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Do any of you other commercial guys with quite a few hours ever look back and wonder how anyone ever let you loose with 40 or whatever, in public airspace? I find myself doing that a lot lately, after having been instructing for a while now.
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| # ? May 17, 2012 12:38 |
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Yes. Luckily I did my flight training under a Class B so I was always very comfortable with talking to controllers and asking for help if I was unsure about something or felt I was lost. I cringe at how cocky I was. Also its scary how the most arrogant pilots I usually encounter seem to be private pilots who recently got their IR, or who never even bothered to get it. The worst ones can be private pilots who own their own planes. It's not all of them, but the worst offenders belong to this group. It would be harmlessly annoying if they were not so dangerous. As a CFI you meet a bunch of them when they go for their biennials and treat you like they are doing you a favor letting you into their airplane. This guy enjoyed giving advice and being all  about his experience:http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=137118 That day I was refusing to fly and he waltzed into his 185 like he was Maverick. Shame for those kids onboard. Anyways, I think being a CFI was the most humbling and significant experience of my career and I would hope everyone who wants to be a professional at least tried it. I was listening to some commercial students bitch and moan about the law taking effect next year for ATP regional FOs. I wanted to punch them, because I am so glad I paid my dues and worked my way up as a CFI and doing hard jobs. Animal fucked around with this message at May 17, 2012 around 13:36 |
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Scared pilots are the best pilots
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| # ? May 17, 2012 13:44 |
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Animal posted:As a CFI you meet a bunch of them when they go for their biennials and treat you like they are doing you a favor letting you into their airplane. It's fun reminding them that you really are not obligated to sign the flight review just because they gave you money. If they were really bad I would at least throw how bad they were in my log books remarks and why you didn't sign them off as a cya. I really enjoyed being a CFI as it taught me a ton, got to do some cool things, and led me to become a check airmen with my airline. I think in the general sense the ATP rule is a bit harsh specifically the ATP x-country requirement is really hard to get. Mandating a 1200-1500 hour highering limitation might be a bit more in order. Hopefully it would also step up demand for regional pilots, and help get a less bullshit starting wage,and benefits ect. Captain Apollo posted:Scared pilots are the best pilots Hardly, if your afraid of something you make mistakes just as much as a cocky pilot does. Fear is the mind killer, and all that. Respect for the consequences of poor decision, and for respect your operating environment make the best pilots. Bar none the guys of flown with that are scared of their shadows are my least favorite people to fly with. EDIT: if you mean learning from the mistakes that you make that scare you certainly, but if fear is one of the main factors in your ADM, then I stand besides what I said above. Ferris Bueller fucked around with this message at May 17, 2012 around 14:54 |
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I think Captain Apollo is going after the motorcycle thing. And I agree with him entirely. If you ever stop worrying, it's time to quit. That said, the pilot community has the worry built in. With checklists, and procedures. Mandated inspections, etc.. I find checklists a little silly, as my "rider worry" translates to airplanes very well. If you lose that worry, you should stop. It's that worry that lets you identify carb icing before it actually becomes a problem.
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brendanwor posted:Do any of you other commercial guys with quite a few hours ever look back and wonder how anyone ever let you loose with 40 or whatever, in public airspace? I find myself doing that a lot lately, after having been instructing for a while now. All the time. I look back at 16-year old me, fresh glider pilot license in hand, and wonder just how the hell both my classmates and I managed to survive (well, most of us anyway  ). Seriously, because we were the top performers in our respective Air Cadet squadrons, we thought we were all loving Maverick. To make things worse, everyone around us, from our peers to the officers, put us on a pedestal and almost expected us to be that way; it caused a number of us to develop some really bad attitudes.Come to think of it, I look back on every major milestone in my flying career so far and think of just how much I've learned since then. MrChips fucked around with this message at May 17, 2012 around 19:14 |
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I passed my standardization evaluation flight today, so I get students... well, could be as early as tomorrow. Fresh student pilots that have never flown. Hooooly poo poo. This is gonna get real, real fast.
