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Infinotize: Sep 5, 2003

AWSEFT posted:

Holy cow $9k for 45 hours? I also used and support not using a G1000 for initial training. When I did my ATP the DPE was telling us that he had just failed a student using the G100 because he didn't have a full and complete understanding of it.

Details: the examiner asked him to fly to a VOR w/o the G1000 and gave him the freq. The student didn't know what the RMI needle was called, jus that if he flew toward it he'd get there and didn't know how to find what radial he was on.

Yup, at 118/hr for a 172, and 50/hr for instruction. That includes money I spent on a $300 headset (not much other gear though), $400 DPE fee, etc.

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# ? May 24, 2013 22:21

Ferris Bueller: May 12, 2001; "It is his fault he didn't lock the garage."

AWSEFT posted:

Books, that is a good idea. OK, I'll start working on a list. I'm a huge advocate of the FAA publications so I'll probably list those, if anyone has other recommendations I'll take them. I know when I did my CFI checkride it was a no-no to use the RED books.

Emergency Maneuver Training by Stowell is a good one, as it the good ole Stick and Rudder: An Explanation of the Art of Flying by Wolfgang Langewiesche should still be given to every private pilot student. Though the FAA and everyone else seems to be taking the stick and rudder out of training so maybe a mute point, I just get sick of flying with new FO's* who can't land in a crosswind, don't even realize the airplane was side loaded, and will argue* with you when you point this out to them, so maybe this is for my own sanity. Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators is another really good book, though it really gets into depth with a bunch of stuff you really don't need to know.

*EDIT: I realized that sounded a bit snarky because it's fun to fly with the new guys who aren't so jaded and actually are having a ton of fun. Just don't try to prove your vast aeronautical experience by strongly denying something happened which did happen. A suggestion from a captain is meant to help you out transitioning from flying what you previously did to what you are flying now, so take it as that, don't try to make it into some sort of insult to your flying skills, and get defensive, or rude about it.

Ferris Bueller fucked around with this message at Apr 6, 2012 around 13:57

# ? Apr 6, 2012 13:41

fordan: Mar 9, 2009

AWSEFT posted:

Books, that is a good idea. OK, I'll start working on a list. I'm a huge advocate of the FAA publications so I'll probably list those, if anyone has other recommendations I'll take them. I know when I did my CFI checkride it was a no-no to use the RED books.

I wouldn't spend money on any test prep app, but that is me.

Yea, I understand. You'll love being able to pick up and get a couple hundred dollar hamburger, or just go somewhere different. The time is good if you've got the cash. lol

Apart from my Jeppensen textbook and maybe the FAR/AIM, I think the book I used most as a student was Say Again, Please. I had a bit of a phobia about talking to ATC, and that book helped me to "chair fly" my way at home through upcoming flights where I'd need to talk to a controller.

# ? Apr 6, 2012 13:42

Infinotize: Sep 5, 2003

I'll add books I read training for private:

Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge (FAA)
Airplane Flying Handbook (FAA)
Aviation Weather (FAA)
Private Pilot ASEL/ASES PST (FAA)
Private Pilot Oral Exam Guide
Gleim Knowledge test book - not the best learning tool, but drat this is good knowledge test prep
Current FAR/AIM, not for reading the whole thing obviously but a must to be familiar with

AWSEFT, what do you mean about the RED books?

I still want to read stick and rudder, and maybe that Langewiesche book. Always more to learn...

# ? Apr 6, 2012 14:21

The Ferret King: Nov 23, 2003; cluck cluck

Stick and Rudder is a great book, and also written by Langewiesche. It's a quick read too, I'd pick it up ASAP.

# ? Apr 6, 2012 14:37

DNova: Jan 11, 2006

Rod Machado's private pilot book is alright.

# ? Apr 6, 2012 16:19

Desi: Jul 5, 2007; This.
Changes.
EVERYTHING.

AWSEFT posted:

Books, that is a good idea. OK, I'll start working on a list. I'm a huge advocate of the FAA publications so I'll probably list those, if anyone has other recommendations I'll take them. I know when I did my CFI checkride it was a no-no to use the RED books.

I wouldn't spend money on any test prep app, but that is me.

Yea, I understand. You'll love being able to pick up and get a couple hundred dollar hamburger, or just go somewhere different. The time is good if you've got the cash. lol

For the

's reading, I'd like to suggest a few Canadian specific books:

-"From the Ground Up" - Included in virtually every groundschool kit, its a great all-round text book for learning to fly. It is specific to CARs, but in terms of th practical flying stuff, its a good resource for anyone.

