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Just got back from my flight at W00 a little bit ago. It was delayed an hour as they weren't giving out squawks due to the space shuttle flying over DC. Saw it off in the distance when I pulled into Freeway, ten minutes later it flew almost over the airfield. Was loving awesome. Had an F-16 escort. Lesson was fantastic. Went out south of Annapolis and did some slow flight, stalls, steep turns, then went back and did my first pattern work! After the first landing the instructor didn't believe it was my first ever landing so that made my day! Next two landings weren't as smooth as the first but I think they were acceptable considering where I'm at training wise. I love flying!
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| # ? Apr 17, 2012 19:31 |
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Rickety Cricket posted:Was loving awesome. Had an F-16 escort. Not to be a total sperg, but wasn't it a T-38?
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| # ? Apr 17, 2012 22:05 |
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Spergin' about aircraft in this thread is acceptable.
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| # ? Apr 17, 2012 22:37 |
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simble posted:Not to be a total sperg, but wasn't it a T-38?
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| # ? Apr 17, 2012 23:12 |
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Just got back from my first night-flight (Night Rating is separate from the PPL in Canada), just did 6 circuits with an instructor. It is really cool being up there at night! Fewer ground distractions, calm air, awesome lights from the city. Plus we ended up having to hold just north of the airport by doing orbits while "CanForce 1" (PM's jet) landed, that was kinda neat, as was seeing the police-escorted motorcade driving down the ramp from the air. So many flashing lights!
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| # ? Apr 18, 2012 04:21 |
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simble posted:Not to be a total sperg, but wasn't it a T-38? I'll allow it. It was a speck next to the 747. I'll revise my statement to military jet escort (F16 is my default as I'm not to into military planes).
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| # ? Apr 18, 2012 04:38 |
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Desi posted:Just got back from my first night-flight (Night Rating is separate from the PPL in Canada), just did 6 circuits with an instructor. It is really cool being up there at night! Fewer ground distractions, calm air, awesome lights from the city. Plus we ended up having to hold just north of the airport by doing orbits while "CanForce 1" (PM's jet) landed, that was kinda neat, as was seeing the police-escorted motorcade driving down the ramp from the air. So many flashing lights! Ottawa right? The hardest part of the night rating I found was being constantly on the ball re: ATC commands since there are so many airlines coming in at that time and you have to use the big boy runways. Carp is great fun to fly to as well, since ARCAL is the coolest poo poo ever. Canforce 1 held for me once as I as taxing down alpha, which was pretty cool.
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| # ? Apr 18, 2012 14:24 |
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The Slaughter posted:....flying the 172 from the right. The flight school here ONLY has G1000 C172s to rent. They want me to have 10 hours of "glass" time but won't count my thousands of hours of CRJ time  but would cut it down to 5 hours of dual... Yea no thanks.
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| # ? Apr 18, 2012 14:59 |
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Rickety Cricket posted:Just got back from my flight at W00 a little bit ago. It was delayed an hour as they weren't giving out squawks due to the space shuttle flying over DC. Saw it off in the distance when I pulled into Freeway, ten minutes later it flew almost over the airfield. Was loving awesome. Had an F-16 escort. Cool, just curious who was your instructor? What tail #? (some of those fly better than others!)
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Alctel posted:Ottawa right? The hardest part of the night rating I found was being constantly on the ball re: ATC commands since there are so many airlines coming in at that time and you have to use the big boy runways. Carp is great fun to fly to as well, since ARCAL is the coolest poo poo ever. Yep, out of YOW. Definitely a tad annoying having to burn time just orbiting waiting for the bigboys to land, if I had known how long it would have taken I would have just asked to go do a lap of the city and see the 'purdy lights. I was actually getting a little annoyed with the constant shuffling around ATC was having us do until I saw the long lineup of landing lights sequenced for landing and seeing how ATC was slotting us in between them. Really came to appreciate their skills! I'm kindof looking forward to going over to Carp actually. One of my first instructors was joking about how ARCAL lets you feel like a god: "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"
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AWSEFT posted:I loved getting back into the C172. It was slow, a pitiful climber, and gave me a lot of time to look around. I almost felt like I was missing something the whole time. I don't get the 172 hate. I rented one for a joy ride to St Thomas with after a lot of time in bigger multi engines, and I had a lot of fun flying it.
