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Yeah. Prometheus is nuts when it comes to trying to tie it in. You can assume some fan fictionary bullshit like I can, or just...don't think about it. But that decon monster isn't an alien. At least not yet.
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Xenomrph posted:Not so fast there, that goofy looking thing at the end of Prometheus isn't an Alien. The Engineers may have been creating bioweapons from the Aliens, but the Aliens themselves predated what we saw in the movie - you can spot Aliens depicted in the murals in the Engineer structure, and the Derelict from 'Alien' was ancient and certainly predated the events of Prometheus. Huh never made the connection this way. I always figured the Xenomorph murals were just depicting the type of "godlike" beings the Engineers were trying to create. I guess that solidifies the connection between Engineers and humans, since they too seem dumb enough to try to use Xenomorphs as weapons, or at least try to craft some from them. E: On the whole Alien reproduction lifecycle deal, I kind of piece it together that they primarily use a Queen for creating eggs, but in emergency situations like there's only one drone running around and no queen available, they'll develop the egg-morphing capability by themselves and start populating that way. Roman Reigns fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Sep 13, 2014 |
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Sep 13, 2014 16:48
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Xenomrph posted:Not so fast there, that goofy looking thing at the end of Prometheus isn't an Alien. The Engineers may have been creating bioweapons from the Aliens, but the Aliens themselves predated what we saw in the movie - you can spot Aliens depicted in the murals in the Engineer structure, and the Derelict from 'Alien' was ancient and certainly predated the events of Prometheus. I figured the mural was like "this poo poo can make these". Also it predating it doesn't really matter because they could just be using the same weapons. I wish they had gone with the original script but that's me.
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Sep 13, 2014 19:00
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In the computer game Aliens: Colonial Marines, did they explain how Hadley's Hope is unnuked? I can't remember.
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Sep 13, 2014 22:45
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It got nuked, but not everything blew up. Which is dumb.
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Sep 13, 2014 22:51
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Lets! Get! Weird! posted:I figured the mural was like "this poo poo can make these". Frankly I wish they'd divorced it from the Alien series completely. It's got interesting ideas and visuals, but saddling it with Alien baggage didn't do either movie any favors. WattsvilleBlues posted:In the computer game Aliens: Colonial Marines, did they explain how Hadley's Hope is unnuked? I can't remember.
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Sep 14, 2014 01:40
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SirDrone posted:Has it ever been touched on or have explored the idea for alternatives Xenomorph life cycles? Like the whole needing a host or queen as the only method of reproduction seems kinda flimsy, what if in a situation they loving can't use facehuggers occur, what then? . The best I could find with is the Alien 3 script where *not a zombie virus* was turning people into xenos. Before they decided the alien queen came from a human host, both she and the praetorians who defended her were hatched from giant, interconnected eggs in Aliens: Earth War. There was also a sub-group of people infected with a xeno-like virus who responded to the alien queen's telepathic instructions.
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Sep 14, 2014 01:52
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Xenomrph posted:The game doesn't spell it out, but the idea is that much of the atmosphere processor is underground so the brunt of the blast was channeled straight up out of the Atmosphere Processor structure we see in the movie, sort of like an underground nuclear detonation, rather than an above-ground one which would have been more devastating. This is pretty funny considering the explosion is so large you can pretty much see it from space in the movie. Pretty great that even if the game was good it'd still make no goddamn sense.
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Sep 14, 2014 02:25
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Lets! Get! Weird! posted:This is pretty funny considering the explosion is so large you can pretty much see it from space in the movie.
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Sep 14, 2014 02:32
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blackguy32 posted:Hmm, its like judging a film is a subjective process. I mean not as good as Alien or Aliens is still pretty drat good. Hell, Alien 3 is probably still better than 90 percent of the sci-fi/horror films out there. And you're objectively wrong if you subjectively think the movie is anything but trash.  Xenomrph posted:Not so fast there, that goofy looking thing at the end of Prometheus isn't an Alien. The Engineers may have been creating bioweapons from the Aliens, but the Aliens themselves predated what we saw in the movie - you can spot Aliens depicted in the murals in the Engineer structure, and the Derelict from 'Alien' was ancient and certainly predated the events of Prometheus. Is this stated somewhere? I thought Ridley Scott himself said it was the Proto-Alien. Also the mural in the structure depict the Deacon, not the Aliens.