-"Air Command Weather Manual" - Published by the Canadian Forces Air Command (now renamed back to Royal Canadian Air Force), it is THE guide to weather from what I've heard. Still need to get around to picking up a copy.

-"Flight Test Notes" - Written by a Canuck CFI, it breaks down succinctly every possible exercise/testable item on the flight test for PPL and CPL and goes through an explanation of what the standards are. I went through it before my ride and it really helped the confidence.

-"Fight Training Manual" - Transport Canada Civil Aviation publishes this book. You pretty well have to get this book, pretty well every school bases their curriculum around it. I'd read up on the relevant sections in this book as well as FTGU mentioned above before every flight lesson.

-There are also the Culhanes exam books. I hesitate to recommend them as, while I did find the one I had useful, apparently the guy who wrote them is being a HUGE douche and suing anyone that publishes free TCCA practice written tests. I also found the test-prep app by "Dauntless Aviation" as a decent alternative.

# ? Apr 6, 2012 20:45

atehist: Jun 22, 2004; fffffffff

Desi posted:

books

For those studying for the INRAT (instrument written) or SARON/SAMRA (ATPL) exams, I would very much recommend the AeroCourse books and courses.

# ? Apr 6, 2012 23:01

CraZy GrinGo: Jul 29, 2003; Veteran³

Went up this morning to redo my failed 180 auto for my commercial checkride and passed it. So now officially a commercial rotorcraft pilot with instrument rating. Setup was bad because of another helicopter flying extremely slowly in front of me in the pattern. Had to slow down to 20 knots and wait for them to get on the go. Had just enough time to drop the nose and get 60 knots airspeed before entering the auto.

Now planning on getting my CFI and CFII before the end of summer.

# ? Apr 7, 2012 01:05

The Slaughter: Jan 28, 2002; cat scratch fever

Congrats Crazy Gringo!

So my II ride is monday and then 4/16/12 for my Comm SE and CFI SE addon... Yikes!

# ? Apr 7, 2012 06:44

brendanwor: Sep 7, 2005

gently caress the training books, get back into the romance of aviation with

North Star Over My Shoulder - Bob Buck
Fate Is The Hunter - Ernest K. Gann

# ? Apr 7, 2012 12:59

two_beer_bishes: Jun 27, 2004

brendanwor posted:

Fate Is The Hunter - Ernest K. Gann

I loved reading that book!

# ? Apr 7, 2012 13:44

Zero One: Dec 30, 2004; Z is the new C

This is an odd story...

quote:

The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating a recent incident at Denver International Airport in which an air traffic controller did not appear to understand a pilot's request for an emergency landing.

The controller told a colleague that he thought the call was "BS," and maybe someone was breaking into the air traffic control tower's frequency, 9NEWS.com reports.

United Express Flight 5912 from Peoria, Ill., was evacuated Tuesday after landing at the airport. All of the passengers and crew safely evacuated the plane on the runway through the main cabin door. One passenger requested medical assistance with an unknown injury and was transported to a local hospital, according to the FAA.

An FAA report said firefighters extinguished a fire in the instrument panel. The cause of the fire was under investigation.

A transcript of the conversation between the air traffic controller and Flight 5912 reported by 9NEWS.com seems to indicate that the controller misunderstood the airliner's flight number. The FAA says the pilots didn't initially indicate their airline when talking to controllers.

According to 9NEWS.com, a voice from the cockpit, either the co-pilot or pilot, is heard saying, "Emergency, smoke in the cockpit, roll trucks please" as the plane was coming in for a landing.

A controller in the tower responds, asking, "Who was that?"

The voice responded "5912" � the flight number that air controllers were tracking.

After some confusion, the controller responds about 10 seconds later, asking: "United 12, what's your position?"

After no response, more time elapsed before the controller says, "Did you hear that? I know that's BS. I know it is." Controllers said they were not aware of a United Flight 12.

The National Transportation Safety Board said the investigation has been turned over to the FAA.

Controllers apparently realized the mistake when the pilot made another emergency call saying the plane had already landed and was evacuating on the runway. It was only then that fire trucks responded.

The FAA offered this statement to NBC News on Friday: "Although the pilots of ExpressJet Flight 5912 did not initially indicate their call sign when they contacted air traffic control to declare an emergency, the controllers were able to quickly identify and locate the plane with the help of ground surveillance equipment and immediately alert the fire department, whose first truck arrived shortly after the plane came to a full stop."

