract handling of it there would probably be some difference in what 'communication' or 'society' even means to an intrinsically telepathic race. "Which orifice do we yell into?" comes up occasionally in hard(er) scifi settings, like in XCOM where you can't even interrogate an alien until after autopsying a member of the species to understand their physiology/neurology enough to know where to inject the sedatives so they calm down enough to say anything meaningful. DatonKallandor posted:That's based on what they've done and the UN research of those effects for the most part, not Mind information. Pretty much this. In previous interactions, how much did the aliens actually comprehend and how much was just echoing what the humans expected them to say and how much was stalling for time? How does their ESP even work? Do you just keep poking it with a cattle prod until it gives up the pseudoscience in a form we can understand? Even then, any information they give could be corrupted or deliberately wrong to foil interrogators, like "I breathe sulfuric acid (lol I dead now, suckas)" if they want to avoid giving any advantage. Do their lifepods run on electricity and oxygen or RESOR or something else readily available to that fleet at the rear end-end of the universe? It would be convenient if they could be kept (relatively) alive to Wodan while someone analyzes the more expendable specimens to figure out more stable environment. Otherwise just do whatever and see what happens. How do they react to goatse? Do they die from exposure to Sarah McLaughlin? Do/can they eat anything in UNIN rations and if so do they like pasta with extra habanero+psilocybin sauce? Narrative dynamics outside of game mechanics
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I almost don't want to disagree with Samolety purely on account of how annoying Chiwie's "council of weakness" and "Neville" spam gets after so many repetitions, but...Samolety posted:Can we not do genocidechat/torturechat? It never ends well. Was anyone** doing that? Is describing an extremely absurd solution to suggest "doing this will probably fail" not a valid way to discuss things? Maybe I was just giving people too much credit by assuming such reasoning was evident? **edit: I probably shouldn't indirectly speak for others here. Maybe someone does seriously want to chop it up and interrogate the pieces, and it would be wrong to discount their ideas. Samolety posted:Let's grab the pods with one of the Delphis and go from there. Maybe you've got some plan to discuss "How DO we go from there?" without hypothetical statements? That works too. silentsnack fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Mar 8, 2015 |
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Alchenar posted:But seriously, I'd love to see this play out in-thread rather than hear about the post-IRC results, and I really do think we should all just bite out tongues and let Chiwie play this out however it goes himself rather than the converge-on-worst-possible-decision group consensus forming the UN usually does. When has there ever been a consensus? How often do the players actually reverse their choice as a result of the discussion? Like most things, the relevant decision has been made and everything else is just ambiguity and fluff. Pointless bickering long after the fact, people arguing just for the sake of it, ideological broken records, and occasional sniping by smartasses with nothing substantial to contribute. It's almost like there are people exchanging words over the internet. Chiwie posted:Cancer will only make me stronger. Some parts of you, maybe.
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Volmarias posted:It's nice that tech journalists threw ""Star wars"-style" in there for absolutely no reason. Because journalists get paid to 'think' See also: scientific units such as (football field) for length, (VW beetle) mass, (Olympic swimming pools) of volume and let's not forget 'Hiroshima bomb' as a unit of energy.
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I was thinking that maybe if the entire collective of humanity pooled our resources, just maybe we could be sufficiently snide and condescending enough to sound like a misanthropic prick on the internet. Then I remembered that "On a long enough timeline...MagnumOpus posted:I would feel a lot better if we got some sort of girlfriend. Aethernet posted:The largest problem is that we don't know how the Osaka Effect is transmitted. Telepathy and MIND control work by increasing and/or modulating the growth of hair on one's elbows; nothing more, nothing less.
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Gnooble posted:Kommando, Samolety, and myself are discussing ways to perform the reveal responsibly that we can bring before UNEC. Good luck convincing them to do it in a way that doesn't make the UN look bad; as mentioned previously, it would be hard to maintain cold war tensions without a lot of pointless bluster and empty threats and jockeying/etc. and 'cooperation' is just a competition involving a third party. Zeroisanumber posted:I volunteer to make the rounds on the Sunday talk show circuit to tell the world about how we need to kill alien scum. How is this a new thing? Planning on staying sober for once? (Sorry Zapp, only being high on your ego doesn't count.)
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If the fluff machine is really that bored... someone might want to notify Fred that the piņata party got some enthusiastic criticism.