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Animal posted:I don't get the 172 hate. I rented one for a joy ride to St Thomas with after a lot of time in bigger multi engines, and I had a lot of fun flying it. I wasn't hating. I enjoyed it. But I'm not goign to rent a glass C172 at the prices they wanted (plus 5 hour of dual)
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| # ? Apr 18, 2012 21:17 |
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Random question. What's the deal with insurance? If I wreck the poo poo out of an airplane I rent (and survive) am I going to have to cough up $40k? What if I land and the nose gear collapses? What if it's a bad landing or a good landing and it happens anyway?
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When you crash your car, do you pay for it? Depends: If you just have liability, anybody oyou kill is going to get money from insurance. If you have hull value coverage then the value up is covered by insurance. Right goons?
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Seems right. Although, do schools have insurance? I'm sure they must have something, although it probably doesn't cover the renter in any way. Just seemed odd. I've never heard anything about it from an instructor or anything, and never really thought about it before. Everyone knows about car insurance because it's mandatory (at least in my state), but not so for general av.
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Infinotize posted:Random question. What's the deal with insurance? If I wreck the poo poo out of an airplane I rent (and survive) am I going to have to cough up $40k? What if I land and the nose gear collapses? What if it's a bad landing or a good landing and it happens anyway? Generally, FBO's hold renters liable for the insurance deductable on the aircraft, which is normally a few thousand dollars for basic trainers, up to around $10,000 for twins. It's possible to get a renters insurance policy to cover that deductible, which is typically a few hundred bucks per year, depending on how much time you have and the amount of coverage you're wanting. If you wreck a rented airplane, the insurance company or FBO does have the ability to go after you to recoup their costs (a process known as subrogation), but whether an insurer decides to take that approach depends on a bunch of factors. Basically, keep in mind that while an FBO almost always carries insurance on their airplanes, the policy exists to protect them, not you. In cases where there's an "act of god" involved (something like a bird strike or the engine deciding to throw a rod), you might not have to pay the deductible, but since the vast majority of accidents are caused by pilot error, I'd highly recommend looking into renters insurance from AOPA or another company.
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I don't know much about the subject, and that's precisely why I pay for AOPA legal services, and used to buy renter's insurance when I was training. In the scheme of things the cost is just a drop in the bucket considering how expensive aviation is. The peace of mind is good, I always feel good when I pay for the AOPA legal services and insurance.
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FYI, if you read the fine print you'll find that AOPA insurance doesn't cover jack when you're a solo student, only when you're with an instructor or fully certificated. So if you're a student, just save the money and put it into more lessons. I went with AvemCo direct after I got my cert, as they are cheaper than the member rates AOPA gives, and cover CAP activities for free. (Also, they offer 10%/year if you do FAA wings, recurrent training, or a new rating.)
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| # ? Apr 19, 2012 00:07 |
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Infinotize posted:Cool, just curious who was your instructor? What tail #? (some of those fly better than others!) My instructor was Shean and I flew N400GE, it's got a big gold tail. It flew fine from what I can tell (6.4 hours now  ) But he was awesome and it was a really fun flight. When I flew out of there in November I flew in N6155K which was a "vfr aircraft" meaning loving everything in it was broken except the airspeed and heading, if I remember correctly. The only problem I had (with both planes!) was after shutting down I couldn't move the seat back along the rails which was super annoying. I had to climb out through the right seat. And then once my weight was off it it moved back and forth just grand. But yeah.EDIT: I'm scheduled for a 152 this Saturday, to see the difference between the two. Should be interesting. If I may pipe in I really enjoy the 172. I like the high wing, it gives you such a great view! But again I'm really low time and have never flown anything else so... EDIT: Insurance: An FBO I was/am looking at flying out of Potomac (VKX) requires renter's insurance for their students, but Freeway (W00) doesn't. They told me as long as you're a student you're covered but if you went to rent after being certified you're on your own. Rickety Cricket fucked around with this message at Apr 19, 2012 around 02:39 |
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Rickety Cricket posted:(6.4 hours now You don't say. Listen, 172 is a fine airplane. No disputing that. I have flown better and personally would rather fly a paraglider (entone take me up sometime) than be PIC of a 172. Glad you're having a blast with airplanes. Maybe someday you can be a single engine elitist like me
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It's ridiculous to be an airplane elitist. There are so few pilots as a percentage of total population. We're already all in the elite club of aviators. Every airplane is awesome. Fly whatever you can whenever you can.
