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Skyscraper posted:How much before? I've been wanting to see a modern-day cyberpunk game, but the closest I've seen is GURPS High-Tech. Isn't "Modern day cyberpunk game" an oxymoron? I mean the very definition of it from wikipedia is: Wikipedia posted:Cyberpunk is a postmodern and science fiction genre noted for its focus on "high tech and low life."[1][2] The name was originally coined by Bruce Bethke as the title of his short story "Cyberpunk," published in 1983.[3][4] It features advanced science, such as information technology and cybernetics, coupled with a degree of breakdown or radical change in the social order.[5] Cyberpunk works are well situated within postmodern literature.[6]
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Goons posted:Vampires used to be evil badnasty with a side of coke, now their not so bad. Since 2nd Ed I've been running vamps as a disease with a LONG incubation period. Within a few days of infection they must feed on blood but it takes week for them to get regen at one box per turn, with regen two coming up a couple weeks later along with the temp stat boosting powers. After that they slowly get stronger over the course of years with vamps over twelve or so starting to aproach SR3 craziness. Bam, an easy way to explain why some vamps are hideously powerful and shun the light while others are sunbathing but don't seem to be much more powerful than normal (but can still give a troll a run for his money), and the players have a yardstick to guess relative power levels by (vamp age), and it suggests a structure for vamp society, a sortof brutal gerontocracy.
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BitBasher posted:Isn't "Modern day cyberpunk game" an oxymoron? I agree with what you're saying, but most people don't consider the technology of their time to be the kind of thing that sci-fi writers once wrote about. People think that times are bad, but I don't think they see themselves as being in a futuristic dystopia (or similar breakdown of social order).
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BitBasher posted:Isn't "Modern day cyberpunk game" an oxymoron? You could absolutely do a modern day cyberpunk game. It would be a little different from a shadow run or deus ex but honestly not too much. Set it in an always overcast Seattle and your characters could be a group that fucks with companies cyber security solely so they can approach them to fix the problem they created. Let's face it real life tech is more advanced then most things in early cyberpunk stories and our entire culture is experiencing radical change and breakdown because of the availability of the Internet and so on.
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Zereth posted:Actually it diverged somewhere around 1996 when a different president was elected, and seriously at 1999 with the food riots. They decided fairly early on that the Shadowrun future starts “now” (from the perspective of the time) and then just rolled with it. It's not so much different than, say, Escape from NY or Strange Days or any other “very near future” alternate history backstory to a Scifi setting.
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Tippis posted:…also, wasn't the Shiawase decision and the whole corp extraterritoriality/corporate court affair something that took place somewhere in the early 2000:s, like 2003 or so? The shadowrun wiki says Shiawase happened in 2000. Stuff like that is what I love about Shadowrun. There's a mostly plausible path that the world took to get like it is (and then elves and dragons showed up).
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randombattle posted:You could absolutely do a modern day cyberpunk game. It would be a little different from a shadow run or deus ex but honestly not too much. Technology always scares me when I step back and look at it. We've embraced it so thoroughly, but the future really is here, we just don't apply it to flying cars. Instead we use it to post pictures of a mans anus on image-boards. There's no wonder the older generation feels like something slipped them by, because they weren't even aware of the explosion of technology that would come from that direction in such a short period of time. It doesn't even feel like evolution, it feels like we caught up with something. And we're still catching up. I wonder what that is. It excites and terrifies me.
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It makes me wonder what my generation will be blown away by, and how to avoid it.
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Mordaedil posted:Technology always scares me when I step back and look at it. We've embraced it so thoroughly, but the future really is here, we just don't apply it to flying cars. Instead we use it to post pictures of a mans anus on image-boards. Ten years ago we were using it to post pictures of a mans anus on image-boards. Now we're using our phones (which are really just miniturized computers) to post pictures on image boards while simultaneously checking our eBay bids for TrackIR and looking for some place to text to our significant other to meet them for lunch. Like I said somewhat earlier in this thread, we are already living in a crazy cyberpunk future. That's why plugging our brains into keyboards with 1/4 inch plugs, and everybody looking like a reject from the Mudd Club seems so exotic and exciting precisely because we've passed it by.
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Can anyone comment on whether the Genesis or SNES games are worth playing nowadays for someone who never tried em before?