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| # ? May 17, 2012 23:05 |
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brendanwor posted:Do any of you other commercial guys with quite a few hours ever look back and wonder how anyone ever let you loose with 40 or whatever, in public airspace? I find myself doing that a lot lately, after having been instructing for a while now. I wonder why someone cut me loose on the flying public sometimes. I think what you're describing makes you a good pilot. Self evaluation is really key to continuously improving in your piloting no matter your experience level. Like you said though the private cert. is a license to learn, and in my opinion each subsequent rating a more advance license to learn. Nerobro posted:I think Captain Apollo is going after the motorcycle thing. And I agree with him entirely. If you ever stop worrying, it's time to quit. That said, the pilot community has the worry built in. With checklists, and procedures. Mandated inspections, etc.. I see what your saying, I just think words like worry, scared, ect. are the wrong words, especially for a professional pilot. If I was constantly worried every time I flew I would be a walking peptic ulcer, and if you're worrying for fun, how can that be fun? Ferris Bueller fucked around with this message at May 18, 2012 around 03:15 |
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http://www.amazon.com/The-Killing-Z...s/dp/007136269X they recommended this book to us, i still need to read it.
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| # ? May 18, 2012 05:27 |
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The Slaughter posted:http://www.amazon.com/The-Killing-Z...s/dp/007136269X they recommended this book to us, i still need to read it. purchased
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| # ? May 18, 2012 05:32 |
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Captain Apollo posted:Scared pilots are the best pilots Nerobro posted:I find checklists a little silly, as my "rider worry" translates to airplanes very well. I didn't realize that an MSF course completion card and a 45 minute discovery flight qualifies you to judge how good of a pilot you are. LOL checklists, don't they know that I'm a motorcycle rider?
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| # ? May 18, 2012 10:47 |
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Yeah, that was pretty  reading what he wrote.
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| # ? May 18, 2012 13:36 |
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brendanwor posted:wonder how anyone ever let you loose with 40 or whatever, in public airspace? I'd like to know how everyone avoids complacency with your skills after time goes by. http://www.planecrashinfo.com? Question for controllers...Is it aggravating when you have VFR flights that're using victor airways to get around? I'd assume it'd increase your workload to avoid us. copperblue fucked around with this message at May 18, 2012 around 18:26 |
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Ferris Bueller posted:I see what your saying, I just think words like worry, scared, ect. are the wrong words, especially for a professional pilot. If I was constantly worried every time I flew I would be a walking peptic ulcer, and if you're worrying for fun, how can that be fun? I'm open to other words that could be used. Worry, fear, scared, are things that describe what you should be. You should be scared of death. You should worry that your engine will quit. You should fear the person crossing your flight path. You should be prepared for all of those. Perhaps it's a frame of mind thing. If I'm not worried about it, I won't check it. If I don't check it, it can catch me off guard. If I am caught off guard, we're having a bad day. Then again, if you're consumed by fear, you shouldn't be doing it either. :-) I have friends who I don't want riding motorcycles on both ends of the scale. The fearless are bad, the scared stiff are bad. Rekinom posted:I didn't realize that an MSF course completion card and a 45 minute discovery flight qualifies you to judge how good of a pilot you are. LOL checklists, don't they know that I'm a motorcycle rider? Thanks. I think you've described me and my entire life experience very well. I have a new found appreciation for my inability to judge any situation in life where what I'm doing could immediately cause my own, or my passengers death. Thank you. Nerobro fucked around with this message at May 18, 2012 around 20:49 |
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copperblue posted:I'd like to know how everyone avoids complacency with your skills after time goes by. http://www.planecrashinfo.com? There are lots of things you can do. Plain and simply, flying more often (and going to places/doing things you don't see often) is a good way of fighting off complacency - basically, taking yourself out of the familiar and taking on a new challenge, even if it's just going to an airport you've never been to before. If the weather's bad, go out to the airport and do some hangar flying. If you've got a bunch of downtime on a nice day, grab a drink and your groundschool textbook of choice and go sit outside and review a chapter or two. For a bigger project, go upgrade your license or get a new rating. Even just getting in the aircraft with an instructor will do wonders for fighting off complacency.