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Sep 14, 2014 03:20
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Just a quick reminder: gently caress this game, gently caress everyone involved in it, and heres to a long and messy downfall of the organization that spawned it. Semper fi.
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Sep 14, 2014 03:59
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Sire Oblivion posted:Is this stated somewhere? I thought Ridley Scott himself said it was the Proto-Alien. Edit-- also I definitely felt the mural depicted a sort of capital-A Alien:  Incidentally that mural was actually designed for the movie by H R Giger himself, which is pretty neat. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Sep 14, 2014 |
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Sep 14, 2014 04:27
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P sure he says that at the end of the bluray commentary -and man that commentary was a let-down. He mostly spends the whole time explaining the plot. Mostly.
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Sep 14, 2014 05:59
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IrvingWashington posted:P sure he says that at the end of the bluray commentary -and man that commentary was a let-down. He mostly spends the whole time explaining the plot. Mostly. Given the film's reception though it sounds very appropriate.
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Sep 14, 2014 06:46
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Xenomrph posted:Edit-- also I definitely felt the mural depicted a sort of capital-A Alien: That's a bad shot, because with proper lighting you see it's head is angular, the same as the Deacon:  
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Sep 14, 2014 08:38
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You're right; good eye.  To be fair I haven't watched Prometheus since I saw it in the theatre, but I've been meaning to re-watch it.
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Sep 14, 2014 11:45
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I know the concept of the Alien queen is bad-rear end and it's a great supermonster and everything, but I loved the consistency of the Dan O'Bannon original design. Alien captures person - turns person into egg - egg hatches facehugger - facehugger hugs face - alien spawns - alien captures person - etc etc. The introduction of the queen sort of makes the process more complicated by breaking the cycle, and there's something horribly utilitarian to me about a person being gooped out and turned into an egg.
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Sep 14, 2014 23:15
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alf_pogs posted:I know the concept of the Alien queen is bad-rear end and it's a great supermonster and everything, but I loved the consistency of the Dan O'Bannon original design. That actually is one of the coolest scenes that was cut from the original Alien. I know why they cut it since it horribly breaks up the pacing, but seeing Brett being turned into an egg was weird. Also, I still find Parker's death scene hilarious to this day, because you can obviously tell that it is a melon of some sort, and it looks absolutely nothing like Parker.
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Sep 14, 2014 23:19
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There has to be a way to reedit that sequence so it flows better in the film. Maybe right after she starts running away from the self destruct room? It being in the middle really fucks with the tension. But it's such a perfectly creepy scene.
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Sep 14, 2014 23:20
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It'd work better if she stumbles across it sometime before arming the self destruct, perhaps either when she's on her way to the shuttle and the Alien is investigating Jones' cat carrier, or after that when she's on her way to arm the self destruct. I do like the scene as well, and thankfully the egg-morphing concept has been retconned back into existence. I'm curious if it'll make an appearance in the new Isolation game, and if it'll get a shout-out in the W-Y Report book.
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Xenomrph posted:It'd work better if she stumbles across it sometime before arming the self destruct, perhaps either when she's on her way to the shuttle and the Alien is investigating Jones' cat carrier, or after that when she's on her way to arm the self destruct. Yeah, this would make the most sense. It would be the perfect reason for Ripley to even arm the self-destruct sequence. I mean, the Alien killing the whole crew is cause to book it off the ship out but why risk having to arm the ship instead of getting the gently caress out of dodge. If Ripley stumbled upon them and realized that the Alien is trying to replicate it's kind with the crew then yeah, gently caress the ship and nuke it so no one else would stumble upon the infested derelict Nostromo.
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Sep 15, 2014 02:51
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blackguy32 posted:That actually is one of the coolest scenes that was cut from the original Alien. I know why they cut it since it horribly breaks up the pacing, but seeing Brett being turned into an egg was weird. Oh crazy I'd never seen that before. Creepy.
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Sep 15, 2014 03:59
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Sire Oblivion posted:Yeah, this would make the most sense. It would be the perfect reason for Ripley to even arm the self-destruct sequence. I mean, the Alien killing the whole crew is cause to book it off the ship out but why risk having to arm the ship instead of getting the gently caress out of dodge. If Ripley stumbled upon them and realized that the Alien is trying to replicate it's kind with the crew then yeah, gently caress the ship and nuke it so no one else would stumble upon the infested derelict Nostromo. But yeah, moving the cocoon scene to earlier fixes the pacing problem for the most part, and it still works from a character point of view for the reasons you mentioned. Now if only they'd fixed the really awkward jump-cut between Ripley fiddling with Ash's android head and then Ian Holm's head through the table when he "wakes up". Like it seriously looks lovely, there had to have been a better way to edit that.
