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C-Euro posted:I love Riki's motivation for joining you (at least the one he cites when first joining the party), that he's in deep with the loan sharks and is "volunteering" to go along. But he has so many littlepons to feed And then, after he holds up his end of the bargain, it turns out she'd been using the family's charge card while he was away! 
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Yeah, Riki is a pretty interesting character; I like when they find out he's actually forty years old, and has raised a bunch of children already. And the Nopon pretty much play stupid and have managed to infiltrate every society by playing up their cute/inoffensive nature, but play it coy so homs can be surprised at entia and vice versa.. Plus the fact there's a whole questline surrounding a secret Nopon -->drug<-- lab in the middle of the woods. Moogles don't have poo poo on Nopon.
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Chronojam posted:Yeah, Riki is a pretty interesting character; I like when they find out he's actually forty years old, and has raised a bunch of children already This whole scene just reeked of to me.Chronojam posted:Moogles don't have poo poo on Nopon. You take that back 
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Dec 14, 2012 07:29
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Leal posted:This whole scene just reeked of Are moogles sneaky? Do they run drug labs under the guise of being adorable? Is Riki a moogle? No? 
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Leal posted:You take that back For real, when I first saw the nopon in the first town, I was rolling my eyes a little bit and said, "Welp, looks like we've met this RPG's moogles." Then as the plot went on I found out how insidious those little bastards are. Have you actually looked at what their quests are compared to the other races, and compared to the kinds of "deliver mail kupo!" quests that Moogles give you? It's like you're working for the mob if you don't just glance past the cutesy sounding words to the objectives immediately.
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Chronojam posted:Then as the plot went on I found out how insidious those little bastards are. Have you actually looked at what their quests are compared to the other races, and compared to the kinds of "deliver mail kupo!" quests that Moogles give you? It's like you're working for the mob if you don't just glance past the cutesy sounding words to the objectives immediately. My favorite Nopons are the alcoholic ones that send you on quests to either get brewing ingredients or to look for gimmick anti-drinking remedies.
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My favorite nopon is the little kid who tries to push his/her mom down the tree the whole game without the mom realizing it.
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I just beat this game, what was going on with the ending?
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Nighteyedie posted:I just beat this game, what was going on with the ending? My guess? They wanted to make it into a series. Maybe they still do! The first one wasn't very successful in Japan, but Monolith is making a WiiU RPG right now, so maybe.
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As silly as it sounds, one of my incentives to get a Wii U yesterday was to play this. Something was up with my Wii's lens that kept making the game glitch at certain points making it impossible to progress.
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punchdaily posted:My guess? They wanted to make it into a series. Maybe they still do! The first one wasn't very successful in Japan, but Monolith is making a WiiU RPG right now, so maybe. Has any info come out yet on the Monolith WiiU project? Depending on what it is may determine how long I drag my feet on buying a WiiU. Sucks to hear it wasn't successful in Japan. I can't imagine why, it beats the pants off anything Square-Enix has done in the past decade.
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Nighteyedie posted:I just beat this game, what was going on with the ending? I think it was excellent, and gives it a loose connection to the universe Xenogears set up.
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:I think it was excellent, and gives it a loose connection to the universe Xenogears set up. I guess it was a solid ending, but the whole Xenogears/Saga call back came from nowhere, and I'm not really sure how I feel about the world being created by some scientists and an AI
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You got a better explanation? 
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Nighteyedie posted:I guess it was a solid ending, but the whole Xenogears/Saga call back came from nowhere, and I'm not really sure how I feel about the world being created by some scientists and an AI Under some subsets of string theory it is hypothetically possible to induce the creation of a new universe, which would technically make the person doing so a "god". You wouldn't actually be entering that universe yourself or probably interacting with it in any way whatsoever once it had kicked off, but at least it was an interesting way of explaining how Zanza became the Demiurge of this particular take on the gnostic creation myth (as opposed to being a sentient weapon of mass destruction or an omnipotent Space CEO / dimensional custodian).
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Nighteyedie posted:I just beat this game, what was going on with the ending? Takahashi just loving loves his gnosticism in video game plots.
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I just realized something about the ending. Major endgame spoilers: Melia gets completely screwed by the end of the game. Her family was killed, each member in a horrific way, most of her people get wiped out, and to top it all off, she comes out alone. I mean, as soon as Fiora came back, Shulk never even acknowledged her. The last moment they have together is the scene before Mechonis Core, where she gets brushed off trying to cheer Shulk up while Fiora acts like an airhead and that works. She doesn't really get much development after that, either. And, if I recall correctly, she afterwords just speaks to everyone in her "queen" voice, where she doesn't show her emotions. It's all really  .Even in the ending cutscene, where everyone is happiliy rebuilding/fishing together, she is alone overlooking where her home used to be (the Bionis's head). The only person who visits her is Fiora, and only because she's looking for Shulk.
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Average Bear posted:I just realized something about the ending. Major endgame spoilers: * Ending, side quest, and H2H spoilers Well it's not all bad! At least her half-sister who hates her is still alive, and there's a very slight possibility her mother is alive as well. Nah, just kidding, it's still pretty
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Renoistic posted:* Ending, side quest, and H2H spoilers Well it's not all bad! At least her half-sister who hates her is still alive, and there's a very slight possibility her mother is alive as well. Nah, just kidding, it's still pretty
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Tupperwarez posted:Speaking of that horrid relative, did anyone else laugh their goddamn rear end off when she flew away with her headwings at the end of that sidequest? It didn't help that she was so serious when she did it. That was a bit... awkward. Plus I seem to recall High Entia saying they couldn't use those wings to fly As for the ending, I too felt the same way about Melia. She was my favorite character for much of the game and while I was happy to see Fiora kind of alive and sort of well, it did result in Melia getting the official unrequited love shaft. And then the true purpose of her species is revealed and pretty much all of her family dies and... well like I earlier said, I would love to see her return in a sequel where she'd hopefully make out better. But I doubt that'll happen. Poor Melia. 