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AJ_Impy posted:On the contrary! There's also doing both at the same time. There's some kind of crass joke here involving the golden mean fallacy, but the compound-pun "brown shower/fellatio" is almost unintelligible enough to be a metaphor for actual politics. ...what did I just write? ugh. 
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Gnooble posted:We can't do fighters or carriers - we don't have the technology. Furthermore, the push for FACs is exactly as a stopgap measure to ensure the safety of Sol alone while we build the strong, mobile fleet. With all this talk of new ships and how long it would take to build them and how there are a currently lot of launcher-based ships sliding into varying levels of obsolescence... Does the Federation have any modern close-range brawlers? ...do we know about the Vishnu armaments / or see what they used against Giza003? A long time ago BG mentioned that he might allow limited use of 'mines' so: ...how quickly could those be researched/designed? What about 'buoys' with launchers and/or active sensors to beef up a picket? ...active sensor = decoys? ...could those be refueled/rearmed or kept on station for extended periods to deploy a massive swarm of angry robo-bees for maximum GET OFF MY LAWN? ...could they function as anti-missile defenses? Unless unmanned devices can be MIND-hacked, in which case these would probably be a horrendously bad idea. update: looks like a lot of this is mechanically impossible. silentsnack fucked around with this message at 13:47 on May 2, 2015 |
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Lu Yan posted:Thanks! Very helpful for illustrating my pet theory: Maybe that is what made BG seem bummed about the whole thing; the only way to figure out the chart's significance (or if it was just another red herring) would be to carry on 4Xing just as before and as would have been done without the chart at all. Jimmy4400nav posted:For those of you worrying that missile ships are obsolete...they're not. (etc etc) that's why we were designing new warships that can fire missiles with stronger warheads. Jimmy4400nav posted:Just spitballing here, but if our concern is JP defense, ...etc... I'm just thinking, we have god alpha strike capacities, why not try and capitalize more on those? Hadn't meant to exaggerate the age of the fleet in that earlier post, just that the enemy's speed advantage seems to be increasingly important. Either way we're talking about basically the same thing: take advantage of the current tech-focus. The missiles themselves will have to be rotated out anyway, with or without building/retrofitting ships. After reading some of BG's old posts, the lpwiki, aurorawiki, then eventually giving up on the scattered documentation and downloading the program to attempt Experienced crew are actually kinda useful so instead of scrapping old missiles and ships they could theoretically be used for interceptor target practice/training simulations, but probably not worth the hassle of SM-ing a redteam-blueteam fleet exercise (?) ECM is generally useless, especially at low levels and against short-range opponents(?) The "Laser Warhead" design option is decades away and probably not worth pursuing. If they even work. "Enhanced Radiation" (some hybrid cobalt/neutron bomb) will be irrelevant unless we encounter Starship Troopers bugs, or something worse like The Internet. Missiles/Probes/Drones/Buoys and whatever else are all minor variants of a "single-use doodad" (no booster-engine recycling) which can only contain sensors/fuel/engines/armor and other doodads. ...something slightly less obvious, they don't use anything like conditional orders and can't be redirected after launch, so no Voyager space probe (edit:correction, they can self-destruct on command) The enemies we've encountered have all been using either point-blank (CIWS?) or no point defense at all and against that kind of target a multistage MIRV only needs fuel+engine except for the final segment which needs agility+engine+warhead(?) ...but it would be a bad idea to assume everything follows the same pattern. silentsnack fucked around with this message at 08:40 on May 4, 2015 |
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Dr. Snark posted:Okay, how to put this...the type of ship I think the UN needs right now is a reconnaissance ship that is capable of quickly moving through potentially occupied systems while still being able to conduct sensor readings and grav surveys so that a fleet knows where to go when they launch an attack in that system. I think that does fall under the classification of "armed scout." The Endymions are designed to be "stationary" sensor platforms, and I don't think they'd work for what I have in mind unless they were heavily redesigned. Like I said before, the best comparison would be to the Shrike, but this design wold have modernized systems and be put into mass production. On the design screen, here's what I came up with after trying to replicate the tech and components in my TCW-clone file.  code:I might be repeating myself about the speed disadvantage, but with inferior engine tech it will be too slow to escape if spotted by a warship, and cannot defend itself so if it goes into enemy-occupied space it will need escorts. Lots of them. Escorts that can fight a MIND warship or three, and operate 6b km from Earth and fit through a 3900T jump window. Time to get this bureaucracy paralyzed.