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DNova posted:It's ridiculous to be an airplane elitist. There are so few pilots as a percentage of total population. We're already all in the elite club of aviators. Every airplane is awesome. Fly whatever you can whenever you can. I can't say how much I agree with this, it is extremely prevelent over here. I've met aerobatics guys who can't stand people who just use autopilot / ifr everywhere, ifr guys who refuse to go vfr as it is unsafe, twin pilots who can't stand singles, etc. Althoguh I do somethimes think I almost fall into the tailwheel elitist category as I don't really think training wheel aircraft look as good. I'd never chastise anyone for flying trycicles. Being able to get up into the air under your own control is a marvelous privilege, no matter what it is in it can be enjoyable.
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I just want to fly an aircraft that isn't older than me, just once.
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Alctel posted:I just want to fly an aircraft that isn't older than me, just once. Look to see if any flight schools have a DA-20 or a 40 you can rent. Those are fun airplanes with a stick in the center.
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Alctel posted:I just want to fly an aircraft that isn't older than me, just once. It's more fun when they are twice your age. New airplanes haven't been broken in properly like a WW2 era Beech 18. So much character. Edit: as you can probably tell from my posts I'm a fan of the 172. Are there airplanes that do stuff better, yup, but like an old trusty airplane it just works. Its sales and safety record are awesome, its economical for all it can do, and has obviously taught many of us some lessons good and bad about flying. I'm personally very thankful I learned on a steam gauge 172. Ferris Bueller fucked around with this message at Apr 19, 2012 around 14:54 |
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Found out I'm going to be starting out on super highs so all you GA folks lucked out. All kinds of excited to get going.
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Rickety Cricket posted:My instructor was Shean and I flew N400GE, it's got a big gold tail. It flew fine from what I can tell (6.4 hours now Awesome! Shean is a cool guy. My instructor was/is Danushka. That's funny, I usually like flying 55K. Was overhauled more recently, I think it climbs better than 400GE. I just flew that one to OXB last Friday. 98923 is probably the best one there, along with 89464... it's weird how you get preferences for the same type aircrafts. I still haven't flown a 152, but I've been meaning to. I want to try the arrow as well. Have fun oh and guess I should pick up some insurance
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Can anyone give me an idea how much crap I can expect to get in the mail if I join AOPA? I'd rather just have everything online, and forgo the hard copies. Did they sell your name to a ton of other places?
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fknlo posted:Found out I'm going to be starting out on super highs so all you GA folks lucked out. All kinds of excited to get going. "center, it's smooth here at fl360 but can we try 380?" 5 minutes later "center, can we go back to 360?" kmcormick9 fucked around with this message at Apr 19, 2012 around 21:48 |
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copperblue posted:Can anyone give me an idea how much crap I can expect to get in the mail if I join AOPA? I'd rather just have everything online, and forgo the hard copies. I get snail mail spam from sportys, trade-a-plane, and some others. None of it annoys me though. fake edit: holy poo poo http://content.usatoday.com/communi...e-unconscious/1   DNova fucked around with this message at Apr 19, 2012 around 16:48 |
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DNova posted:Fly whatever you can whenever you can. My local airport manager/flight instructor is rather hardcore cessna fanboy. He took a group of my cadets and told them how the Da20-C1 parked at the aiport was junk because it has a snowmobile engine (C1 has a continental). I have never understood the mindset that people like this have. How can you possibly promote aviation if you don't encourage people to fly in any way they can. Oddly enough the first question I get when meeting new flyers and mentioning the Lazair is "can I fly it?" Re: Insurance. I just paid $167 for liability and hull not in motion. Quote for renters insurance on a 150 was about $650 a year.
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DNova posted:http://content.usatoday.com/communi...e-unconscious/1 Man that's scary. Looks like loss of compression. What would cause the perfectly shaped spiral turns though? You'd think if he passed out with the autopilot on it would keep flying in a straight line.
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Donkey Congo posted:Man that's scary. Looks like loss of compression. What would cause the perfectly shaped spiral turns though? You'd think if he passed out with the autopilot on it would keep flying in a straight line. It looks like the autopilot wasn't actually engaged during the flight. If you look at the FlightAware graph, it shows the altitude wandering up and down during the flight, which would be consistent with an aircraft that's trimmed out but doesn't have an autopilot correcting the altitude every time it wanders off. The turns could be caused by any number of things that cause a slight banking tendency in level flight, but would normally be corrected by the pilot or autopilot.