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I was re-watching Heat recently, and about the time they get to the shootout at the drive-in theater, I realized that that movie is basically shadowrun in present day. That shoot-out is an example of a deal gone wrong with a Company Man, something that happens on a pretty regular basis in SR. That movie is all about high-tech (for the time) mercenaries doing their thing in an urban sprawl. One of the characters is even a physically disabled hacker, like we've seen in so many shadowrun games.
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Davos posted:Can anyone comment on whether the Genesis or SNES games are worth playing nowadays for someone who never tried em before? You should play the Genesis game but don't bother with the SNES one. The Genesis is this super forward-thinking open-world RPG that holds up pretty well even today.
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Davos posted:Can anyone comment on whether the Genesis or SNES games are worth playing nowadays for someone who never tried em before? Aside from the combat being pretty cruddy, I think the SNES version is worth playing, too. Considering the library of that system, it's pretty unique and interesting, still.
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I don't know much about genesis shadowrun, but snes shadowrun had a talking dog in scene three. That's a good game right thur
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pw pw pw posted:I don't know much about genesis shadowrun, but snes shadowrun had a talking dog in scene three. That's a good game right thur The main antagonist is a talking dog... Elemental.
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Davos posted:Can anyone comment on whether the Genesis or SNES games are worth playing nowadays for someone who never tried em before? They're both good but I think the Genesis one is actually kind of amazing. It's really grindy and difficult in the beginning, however, and it has some systems that are kind of obtuse. Edit: I don't think I've ever actually beaten it. I always end up just doing a bunch of high level Shadowruns until I get bored.
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Skyscraper posted:I was re-watching Heat recently, and about the time they get to the shootout at the drive-in theater, I realized that that movie is basically shadowrun in present day. That shoot-out is an example of a deal gone wrong with a Company Man, something that happens on a pretty regular basis in SR. That movie is all about high-tech (for the time) mercenaries doing their thing in an urban sprawl. One of the characters is even a physically disabled hacker, like we've seen in so many shadowrun games. This is one of the many reasons why Heat is my favorite movie, period. After having discovered the Shadowrun wikia, I can't stop.
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Skyscraper posted:I was re-watching Heat recently, and about the time they get to the shootout at the drive-in theater, I realized that that movie is basically shadowrun in present day. That shoot-out is an example of a deal gone wrong with a Company Man, something that happens on a pretty regular basis in SR. That movie is all about high-tech (for the time) mercenaries doing their thing in an urban sprawl. One of the characters is even a physically disabled hacker, like we've seen in so many shadowrun games. I've always felt like Ronin was the Shadowrunniest present-day movie I've ever seen. It's not perfectly executed, but I think the plot serves as a pretty shining example of how a GM ought to make things go wrong in an SR campaign. Especially the ending. There's nothing high-tech about it, though.
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Castomira posted:I've always felt like Ronin was the Shadowrunniest present-day movie I've ever seen. It's not perfectly executed, but I think the plot serves as a pretty shining example of how a GM ought to make things go wrong in an SR campaign. Especially the ending. There's nothing high-tech about it, though. I dunno, I'd say the van full of tracking equipment qualifies for the high-tech part of it as far as Shadowrun is concerned. There's no matrix dream sequence or anything, but it covers enough technology being used in the plot to fit the bill of a team of runners with maglock keys and remote decker support. Ronin was such a good movie.
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2nd City Survey email arrived Choices are: Berlin Chicago Denver Hong Kong London Expanded Seattle (More of Renraku Arcology/Ork Underground/Council Island, whatever isn't already in that is) DKWildz fucked around with this message at May 10, 2012 around 22:36 |
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I went with more of Seattle, just because that seems like a much higher possibility of being smoothly integrated.
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Yeah I went with Seattle Expanded too.
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They still have airports in the Sixth World, you know.