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Dammit, I come into this thread wanting to ask how to reach a couple spots in Valak Mountain and it's nothing but black bars  I'm trying to finish this in a timely manner, I swear!But yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to make that second ice slide jump above the Nopon research camp, and also how to get up to Valak Peak. Help?
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Renoistic posted:* Ending, side quest, and H2H spoilers Well it's not all bad! At least her half-sister who hates her is still alive, and there's a very slight possibility her mother is alive as well. Nah, just kidding, it's still pretty
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C-Euro posted:But yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to make that second ice slide jump above the Nopon research camp, and also how to get up to Valak Peak. Help? I'm pretty sure quick step gems worked for me, so give those a try.
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C-Euro posted:But yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to make that second ice slide jump above the Nopon research camp, and also how to get up to Valak Peak. Help?
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Chaltab posted:Seeing as Melia is 88 years old during the game, that is very unlikely. Man, I didn't think of that, since she herself says in a h2h that she will look for her mother after everything is over. I guess she didn't think that hard about it, either...
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And all that time Sharla was encouraging her along and trying to help her before realization sets in, too.
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I got spoiled about some fort of extra party member that joins your party 40 hours into the game? How bad did I get spoiled?
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WYA posted:I got spoiled about some fort of extra party member that joins your party 40 hours into the game? How bad did I get spoiled? If you don't have a name, not very much. It's pretty obvious as the story progresses anyway. I actually misinterpreted some other information as a spoiler and thought the seventh party member was somebody other than who I expected and was rather disappointed. This made me extra happy with the actual result.
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Chinston Wurchill posted:If you don't have a name, not very much. It's pretty obvious as the story progresses anyway. I hoped it was a Mechon, so I was alright with it, but I was really pulling for Xord. Some of his voice-overs are delightful, and he's just goddamned huge!
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:I hoped it was a Mechon, so I was alright with it, but I was really pulling for Xord. Some of his voice-overs are delightful, and he's just goddamned huge! [unintelligible yelling] All of his voice overs are delightful, especially coupled with everybody's reaction to them. He gets downright wistful at times.
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Should I be trying to fight every possible creature I see? (ie. the planes you run through at the start) Also apparently the story progresses on its own accord. Are there some things I'll want to do right away? MOVIE MAJICK fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Dec 19, 2012 |
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WYA posted:Should I be trying to fight every possible creature I see? (ie. the planes you run through at the start) It's not necessary but I killed a lot of stuff just because it was there. You should be at an appropriate level by just fighting what gets in your way and doing a few quests here and there. If a sidequest has a clock beside it, that means it will no longer be accessible after a certain story point. Most of them have a pretty wide window, though.
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This game is loving great, just really goddamn great. I'm only 3 hours in but I can tell I'm going to be enjoying it. So many quality of life things that are changed from the regular jrpg formula. Fast travel, non-terrible or embarrassing characters, solid voice acting. great combat... this list goes on. Well I guess this thread is full of raving, may as well add my 2 cents as someone who normally doesnt really like jrpgs.
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WYA posted:I got spoiled about some fort of extra party member that joins your party 40 hours into the game? How bad did I get spoiled?
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Swilo posted:Get 25% in movement speed gems on your lead party member to make it easier, otherwise it's all down to timing. The peak itself is reached from a very long slide along the eastern side of the map's upper level, but you need the lava rock item to melt an ice wall before it's accessible. Is this the one that you have to climb along for five minutes as part of a quest?
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C-Euro posted:Is this the one that you have to climb along for five minutes as part of a quest? If it's the one I think we're talking about, it includes a lot of ice slides and a huge jump that is really hard to make without speed gems.
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How do you go through more than one chain for each character? It said you could go around five times with a chain attack but its not obvious how to do this edit: is it just me or is the main character's heal basically useless in the beginning with its cooldown and how little it does edit2: Could someone explain to me what determines when you can do a heart to heart? When I click them it says 'i cannot see them yet'. MOVIE MAJICK fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Dec 19, 2012 |
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WYA posted:How do you go through more than one chain for each character? It said you could go around five times with a chain attack but its not obvious how to do this Have high affinity between the characters. The higher it is the greater the chance the chain will continue. It won't happen much early in the game but later it'll become pretty common.
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WYA posted:Could someone explain to me what determines when you can do a heart to heart? When I click them it says 'i cannot see them yet'. For each Heart to Heart, you need to have the two involved characters in your active party, they need to be at or above a certain friendship level, you may need to progress the plot farther, and it may need to be a specific time of day. You probably can't see most of them from the get-go, but none of them are missable, so don't worry too much about it. There should be a menu somewhere with all of the HtH you have found so far listed, and I believe any that are currently available will be highlighted.
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WYA posted:edit2: Could someone explain to me what determines when you can do a heart to heart? When I click them it says 'i cannot see them yet'. There's another factor involved here that hasn't been mentioned. The message that says you can't see them yet means one of two things - you don't yet have a character involved yet or you haven't reached the point in the story that it becomes available (since some of them directly reference events in the story it wouldn't make sense to have them only made available by affinity).
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