Sid McGuirk, who teaches traffic management at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Fla., said pilots are in control when there is an emergency and failure by controllers to respond would be a major violation of procedure that could result in discipline or retraining.

"They have to assume it's a real emergency, whether it's a Cessna or a 747 jumbo jet. If it later turns out to be a spoof, it's a federal crime," McGuirk said.

William Voss, president of the Flight Safety Foundation in Alexandria, Va., said pilots who declare an emergency are busy dealing with the problem, and it's easy to create confusion.

He said radios with airline frequencies are easily available and have been misused to report false emergencies.

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# ? Apr 7, 2012 13:50

Alctel: Jan 16, 2004; I love snails

Desi posted:

For the 's reading, I'd like to suggest a few Canadian specific books:

-"From the Ground Up" - Included in virtually every groundschool kit, its a great all-round text book for learning to fly. It is specific to CARs, but in terms of th practical flying stuff, its a good resource for anyone.

-"Air Command Weather Manual" - Published by the Canadian Forces Air Command (now renamed back to Royal Canadian Air Force), it is THE guide to weather from what I've heard. Still need to get around to picking up a copy.

-"Flight Test Notes" - Written by a Canuck CFI, it breaks down succinctly every possible exercise/testable item on the flight test for PPL and CPL and goes through an explanation of what the standards are. I went through it before my ride and it really helped the confidence.

-"Fight Training Manual" - Transport Canada Civil Aviation publishes this book. You pretty well have to get this book, pretty well every school bases their curriculum around it. I'd read up on the relevant sections in this book as well as FTGU mentioned above before every flight lesson.

I have all these and they are indeed excellent.

I would add

- "Human Factors in Aviation" - There are 3 of these, I just have the first one. They are an easy read and have lots of good stuff on the tricks your body can play on you, and the importance of not being tired etc.

- "Sharper Edge Solutions Exam Prep Guide" - I have the commercial pilot one of these, and it's loving excellent. It's not comprehensive (so you have to supplement it with the other stuff) but it's great for summing up a bunch of stuff, and does it in a far more organised manner than FTGU.

edit: these are also all Canadian. We love our books apparently!

# ? Apr 7, 2012 15:55

AWSEFT: Apr 28, 2006

Infinotize posted:

AWSEFT, what do you mean about the RED books?

Gleim. People read those like the bible. They are great to focus your attention for the written but it ends there.

# ? Apr 7, 2012 16:10

AWSEFT: Apr 28, 2006

Desi posted:

-"From the Ground Up"
-"Flight Test Notes"
-"Fight Training Manual"

Had trouble finding these. So I linked to Transport Canada's official pubs.

CraZy GrinGo posted:

Commercial

Congrats! Added.

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AWSEFT fucked around with this message at Apr 7, 2012 around 17:06

# ? Apr 7, 2012 16:31

Alctel: Jan 16, 2004; I love snails

AWSEFT posted:

Had trouble finding these. So I linked to Transport Canada's official pubs.

Congrats! Added.

http://www.aviationworld.net/defaul...th-edition.html

http://www.aviationworld.net/defaul...rd-edition.html

http://www.aviationworld.net/defaul...c-handbook.html

http://www.aviationworld.net/defaul...tion-guide.html

# ? Apr 7, 2012 19:08

AWSEFT: Apr 28, 2006

Alctel posted:

http://www.aviationworld.net/defaul...th-edition.html

http://www.aviationworld.net/defaul...rd-edition.html

http://www.aviationworld.net/defaul...c-handbook.html

http://www.aviationworld.net/defaul...tion-guide.html

thanks

# ? Apr 7, 2012 20:15

The Slaughter: Jan 28, 2002; cat scratch fever

CFII ride tomorrow. These loving checkrides are coming too fast and furious now. I've gone through the ASA instrument oral exam guide book, I practiced as much as I could in the sim, I hope it all just comes together. Trying to visualize success. If I pass the ride tomorrow, it's my last seminole flight as a student. Going to be very weird hopping back in the 172 for 17 hours to do the Comm Single/CFI Single (approximately planned for the 16th right now)

# ? Apr 9, 2012 06:54

Stupid Post Maker: Jan 8, 2008; the luckiest of stars

Having a check ride once a semester is bad enough for me

# ? Apr 9, 2012 14:06

leeds: Mar 8, 2012

The Slaughter posted:

CFII ride tomorrow. These loving checkrides are coming too fast and furious now. I've gone through the ASA instrument oral exam guide book, I practiced as much as I could in the sim, I hope it all just comes together. Trying to visualize success. If I pass the ride tomorrow, it's my last seminole flight as a student. Going to be very weird hopping back in the 172 for 17 hours to do the Comm Single/CFI Single (approximately planned for the 16th right now)

That sucks. Especially since a CFI check-ride success rate is like 10%. Good luck.

