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Affi: Dec 18, 2005; Break bread wit the enemy

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To beat the Reds we need good ground force commanders! Sign me up!

# ¿ Mar 24, 2013 21:32

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 15:51

Affi: Dec 18, 2005; Break bread wit the enemy

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So what is the general battleplan for our fleets? If I understand correctly our forces are split in four parts?

# ¿ Mar 24, 2013 22:46

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Seriously if we destroy or run off the blockade we cannot stay there with just our destroyers. We'd get mangled.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2013 09:47

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bgreman posted:

Just to clarify, Ground Force commanders are those in charge of ground units (like the newly trained 84th Mobile Infantry Battalion). The references to "new toys" and "Launch buttons" makes it seem like there might be the belief that Ground Force commanders are in control of the UN's missile bases. Those are Naval facilities commanded by naval officers.

Naw, I still want to be a GFC, though i'd rather be posted somewhere were I might see action then as a garrison for some podunk moonbase or asteroid.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2013 22:15

Affi: Dec 18, 2005; Break bread wit the enemy

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We should definitely state our right to do things as a sovereign nation not beholden to their bullying tactics.

# ¿ Mar 26, 2013 17:49

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"You have five minutes to disperse this illegal blockade or we will be forced to open fire upon you."

# ¿ Mar 26, 2013 19:22

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Okay! So this is going to end well for my dude on Saturns loving moon. Isn't Saturn Federation territory?

I'm going to get bombed to dust

# ¿ Mar 27, 2013 08:57

Affi: Dec 18, 2005; Break bread wit the enemy

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From Colonel Affi's Personal Journal:

Ah, my first posting. ~~Beautiful Scenic~~ Horrid rocky ball smaller then Spain. We play better football here though. Real football as i'm happy to remind the US marines stationed to my command. (Micro-grav football is a treat for any commander because it keeps your soldiers morale high with little cost.) Life off world can otherwise be harsh for the young men and women of Mimas Garrison, the lack of any real off base comforts can take their toll. Combat drills and a familiarization with our new TN weapons and equipment take up most of their time. Meetings with skeevy BP execs take up most of mine.

Relations with the Freds have been strained recently and as this is basically their colony that we're squatting on, and while a shooting war is unlikely, I want my soldiers to be ready for any minor skirmishes that may occur, i've ordered our patrols to excersize extreme caution and not to grandstand any Fred patrols. Calm and professional. That's the ticket.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2013 10:25

Affi: Dec 18, 2005; Break bread wit the enemy

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Crazy talk. Its not an option to just kill off billions and billions of people like that. No. We'll beat the Freds in space and their power on earth will crumble.

# ¿ Mar 28, 2013 22:35

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We shouldn't break the Mars Treaty any more then we already have. We have member countries that can switch sides to the Freds or go neutral if we gently caress up our public opinion too much. Taking millions of workers and taxes and materials and factories with them.

The fight for earth is taking place among the stars but earth still has most of our infrastructure.

# ¿ Mar 29, 2013 12:21

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Added Space posted:

Did you miss the fact that we just set up on ordinance stockpile on the moon? Might be a little tricky to access if another fleet is breathing down our necks, but it should be out of range of Federation PDCs at least.

Are we sure its out of range of the Fed PDCs? Because going there to reload might be tricky if they can fire on us. Though Earth ... well maybe they won't engage in open hostilities on Earth..

# ¿ Mar 29, 2013 18:29

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I'm totally looking forward to when in a couple of years (real time) we stumble upon an agressive alien race and we have to team up with the Federation to combat them.

# ¿ Mar 30, 2013 17:00

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I just love that a couple of days ago we were discussing our supremacy over the pitiful Freds military and now we're about to lose our entire task force.

# ¿ Mar 31, 2013 10:49

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So really why did we decide to let these guys into optimal range? I thought that we were faster then their Skory at least.

# ¿ Mar 31, 2013 19:19

Affi: Dec 18, 2005; Break bread wit the enemy

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We should hang out our captains publicly and have them shoulder the blame for the "debacle that led to the unfortune losses of life on both sides of our peaceloving nations." Heads will roll but at least nukes won't fall.