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Skyscraper posted:How much before? I've been wanting to see a modern-day cyberpunk game, but the closest I've seen is GURPS High-Tech. There was a game back in the early '90s by Chameleon Eclectic called "Millenium's End", which was essentially "modern-day cyberpunk". The players were corporate troubleshooters for Skyscraper posted:I was re-watching Heat recently, and about the time they get to the shootout at the drive-in theater, I realized that that movie is basically shadowrun in present day. That shoot-out is an example of a deal gone wrong with a Company Man, something that happens on a pretty regular basis in SR. That movie is all about high-tech (for the time) mercenaries doing their thing in an urban sprawl. One of the characters is even a physically disabled hacker, like we've seen in so many shadowrun games. Heat is probably the best Shadowrun film, just because you get the whole range of archetypes that should be in a game: the Cowboy, who "gets his guns and go"; the Fixer, who has his legit business front and connect the talent with the information; and Johnsons who are the point of contact between the street and the corporates. However, it's probably better, because it deviates heavily into more interesting territory than published runs: in the stereotypical run, the Johnson gives the assignment and the runners do it. Instead, the Tom Noonan hacker character isn't so much a Johnson, because he just sells the information and suggested plan to rob the bank for money. He's strictly a legwork contact, but the job would never be a thought in their minds unless he sold them his data. It's up to De Niro and his crew to do everything else, but they're going to get the bulk of the money (at least after Voight launders it). So, De Niro's really his own Johnson and that's what's fascinating to me. More shadowrunners need to be more proactive than waiting for their Fixer to get them jobs. The only closest in recent memory is The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, specifically the Fincher film. I don't remember a film where the heroine sneaks into a basement to take photos of phone junctions so she can break in later and splice her hacks into it. If you really get down to it, any heist film, be it Ocean's Eleven to Fast Five, can serve as inspiration for 'runs. But Heat is by far the best. I don't think I'll ever play a Shadowrun game again unless the GM has watched Heat.
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Did any other backers not get the survey email? I just got the Kickstarter update email and that doesn't seem to have a link to the survey. What does the survey email look like?
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HondaCivet posted:Did any other backers not get the survey email? I just got the Kickstarter update email and that doesn't seem to have a link to the survey. What does the survey email look like?
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Toplowtech posted:Check your spam for a mail from jordan@hbs-studios.com They added to the bottom of the update that only 10,000 surveys can be sent per day for some reason. might be a few days.
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I went with Chicago because it sounded interesting. I wouldn't be disappointed if more Seattle won though.
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So did the Arcology go down yet in this time-frame or is it still up and running? I've pretty much narrowed my choice down to either Chicago (yay, Bug City) or more Seattle. The thought of doing runs in the Arc during the shutdown is pretty awesome, though Bug City is an entirely different experience, though with similar themes to the Arc.
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God, more fleshed-out Seattle sounds interesting. I'd like to see Council Island and the Renraku Arcology. But, Denver sounds more like a better choice, just because it's not the UCAS and has multiple factions (NAN, CAS, Aztlan).
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HondaCivet posted:Did any other backers not get the survey email? I just got the Kickstarter update email and that doesn't seem to have a link to the survey. What does the survey email look like? It showed up in my Gmail inbox as "Shadowrun Returns Second City Survey" from "jordan@hbs-studios.com via surveymonkey.com". It's just a few lines of text and a URL to the survey on surveymonkey.com
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Dapper Dan posted:So did the Arcology go down yet in this time-frame or is it still up and running? I've pretty much narrowed my choice down to either Chicago (yay, Bug City) or more Seattle. The problem with the arcology is that by the rules it's literally impossible to survive. The drones in there had enough armor that no handheld weapons could penetrate no matter how well you roll, so you die. Bug City had the same issue since every true form spirit had double its force in hardened armor. The bugs could at least be hurt by a mage, but the rules for casting on drones with armor put the target number at nigh impossible.
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Dapper Dan posted:So did the Arcology go down yet in this time-frame or is it still up and running? I've pretty much narrowed my choice down to either Chicago (yay, Bug City) or more Seattle. Doing some quick searching, it looks like the shutdown occurs in 2059. So, within the 2050's, but maybe it's a little outside of the range people have been talking about. I ended up choosing Denver. I wish they would have let you prioritize two or three favorites. I would really have liked to have picked London and Hong Kong as well. But I'll be okay with whatever we get, really.
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I chose Denver because I always loved the decking side of things in Shadowrun most and it's decker heaven so it seems.
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Athenry posted:They added to the bottom of the update that only 10,000 surveys can be sent per day for some reason. might be a few days. That seems like something you should note pretty prominently to avoid getting thousands of emails from confused backers.  I pledged pretty late so I probably won't see it for another day or two then. Thanks!
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HondaCivet posted:That seems like something you should note pretty prominently to avoid getting thousands of emails from confused backers. I pledged the first day and haven't gotten it. Must be at least semi random.