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Saros posted:A Carl sagan can do everything that ship can for a fraction of the price. Gnooble posted:In regards to the gravsurvey thing - this is coming out of the yards in 8 days. And it turns out, specialization makes it better in almost every way except for being a bit slower and lacking space for sensors and Osaka defense. I'm confused about the shipyard mechanics though: with prefab components being likewise better in almost every way, it seems odd that tooling a yard seems to assume everything will be constructed on-site. Maybe the alternative would make it too easy to produce generic modular plug-and-play hulls.
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Gnooble posted:I still feel this is preferable to every person who wants to participate having to be an expert. In universe, such advice could easily be fluffed as recommendation of crew specialists. It would be up to the goon in question what final decision they make. For example, during BIDENT, I gave the optimal amount of missile fire, but David Corbett chose to fire more, he wasn't ordered to do less or censured (more than a little light ribbing) for it, but he knew his options. One might assume that in-universe characters are (usually) experienced specialists in the job they do for a living, so there is also the general knowledge they should have already, in which case the councilors would be able to give some flufftastic guidance. "In this situation, the established practice is to..." "The procedure in the UNIN Officer's Field Handbook states..." etc.
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Gnooble posted:With the MIND actively searching rather than simply reacting, a 6 hour gap should still work. The course changes seem to be keeping it relatively in line with Hakahaka, so you should still be able to keep it tracking in with longer runs between sweeps. What about changing course before switching off the active and then going on the intended course? Would it try to predict the future position assuming known variables or does it just run straight for the last known location?
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Gnooble posted:Certainly possible to do that. It appears that initially they were heading straight for last known positions, but now are attempting to predict based on what they know. Ah, so they have changed behavior...? That would explain the apparent contradiction. Do they react to transponders the same as active sensors? Might be handy to dance with them outside of detection range, if they do.
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bgreman posted:Is it not clear from the update that the contact has changed behavior? The last bit is specifically about that, including Wolz pointing it out to the audience. Having reread it without massive brain fatigue... this explanation actually does make sense. Most of yesterday was spent trying to make sense of (poorly) machine-translated documents so my reading comprehension was probably on par with a senile spacebook grandma.
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Aethernet posted:Treating prisoners of war as effectively hostages when confronted with a superior force is a strong tactic. The alternative is opening up with, "We have your people. Would you like to start negotiating for their return?" in order to buy time for the fleet to return. It effectively means the same thing, but may stimulate a different reaction. It doesn't even require an explicit threat... "one of yours is on this ship" kinda goes with "when things explode, nearby things which are alive stop being alive" to deliver the same message without deliberately escalating tensions. Chiwie posted:(9:07:47 PM) Chiwie1: *add to 1: Obviously we cover the pod in all the explosives we have. If we die, the lemon headed Nevilles go with us. Has 'Neville' degenerated into generic term for anyone you don't like?
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Glory of Arioch posted:let's not say things we can't take back now Examiner A: "Are you sure this isn't just an extra esophagus?" Examiner B: "No... why?" Examiner A: "I'm calling for backup. Again."
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Could compromise and wait for a good breakpoint to put the mechanical simulation on hold to let the fluff/exposition/bickering/etc keep going. Maybe even run with "the laws of reality are suddenly and inexplicably changing" in as an in-universe event.
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Crazycryodude posted:BG has outright said in IRC that there's no way in hell we're getting engines until the end, he/Beef are afraid that we might decide to deal with the Beef problem a little.... violently once we've got the engines. Also try and get some concessions from the Federation, since they are almost certainly going to demand an equal share of everything regardless of the Labyrinth thing. One other thing to ask for... supposedly Kaavi-or-whoever-it-is that possesses godlike powers can construct anything out of their nanomachines-or-whatever, so maybe they could duplicate the entire ship (including another Beef) so Earth's explorers can 'liberate' any machines they come across? Nothing can possibly go wrong!
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Speaking of automaton technology... Can the they reproduce or be replicated? Is there some commodity/resource/service they find valuable, which could be used to establish trade? If they are fully sentient+sapient and have individual free will, how long before extra-liberated bots start showing up in Cornucopia and/or ebay? Yep: countdown to robodrugs. Leave no society un-ruined. Perfect space-drama for the bored eldritch internet to spectate.
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Crazycryodude posted:Any materials we desperately need that we could scrap the wrecks for? Good Publicity
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