# ¿ Mar 31, 2013 21:50

Affi: Dec 18, 2005; Break bread wit the enemy

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Well.. it IS the Red Planet so..

We really have no choice. The Feds can bomb the poo poo out of our fleets and then annihilate our colonies anywhere and then we're hosed and stuck on earth.

It's a good deal, it lets us save face (some). We'll likely lose a couple of nations on earth too, but if we expand to other systems they will probably stay around.

# ¿ Apr 1, 2013 09:04

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In my opinion. Signing up with the BFM was a stupid idea from the get go. We should have fought them alongside the Freds and cashed in on any goodwill resulting from that. This is really the best way this conflict ends. A minor skirmish. Same number of ships lost. And concessions from our side because we hosed up from the get go.

Gamestart spoilers: What are the odds of us running into the alien races? The universe is pretty big, right? Are you controlling them too? Is this too early to ask?

# ¿ Apr 1, 2013 09:47

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Did noone consider or raise doubt about our anti-missile system not being able to actually function as an anti missile system? I mean I have no idea about game mechanics and it's not about pointing fingers (it is about not having this happen again) but surely someone here knows the game and the mechanics involved and could have pointed out that "uh guys we will actually not see their missiles until it is too late and also we have like a 1/10 shot of hitting their missiles with ours"

# ¿ Apr 1, 2013 13:00

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So we lose Mars, we keep Venus (good mining, though eh, hard to actually mine) and Jupiter (future fleet base?) And then we expand into other systems. Hopefully gaining some advantage this way.

# ¿ Apr 1, 2013 18:48

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We should accept.

# ¿ Apr 1, 2013 22:12

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We are obviously way too reliant on missile technology. Why not build � few designs using railguns or lasers?

Whoever is suggesting we get a dedicated sensor ship should consider that its � big "shoot this to make sure their fleet is worthless"

Affi fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Apr 2, 2013

# ¿ Apr 2, 2013 08:16

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I have no idea who these idiots are who keep thinking Earth will not always and forever be the beating heart of mankind. Sure we might in time create different centras for production and mining and shipbuilding. But Earth man. We can never give up on earth.

# ¿ Apr 5, 2013 08:52

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DagPenge posted:

UNDOT would like to ask the rest of the UN not to create a situation where the Federation attacks our civilian ships, it is hard enough to catch up to the Feds already and I would be sad if we had to escort our freighters

This is the right response. Maybe one day privateers will be a good Idea but not when there is so very very little commercial shipping (or actual shipping) we'll just end up stuck in sol if we do this now.

# ¿ Apr 6, 2013 19:06

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I am all for a normalization of relations between us and the Feds. We should not support the BFM with arms. We can support them with non-military goods and supplies to help stave off a humanitarian catastrophy on Mars.

The pirate ship is not a good idea. The Feds WILL do the same to us because they are not dumb and our shipping is waaaaay more fragile then theirs.

# ¿ Apr 7, 2013 13:26

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Alchenar posted:

Yeah but as I said, we've unwittingly built a fleet of ships that are great for escort duty and not good for anything else.

Do we want to continue building them as we get more then 19 freighters that need escorting? Do we want BG to manually escort each and every single one of our freighters with a destroyer? (maybe there is a way to automagically attach a escort ship to a freighter i dunno)

# ¿ Apr 7, 2013 14:29

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Then I vote for the guy that doesn't support space piracy!

# ¿ Apr 7, 2013 14:53

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Tanks and weapons are one thing. Thousand tonnes warships are quite another. I can see us sponsoring privateering LATER. Once we've expanded past the solar system. Not now though. Definitely not now.

# ¿ Apr 7, 2013 18:54

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Innocent_Bystander posted:

We need names for the next two El Dorados, and I don't have any on hand.

The Magellan and The Columbus? (Though its a slight switch in naming policy) (I like famous explorers naming exploring vessels though)

Otherwise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_rush some naming ideas I guess.

# ¿ Apr 8, 2013 10:12

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Can I switch from Ground Commander to the queu for Naval Officer?

# ¿ Apr 8, 2013 13:59

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Can you build new labs? Should we?