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Xenomrph posted:Well she was planning to blow the ship anyway, she was just hoping to get Jones and her supplies into the shuttle before she armed the self destruct. Instead she stumbled across the Alien prodding Jones carrier (and between her and the shuttle) so she went to arm the self destruct because she didn't have much choice. You're remembering wrong, the self-destruct is already armed when she finds the Alien blocking her, she goes back to disarm it and fails. She decides to blow the ship up just to destroy the Alien but it's one hell of an added risk where I'd just say gently caress it, I'm gonna bounce.
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Xenomrph posted:Now if only they'd fixed the really awkward jump-cut between Ripley fiddling with Ash's android head and then Ian Holm's head through the table when he "wakes up". Like it seriously looks lovely, there had to have been a better way to edit that. Is there a youtube displaying this fine piece of cinematic excellence?
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a cock shaped fruit posted:Is there a youtube displaying this fine piece of cinematic excellence? right here, lovely quality though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGiGWwDyxyk
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Sire Oblivion posted:You're remembering wrong, the self-destruct is already armed when she finds the Alien blocking her, she goes back to disarm it and fails. She decides to blow the ship up just to destroy the Alien but it's one hell of an added risk where I'd just say gently caress it, I'm gonna bounce. poo poo, you're right. And I just rewatched the bluray like a month ago, too. 
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Sire Oblivion posted:Decent? Alien 3 has a lot of problems, but if you think the soundtrack is one of them then  Elliot Goldenthal's score is one of the best original scores of the nineties.
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Wild T posted:Alien 3 has a lot of problems, but if you think the soundtrack is one of them then Any chance to post this is worth it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_4nAJsUYe0
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Did the aliens in 3 "move differently" because it came out of a dog/ox?
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Sep 15, 2014 11:43
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Yeah. That's what started the whole  ALIENS TOY MOVEMENT OF 1992 . Which is where Kenner pretty much made everything into an Alien, despite logically not being possible. (Scorpion Alien.)
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WattsvilleBlues posted:Did the aliens in 3 "move differently" because it came out of a dog/ox? 
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WattsvilleBlues posted:How did Ripley know the alien inside her was a queen? It had ridges on its head. The normal aliens have smooth heads.
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I loved Alien 3 and will defend it to the death. I loved the the look and style of the film, and good acting all around. Also as many have said the score is amazing. It has a really long and storied history of its development cycle ( The use of a wooden planet was kinda neat), its just such a shame that the studio kept interfering with Fincher's work. Has Fincher spoken about Alien 3 in interviews at all? He understandably didn't enjoy the filming experience.
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Deadlock posted:I loved Alien 3 and will defend it to the death. I loved the the look and style of the film, and good acting all around. Also as many have said the score is amazing. It has a really long and storied history of its development cycle ( The use of a wooden planet was kinda neat), its just such a shame that the studio kept interfering with Fincher's work. Has Fincher spoken about Alien 3 in interviews at all? He understandably didn't enjoy the filming experience.
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gently caress Aliens, Alien and Alien 3 are the poo poo. Prometheus is a good film.
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Kokoro Wish posted:gently caress Aliens, Alien and Alien 3 are the poo poo. Prometheus is a good film. One thing in this string is right.
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Wild T posted:Alien 3 has a lot of problems, but if you think the soundtrack is one of them then It's lovely mood music 90% of the time, the rest are chorales that would fit into a Batman film, it's overly boisterous too. It also doesn't have any leitmotifs that catch your ear and make you instantly go, "Alien 3, definitely" like the con legno cello of Alien (or it's melody) or the military march snares of Aliens.
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Kokoro Wish posted:gently caress Aliens, Alien and Alien 3 are the poo poo. Prometheus is a good film. I liked Prometheus, but I saw it with my grandmother who's a science teacher, and something about that made me acutely aware of the number of stupid things the scientists in that movie did. Stuff I'd normally let slide made me laugh. I've actually enjoyed all the Alien and Predator films, even both the AvPs and Resurrection.
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