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copperblue posted:I'd like to know how everyone avoids complacency with your skills after time goes by. http://www.planecrashinfo.com? Fly as much as possible (easier said than done if you aren't flying commercially) Constantly be upgrading your skill set with new ratings and endorsements Talk to guys more experienced than you and try to absorb what they say Do a lot of reading, always try to be learning something
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copperblue posted:Question for controllers...Is it aggravating when you have VFR flights that're using victor airways to get around? I'd assume it'd increase your workload to avoid us. It has never bothered me. It's a completely legitimate way to get around. Plus you're not cruising at an IFR altitude, so you normally won't cause a conflict.
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The Ferret King posted:It has never bothered me. It's a completely legitimate way to get around. Plus you're not cruising at an IFR altitude, so you normally won't cause a conflict. This, and from what I've seen you guys are the only ones on them for the most part.
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| # ? May 19, 2012 03:52 |
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And if you're on flight following anyway then they'll even call you out to the IFR traffic and vice versa (and why wouldn't you use flight following while on an airway?). And super convenient if you run into some bad weather and need to pick up up an IFR clearance!
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Yeah especially if you're flying around a less populated area, you're probably going to be the only one on the airway to begin with. Lots of IFR traffic goes direct, or nearly direct to their destination outside of the busier terminal areas. Go nuts with the airways, they're totally cool.
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| # ? May 19, 2012 04:21 |
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Flying low between CA and AZ or CA and NV, the airways are basically your only terrain avoidance option anyway!
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| # ? May 19, 2012 06:43 |
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Nerobro posted:I'm open to other words that could be used. Worry, fear, scared, are things that describe what you should be. You should be scared of death. You should worry that your engine will quit. You should fear the person crossing your flight path. Yeah, sorry still not buying it the way you worded it, until you said prepared. Either way fear is not what motivates me to be ready for a problem arising, nor does worry cause me to run the same set of checklists 6 times a day. It comes out of a respect for what has happened in the past, a respect for my passengers who payed for a safe passage, and a respect for myself and the others that I could harm by careless action on my part. If you want to call that worry then I guess your definition of actually being worried is different then mine.
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Any naval aviators in here? I saw a few listed on the first page, I wonder if they are still around or follow this thread. I'm not one yet but I'm on my way!! I did my first solo ever a month or so ago and now I'm in another ground school. What is flying a turboprop like? that is what I move onto next and I feel like the learning curve is going to be loving tremendous
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Bob A Feet posted:Any naval aviators in here? I saw a few listed on the first page, I wonder if they are still around or follow this thread. Sounds awesome man. Are you doing IFS then (do they even still do that?) or primary?
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Octoduck posted:Sounds awesome man. Are you doing IFS then (do they even still do that?) or primary? Haha yeah they still do. I finished it a month ago-- pretty neat for never having even ridden in a small plane. I solo'd a Cessna 150 in less hours than I solo'd driving a car! I just started API last week, and then after that I am going to primary.
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Sweet, I went through API and primary in 2009. Stationed up in Lemoore now. Are they still flying the T-34 or has everyone moved on the the T-6B?
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Octoduck posted:Sweet, I went through API and primary in 2009. Stationed up in Lemoore now. Are they still flying the T-34 or has everyone moved on the the T-6B? They just retired the last T34 squadron out of Milton last month, They are all flying T-6B's there now. In Corpus they are still flying the T34 and its still the reference for API. The Air Force flies T-6A's-- I think that's what the FO's fly here in Pensacola and its what our exchanges fly in Vance. How long does primary take?