# ¿ Apr 9, 2013 09:05

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Okay good, good, I'm really bad at reading those production tabs. Excel sheets usually just make me fall asleep

So all these cool explanations BG has been writing about our research goals (the fluff) is that saved anywhere? Should we? I mean if I'm navigating the Wiki correctly I can't find it and it'd be cool if it had like a research tab where we list all our research and the ones that are discovered but not done and stuff. Along with his good fluff.

# ¿ Apr 9, 2013 12:26

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Alchenar posted:

No, here's the primary drawback - it allows the Federation to concentrate their fleet against targets with impunity. It means that in order to win a war each monitor needs an accompanying fleet powerful enough to to defeat the entire Federation Navy. That's just not possible.

Monitors are a great idea and I approve their construction, but ultimately fleet doctrine has to work around a fleet-in-being that can maintain contact with the Federation cruisers and either defeat them if they separate or keep pace with them and block their movement towards a target.

But this wouldn't be such a problem if A) Our Monitor can outrange any fed vessel at jump points or at static locations. B) We use jumppoints as chokepoints. Right?

# ¿ Apr 9, 2013 14:16

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Innocent_Bystander posted:

Not at all. You can't make mines with anything but missiles. Depending on how long we make their reactor life and don't bother with fancy circle patterns we can just dump a dozen on a jump point and replace them twice a year.

Or you could have an even shorter shelf life and just have a scout on the other side. Enemy approaches? Pop through, deploy minefield and hope they follow you.

# ¿ Apr 9, 2013 15:05

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EclecticTastes posted:

Our asteroids all have cordons, don't they? If not, we can just get the lawyers to say that jump points count as celestial bodies and are thus subject to the same "finders keepers" rules as other resources. This might require us to build a permanent jump gate to make a formal claim, I forget the exact lnguage of the treaty.

We also need a navy that can actually back up our "finders keepers losers weepers" policy.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2013 22:05

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Jimmy4400nav posted:

Basically we can't just annex everything by finders keepers rules, this treaty we made with Fred was designed to explicitly stop that. If we want a whole system, by advice would be to make a line layer ship and offer to build a gate to a different system for Fred in exchange for them recognizing our sole claim to a system. Otherwise we're breaking a treaty we made to explicitly stop that kind of behavior, and we'll look even more stupid, and corrupt in the international eye, and unlike in the Federation ,that matters in the UN.

Exactly my thoughts. Strike a deal with the Feds, on good terms, maybe even share system surveys with them if we are so far ahead in jump theory.- (we are probably not)

"Oh hey, we surveyed three systems and we would like to colonize this one all by ourselves. If this is ok with you we will share our surveys on the other two with you and you can have lone rights to one of them"

# ¿ Apr 13, 2013 09:44

Affi: Dec 18, 2005; Break bread wit the enemy

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I had a dream about one of our cruisers exploring another system, skirmishing with a Federation ship, and a huge alien ship appears and destroys both. Our weapons being useless. The end of mankind.

What i'm saying is I have weird dreams.

# ¿ Apr 14, 2013 09:40

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Coolguye posted:

The first scouts will necessarily have to go in without military backup due to the fact that our first jump drives will only support like 2.25kt. That's barely enough for a sensor package. We do not have the luxury of having our scouts constantly ask Dad for directions.

Our first scouts will need to largely act alone, so we should give them instructions like:
1. All stop for 5 minutes upon arrival
2. Silent running (~10% speed or something) to the nearest celestial body, passive sensors only.
3. At 100m klicks from JP, full engines and sensors authorized.
4. In case of hostile contact, flee to dark space. Do not return to JP while pursued.
5. If escape is impossible, scuttle craft with all hands aboard.

I don't mean this as a complete proposal, more a framework.

This should definitely be our SOP. Very well thought out and safe. I like safe. SAFE IS GOOD.

loving aliens.

# ¿ Apr 17, 2013 21:52

Affi: Dec 18, 2005; Break bread wit the enemy

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I have a couple of questions. So we know (or suspect) that the Feds are building up towards fighters and therefore probably carrier groups. Should we do the same? How should we work to counter it?

How many tonnes does a carrier have to be to be worthwhile and how long until we can build one, theoretically.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2013 17:15

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Watch us recruit another spy.

# ¿ Apr 20, 2013 10:31

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 15:51

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It looks and feels good!

# ¿ Apr 27, 2013 01:02

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