Stupid Post Maker posted:

Having a check ride once a semester is bad enough for me

My PPL checkride was awesome. I need more of them. I feel like I'm not "challanged" enough.

leeds fucked around with this message at Apr 9, 2012 around 18:14

# ? Apr 9, 2012 17:40

The Slaughter: Jan 28, 2002; cat scratch fever

Leeds I believe the 10% number is only for initial CFI. Anyway, I passed

# ? Apr 10, 2012 00:09

leeds: Mar 8, 2012

The Slaughter posted:

Leeds I believe the 10% number is only for initial CFI. Anyway, I passed

Holy crap! Congratulations. Tell us more about it if you want :P

# ? Apr 10, 2012 02:35

The Slaughter: Jan 28, 2002; cat scratch fever

It was a tough oral, he really wanted detail about things like what is the difference between turn coordinator and turn and slip indicator, what do they each measure, what is the turn coordinator error, you're turning left to heading 270, as you pass through 360 on the HSI, what should your mag compass read at that instant? Okay now you're headed west and you accelerate, what happens/ how many degrees? Etc. 3 hours oral but much of that was just bsing. The flight was easy as poo poo, dme arc, and two approaches of which he does one and makes mistakes and you catch em.

# ? Apr 10, 2012 03:07

ausgezeichnet: Sep 18, 2005; FUCK YOU, that's my name

The Slaughter posted:

It was a tough oral, he really wanted detail about things like what is the difference between turn coordinator and turn and slip indicator, what do they each measure, what is the turn coordinator error, you're turning left to heading 270, as you pass through 360 on the HSI, what should your mag compass read at that instant? Okay now you're headed west and you accelerate, what happens/ how many degrees? Etc. 3 hours oral but much of that was just bsing. The flight was easy as poo poo, dme arc, and two approaches of which he does one and makes mistakes and you catch em.

The gently caress? Man, hearing that makes me glad I got my CFI back in the good old days (1985) when it was just about flying from the right seat and not letting the other guy kill you.

Congrats.

# ? Apr 10, 2012 04:09

AWSEFT: Apr 28, 2006

ausgezeichnet posted:

The gently caress? Man, hearing that makes me glad I got my CFI back in the good old days (1985) when it was just about flying from the right seat and not letting the other guy kill you.

Congrats.

Congrats! Already updated to OP.

It must just be this examiner. I didn't have anything like that asked on mine either. I had some instrument questions (how it works, primary vs secondary, Dot deflection, etc) and we split the flying. He had me teach him how to do a non-precision and then made a couple mistakes for me to catch.

AWSEFT fucked around with this message at Apr 10, 2012 around 14:28

# ? Apr 10, 2012 13:57

Rickety Cricket: Jan 6, 2011; I must be at the nexus of the universe!

Can anyone recommend a good FBO in the DC area? I've been flying out of VKX but it's been a real hassle and I don't think it's going to work. Anyone have experience out here?

# ? Apr 10, 2012 16:35

Infinotize: Sep 5, 2003

I trained at w00, overall I had a good experience. It's still in the SFRA but not the FRZ like VKX. You don't need to do the background check/fingerprinting/PIN to fly there, but you get lots of ATC practice being in the SFRA, which I liked and isn't that big a deal honestly.

Small runway, lousy FBO building, good amount of 172s, couple of 152s, good CFIs.

http://www.freewayaviation.com/

Also seems like the other big school in the area is at gaithersburg KGAI and further up I95 KFME. Gaithersburg is on the same CTAF and sounds about as busy as W00.

Infinotize fucked around with this message at Apr 10, 2012 around 18:11

# ? Apr 10, 2012 18:08

kmcormick9: Feb 2, 2004; Magenta Alert

I just moved to the area and there are 3 FBOs that do training at JYO if that's not too far for you

# ? Apr 10, 2012 19:36

The Slaughter: Jan 28, 2002; cat scratch fever

AWSEFT posted:

Congrats! Already updated to OP.