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Voted for Denver. I'd like to believe that the Balkanization will offer a lot of faction interplay and replay incentive. Chicago also sounds really interesting and would probably be my second choice. Can't muster much enthusiasm for either London or Hong Kong; both sound rather boring.
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Ruzaii posted:Voted for Denver. I'd like to believe that the Balkanization will offer a lot of faction interplay and replay incentive. Chicago also sounds really interesting and would probably be my second choice. Can't muster much enthusiasm for either London or Hong Kong; both sound rather boring. I know. Even "more Seattle" wasn't as tough as a choice. While Council Island would have been a good showcase for the NAN and the Salish-Shidhe, it's still pretty limiting. I'd rather have stuff like the surrounding territory opened up, so you go from built-up, urban death maze, UCAS-run Seattle to sky-high trees and magical critters inside NAN territory. Denver at least opens up those possibilities as well as bringing Aztlan and the CAS.
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Because it hasn't been posted yet here are the descriptions for the cities: Berlin Berlin has seen many wars in its history and the Awakened World did not spare it. The EuroWars left it crushed yet again, but like a phoenix it continues to rise from the ashes. While the more modern western half turned to the corps, the more volatile eastern residents voted with their Molotov cocktails that anarchy was the way to go. The result is that Berlin is a dynamic dichotomy; home to many of Europe’s top corps, including the great dragon Lofwyr’s Seader-Krupp and Daimler-Benz, and home to Europe’s biggest collection of fixers, data thieves and gangs. Every runner considers it a badge of honor to run the streets of Berlin. Chicago In the early 2050s, Chicago was your typical massive American sprawl. At least it was until anarchists blew up the Sears Tower. The falling debris destroyed blocks’ worth of buildings crushing thousands of people. No one has rebuilt any of it in the years since; the ghosts of the dead are said to haunt the area, and the increasing presence of ghouls there earned it the name “Shattergraves.” The rest of the Loop was likewise left to rot, and eventually become fully controlled by the Mafia. And don’t even get us started on the bugs, more and more of these magical entities that see humanity as a good place to lay their eggs seem to appear there. Denver The Treaty of Denver balkanized this city and now 6 countries control of parts of this sprawl. In an arrangement that made almost nobody happy, the new “owners” decided to wall off their sections from each other. That turned Denver into a smuggler’s paradise and a shadowrunner’s secret love…so many borders, so much valuable goods to sneak across them ... who could ask for anything more? And if that wasn’t enough to get a runner’s blood going, Denver is home to the Nexus. Known as the Denver Data Haven, it is the North American hub of information, and data exchange. And remember children, knowledge is power. Hong Kong Hong Kong finds itself now as an independent city/state in 2050. Both ancient and modern Hong Kong seems to be at peace on the same island. It’s corporate sponsored City Center rivals any in the world for splendor and corporate intrigue. All the megcorps are there as well as all smaller ones that love to think they can play with the big boys (and maybe even steal a secret or two). Yet, just outside the city center you will find ancient temples and shrines. Each one situated on the many dragon lines that cross the island. Dragon lines are mysterious and powerful paths of magic that the monks claim hold the secrets of the great dragons themselves. Protecting the monks and running the underworld are the mysterious syndicate called the Triads – gangs that control their island, protect their secret masters and really really hate the Yakuza. London Buckingham Palace, the West End, the Tube, the Castles, Big Ben…it all screams welcome to London, but in 2050 London is not the sparkling jewel it once was. Sure you get those sunny days that allow you to walk the cobblestones of history. But now, the fog and rain are toxic, forcing the creation of the West End Underplex - a thriving city that tries to keep the mood and feel of London artificially alive underneath the acid washed old city. London is a nightmare which contains the bright palaces and friendly pubs as well as the ghetto of lost humanity called “the squeeze” but all of it is under the very heavy thumb of the city's Lord Protector. More Seattle Seattle is the home city of the Shadowrun Universe and where the game will be initially set. One option for the game’s “second city” is to add MORE depth to Seattle. Specifically we could add the following: a bigger chunk of the Renraku Arcology (remember it is home to 100,000 employees), a larger version of the Ork Underground, it’s an entire world beneath the streets of the Seattle metroplex, and Council Island where we can show the Native American Tribes flexing their newfound magical and military muscles.
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Gah, so hard to choose. Was a toss-up between London and Berlin for me but ended up clicking Berlin.
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