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| # ? May 22, 2012 00:16 |
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1.9 dual given today in the logbook. this marks a new chapter in my aviation career and whatnot 
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| # ? May 22, 2012 23:11 |
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So I got that The Killing Zone book and read a bunch of it today. It is incredibly poorly written. Rife with typos, sloppy organization, repetition, and inconsistencies. I think I actually want to return it, it's so loving bad.
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Really? That's a shame. I haven't had time for it yet but wanted to dig in
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The Slaughter posted:1.9 dual given today in the logbook. this marks a new chapter in my aviation career and whatnot Congrats, what was your first lesson?
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The Slaughter posted:1.9 dual given today in the logbook. this marks a new chapter in my aviation career and whatnot It's fun isn't it. I really enjoy teaching other people how to fly, or how to fly better. Either way have fun and don't become the bitter instructor.
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The Slaughter posted:1.9 dual given today in the logbook. this marks a new chapter in my aviation career and whatnot Congrats, good luck, and don't be afraid to tell students if they need to wear deodorant or brush their teeth. Don't be a jerk about it, just explain its cockpit etiquette and actually important for their career.
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DNova posted:So I got that The Killing Zone book and read a bunch of it today. It is incredibly poorly written. Rife with typos, sloppy organization, repetition, and inconsistencies. I think I actually want to return it, it's so loving bad. Printed or Kindle? Many Kindle editions of books are awfully made that way.
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Bob A Feet posted:They just retired the last T34 squadron out of Milton last month, They are all flying T-6B's there now. In Corpus they are still flying the T34 and its still the reference for API. The Air Force flies T-6A's-- I think that's what the FO's fly here in Pensacola and its what our exchanges fly in Vance. Sorry I got side tracked. I took about 10 months for primary, but I'm sure it is a bit faster now that they aren't so reliant on the aging and ever so unsafe T-34C.
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Octoduck what do you fly? I went to a job fair a few weeks ago and one of the guys was a former F-18 pilot. Trying to get a job for the same regionals I was. That blew my mind
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BonzoESC posted:Printed or Kindle? Many Kindle editions of books are awfully made that way. brand new hardcover.
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brendanwor posted:Congrats, what was your first lesson? Pattern work... forward slip, power off 180, soft fields short fields etc Then today I had a 6am sim where i taught him how to use a garmin 430 and did some VOR work (at the private pilot level, but he was pretty solid on it, surprisingly). 8m flight, but he took awhile to get going and then we taxi'ed out to the runup area and the alternator wasn't working right, so we taxi'd back, maint looked at it and said the battery was low and the alternator was probably dying... which explains why it didn't start so easily, I think. Unfortunately, too much time had elapsed and so I had to cancel the flight because swapping airplanes wasn't an option at that point, quick lunch break and then flight with 2 more students (one flies, while the other backseats, then the other flies). They were fairly fresh into their PPL training and couldn't do any of the crosswind landings unassisted, hell I had to go around on one as the wind started picking up ("See, even flight instructors go around!"), after the first student finished, I asked the second student if he wanted to go up given the conditions he just saw and he was like "yes i want to try crosswind landings", then we get outside the airplane and he feels the wind gusting up and lost his nerve so we cancelled and I was glad, honestly, it was too much for fresh pilots to handle. It provided lots of teachable moments though - like sometimes the ATIS may say one thing, and you take off and there's a new atis and the windsock is going like crazy. And the students had no idea how to do a crosswind correction while taxiing, so I explained that, and really had no idea how to do landings so I used my extra free time to cover some of the stuff in chapter 8 of the airplane flying handbook and did a ground lesson on crosswind landings and landings in general... and gave them that chapter as homework, hopefully they read it...
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Animal posted:Octoduck what do you fly? I fly C model Hornets. There are a couple of guys here on their way out, scrounging around for jobs as well.
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Octoduck posted:I fly C model Hornets. There are a couple of guys here on their way out, scrounging around for jobs as well. Around how much time do you guys build in the F/A-18 by the time you are on your way out? Is the center-line thrust thing a problem for counting your multi-engine time when looking for civilian work?
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