It must just be this examiner. I didn't have anything like that asked on mine either. I had some instrument questions (how it works, primary vs secondary, Dot deflection, etc) and we split the flying. He had me teach him how to do a non-precision and then made a couple mistakes for me to catch.

Well luckily I studied for it and I passed, so I can't really complain...I think he just wants you to know this stuff, cause like he said, he wants you to teach it to your students. He's also a very nice examiner and if you say "I don't know" he doesn't really care as long as you have an idea of where to look for some of them. And honestly the flight couldn't have been any easier, so I was rewarded for the tough oral with a nice easy flight.

# ? Apr 11, 2012 00:57

Rickety Cricket: Jan 6, 2011; I must be at the nexus of the universe!

Thanks for the info Infinotize. I actually did one flight at W00 about 6 months ago, and I've been looking at their website thinking it may be my best option. I'm on the North side of DC so VA is kind of a hassle to get to. Would be really convenient if College Park had an FBO

# ? Apr 11, 2012 18:45

Unicom: Mar 29, 2006

Since I'm and idiot and never look at my licence I noticed my medical expires May 1 and I won't be able to do one until after then. I'm a PPL in Canada. This doesn't have some weird connection to currency does it? I just can't fly as long as I don't have a valid one?

# ? Apr 12, 2012 02:56

The Slaughter: Jan 28, 2002; cat scratch fever

I'd be really surprised if it did, based on the US. But maybe canada has funky weird rules. In the US your pilot certificate never expires, but you need a valid medical and a biennial... Maybe someone knows the Cananadian rules.
In other news, I attempted to get into the right seat of my car today after flying the 172 from the right.
It is very strange getting back into a 172 after 111 hours of seminole. It feels like a toy airplane, I intensely dislike it.

# ? Apr 12, 2012 03:35

DNova: Jan 11, 2006

Haha, to me, 172s look huge and formidable. Most of my time is in 152s.

# ? Apr 12, 2012 04:17

SCOTLAND: Feb 26, 2004

Donkey Congo posted:

Since I'm and idiot and never look at my licence I noticed my medical expires May 1 and I won't be able to do one until after then. I'm a PPL in Canada. This doesn't have some weird connection to currency does it? I just can't fly as long as I don't have a valid one?

99% sure you got it right, assuming everything else meets currency you are good to go as soon as the medical is renewed.

# ? Apr 12, 2012 04:36

Alctel: Jan 16, 2004; I love snails

Donkey Congo posted:

Since I'm and idiot and never look at my licence I noticed my medical expires May 1 and I won't be able to do one until after then. I'm a PPL in Canada. This doesn't have some weird connection to currency does it? I just can't fly as long as I don't have a valid one?

Nope, once you get it renewed you are good (as long as you meet all the other currency requirements)

DNova posted:

Haha, to me, 172s look huge and formidable. Most of my time is in 152s.

Yeah, I spend almost all my time in 150s and whenever I get into a 172 it seems so roomy and stable

Alctel fucked around with this message at Apr 12, 2012 around 18:30

# ? Apr 12, 2012 13:53

helno: Jun 19, 2003; hmm now were did I leave that plane

Alctel posted:

Nope, once you get it renewed you are good (as long as you meet all the other currency requirements

If you happen to be a Commercial pilot and your medical lapses you are still able to use your license as though it was a PPL until you hit the PPL expiry (5 years).

I prefer flying the 150/152. Never got why people like the 172 (other than the extra 2 seats).

helno fucked around with this message at Apr 12, 2012 around 16:18

# ? Apr 12, 2012 16:14

Dalrain: Nov 13, 2008; Experience joy,
Experience waffle,
Today.

Is anyone else going to Funday Sunday at Moraine in Ohio May 6th? Our chapter is going to try to fly-out, and I'd be happy to meet-n-green a goon if it works out.

Event page on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/events/184639514985845/

# ? Apr 12, 2012 18:14

Captain Apollo: Jun 24, 2003; King of the Pilots

Swimnurd lives there.

# ? Apr 12, 2012 18:40

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# ? May 24, 2013 22:21

kmcormick9: Feb 2, 2004; Magenta Alert

helno posted:

I prefer flying the 150/152. Never got why people like the 172 (other than the extra 2 seats).

Easier to fly, bigger inside for fatties, climbs better.
I like the 152 better and wish my FBO still rented them.

# ? Apr 13, 2012 11:49

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