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Please update the OP to CFI/CFII/MEI, thanks...  I cannot tell you all the gigantic grin I have on my face right now. It has been a long, stressful process but there is light at the end of the tunnel. ATP has no NDB stuff, so I am going to go sim for about an hour tomorrow with another flight school and just get a quick intro to bracketing and want to play around and actually try and fly an NDB approach, just because I hear it's on the Transpac interview. Trying to figure out the next step now. Not sure if I'll be instructing for ATP or somewhere else...
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The Slaughter posted:Please update the OP to CFI/CFII/MEI, thanks... Congrats! When I interviewed with Transpac about 18 months ago, they didn't have any NDB stuff on the simulator portion, but that might have changed. Also, the simulator I used for my interview was terrible. It was an ancient Frasca (set up as a Seminole), and it had flight controls that were stupidly sensitive (with a yoke that had to be kept at a bizarre angle to maintain level flight), and the trim was more of a vague suggestion than anything else.
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azflyboy posted:It looks like the autopilot wasn't actually engaged during the flight. Autopilot was on, I believe, for the portion of the flight that pilot was conscious for. Look at how he is pegged at FL270 and has a very nice flight path. Then *something* happens and autopilot decouples. The plane is trimmed a little nose-high and climbs almost 6,000 feet to nearly FL330 (above the service ceiling of that plane) over the next few hours before running out of fuel. The circles take around 15 minutes each, which is a really shallow turn. Think of how annoyingly slow a standard rate turn is and then make it 7 times slower. I think any plane would have some turning tendency in the absence of control input. As to what happened, that's anyone's guess for now. The jets who intercepted him reported that the windows were iced over and they couldn't see inside. That lends credence to the depressurization theory, but I am skeptical. If he lost pressure why didn't he dive? You have some time at that altitude before you pass out, and he should have had emergency oxygen on board anyways. I suppose it's possible that it was a slow leak and he didn't notice it and there were no alarms or anything. Based on the logs on flightaware, I really think he had a sudden medical trauma (heart attack, stroke, seizure, etc) and I think that he at some point hit the controls enough to kill the autopilot, but that he died or lost consciousness very soon after that.
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" posted:That lends credence to the depressurization theory, but I am skeptical. If he lost pressure why didn't he dive? You have some time at that altitude before you pass out, and he should have had emergency oxygen on board anyways. I suppose it's possible that it was a slow leak and he didn't notice it and there were no alarms or anything. Hypoxia is pretty subtle in the onset and by the time the guy realized something was wrong it may have too little if any useful consciousness left to do anything. Like you said medical trouble shouldn't be ruled out, but being the guy was a doc, you think he would have tried to call for help over center.
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Ferris Bueller posted:Hypoxia is pretty subtle in the onset and by the time the guy realized something was wrong it may have too little if any useful consciousness left to do anything. Like you said medical trouble shouldn't be ruled out, but being the guy was a doc, you think he would have tried to call for help over center. But the only way I could believe it was hypoxia is if the depressurization was due to a slow leak. If it happened quickly, he certainly would have known.
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DNova posted:But the only way I could believe it was hypoxia is if the depressurization was due to a slow leak. If it happened quickly, he certainly would have known. Most incidents involving pressurized aircraft and hypoxia come about as the result of a gradual depressurization, since it's far harder to notice than a rapid loss of pressure, and there are a lot more ways to cause a slow pressure loss than a rapid one. From what I can find, the Cessna 421 was only fitted with a warning light to indicate when the cabin pressure went past 10,000ft, whereas newer pressurized aircraft tend to back up the indication with audio warnings to get the attention of the pilot faster. If there was a gradual loss of cabin pressure (or if the aircraft never started pressurizing in the first place), it would be pretty easy for the pilot to miss the single warning light, and since the time of useful conciousness is relatively long at the altitudes the aircraft was climbing through, the onset of hypoxia symptoms would have been very subtle initially. Since reports were that the cabin windows were frosted over, it's sounding like a pressurization issue, since I think the C-421 uses the hot air for the pressurization system to provide a substantial amount of cabin heat as well.
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agh.... well, I guess at least he died by just falling asleep.
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