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Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

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Five and a half hours in, and I was flabberghasted when Fiora died. I mean, that just doesn't happen in a JRPG!

Also, auto completing quests is single greatest improvement Xenoblade brings to the genre.

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Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

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So I've been playing for most of the night and have barely made any story progress because I've been meticulously clearing out side missions. The Leg so far is a really impressive area-- it reminds me a lot of Shadow of the Colossus in the way that its geography is laid out. It manages to be extremely spacious without becoming boring.

I really should get moving with the story though, because holy crap. The scene where Mysterious Face appears may be one of the most exhilarating moments in any RPG I've ever played.

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

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I love how much personality the Metal Faced Mechon have. When the first one appeared on Colony 9 I expected them to be either aloof hitmen or mindless attack dogs. Instead they are full of attitude and they hate you. It's great.

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Ledneh posted:

This and what are crystals and cylinders, and the different kinds of flame
This much I have figured out, and only through trial and error basically. Crystals are dropped by most enemies, and generally have a relatively low % on one or two qualities, like Strength, Muscle or Ether.

Cylinders are dropped by Mechon, and are basically super crystals, having much higher qualities. Cylinders are also produced as a side effect of the Gem Crafting process.

When you start crafting, you pick which cylinders and crystals you want to craft. Each one you selects adds its qualities to the total.

For instance, lets say these are your crystals:

Crystal 1: Strength 30%
Muscle 20%

Crystal 2: Strength 40%
Agility 20%

Crystal 3: Strength 40%
Agility 15%

Your total for this batch would be:

Strength 110%
Agility 35%
Muscle 20%

The more Crystals and Cylinders you put in, the higher your percentages are and the more qualities go into the batch. You can choose up to 8 Crystals, but as soon as one of your Qualities exceeds 100% you'll automatically go to the furnace.

Now you start crafting. You pick a Shooter and an Engineer. The better the affinity between the two, the more Turns you'll get at the Furnace, which will give you better results.

Each character has a special ability as a Shooter, such as Shulk going into Fever more often (giving you way more Turns on the Furnace), and each is also good at working with different flame temperatures. I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think it means that on each turn they're more likely to work at the specific temperature they are good at (for instance Reyn is Great with Strong heat, so each turn will be more likely to have a Strong flame).

The three flames work like this:

Gentle: Gentle flames fill up your Cylinder Gauge more quickly. Your Cylinder Gauge is the green meter with a number on top. Everytime that meter is filled you'll get another Cylinder. Sharla is particularly good with Gentle flames, and you can get a lot of Cylinders with her.

Medium: Medium flame increases all of your qualities by a small amount, and I think also raises your Cylinder Gauge slightly.

Strong: Strong flames will increase the value of one or two qualities. I think it's always the largest ones. Reyn is good with Strong flames, so you'll get even higher numbers with him.

Once your turns are up, then you get to take home your booty. Any Qualities that are over 100% produce Gems. For the rest, you can put them into the cylinders you were able to produce from the batch.

So lets look at the above example again:

Strength 110%
Agility 35%
Muscle 20%

Shulk and Reyn do the crafting, and these are the results:

Strength 150%
Agility 50%
Muscle 25%

This yields 1 Strength Gem. The batch also gave up one Cylinder, so you can choose to take either the Agility 50% or the Muscle 25%.

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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

You can give collectables to party members as gifts to raise the affinity between two of them. This is the quickest way, just gift spam with all your useless collectables taking up space. Never sell them.

Do this in the items menu.
:stare: There are so many systems in this game that it would probably be possible to play through the entire game without catching them all.

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Ledneh posted:

Thanks for this. Do percentages above 100 matter at all? I'm guessing yes.
Higher percentages give you better results, and if you can crank them up high enough a Gem can actually rank up, which means even more points.


Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

Instead of trying to appeal to Square-Enix, they should say "are you watching this??" to Nintendo. It seems like they're only barely aware of what they have in Xenoblade and Monolith.
Just think about how good this game would be on the WiiU. The touchscreen would be perfect for issuing commands during combat.

Strange Matter fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Apr 15, 2012

Strange Matter
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Ledneh posted:

The implication being that a gem's rank is also determined by something besides the percentage being 200%+?
Rank is better determined by the rank of the materials that go into it. Large Crystals and Rank II Cylinders give Rank II Gems.

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Chronojam posted:

Sharla has good odds for green-cylinder-building and blue-category-boosting, so you can sometimes just throw a whole pile of random gems together and collect up refined materials even though it says "crafting failure" and your guys shrug. Sure, you didn't get a gem, but you got progress towards a an up-leveled gem.

The worst that happens is you don't have enough jars for the number of desirable ability categories.
Sharla is nice to use to condense your crystal supply, since that gets pretty massive real fast.

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Cbouncerrun posted:

Are quests automatically completed without having to go back to the questgiver?

Also, I assume I shouldn't ever sell collectibles?
Yes and Yes.

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

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I just got to Satorl Swamp. I thought it was interesting enough during the day but as soon as nightfall came I was blown away. It practically becomes a different place, and is one of the most visually pleasing environments I've ever seen in any video game.

When I was crossing the Leg I often found myself switching to Daytime because I really enjoyed the atmosphere it provided. For the Swamp, I think I'll be doing the opposite.

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Samurai Sanders posted:

This game is doing everything to gently caress with my preconceptions of what a JRPG can be.

edit: except storywise...so far. So, if I am 12 hours in and haven't really been surprised by anything yet, do you guys think I will be?
The only thing I've been surprised about storywise is how much attitude the villains have. It's great.

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Ledneh posted:

I just got Dunban and he is the suavest motherfucker in his default getup holy moly. I have to control him.

Is he intended to be a tank? But... but it's already Reyn Time, I can't replace him :smith:
He's nowhere near as Tanky as Reyn, although he's got more survivability than Sharla (minus her healing arts). He's more of a DPS type.

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HenryEx posted:

The turkey doods can do that, too.
Ooooooooohhhh. Turkins.

Strange Matter
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Oh, so that's the Immovable Gonzales.

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The Leg may honestly be one of the best locations I've ever seen in a video game. I was wandering around trying to find a quest marker when I found a whole area I had never seen before filled with level 70 monsters, including a cave with a least three fifty foot tall spider sacks. I kept going as long as I could but a Rasgoul swooped in and one shotted me as I was travelling across a ridge. I have no idea where I was even going.

Nintendo better be watching this, if only for the next Zelda game.

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Nucular Carmul posted:

I got this game yesterday. I just figured out gem crafting and I can't stop. I discovered the secret to getting a couple of level 2 gems out of level 1 materials. I have five loving pages of crystal bullshit someone help I have to keep crafting
Always be crafting.

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

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WHERE IS THE SECLUDED ISLAND

I'm in Eryth Sea and there are shooting stars and I've been swimming around for like forty five minutes trying to find it, turning back the clock again and again.

Man that place is soothing though.

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Lakitu7 posted:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111019083135/xenoblade/images/thumb/6/62/ErythSea.png/830px-ErythSea.png

I wasn't soothed at all when that happened because I was like OH GOD I HAVE TO DO THIS BEFORE THIS STUPID WEATHER EVENT ENDS SO I DON'T HAVE TO MESS WITH THE CLOCK TO REPEAT IT LATER, and then after I beat the monster I realized I hadn't even taken the quest yet anyway, and only read about it in FAQs. :sigh:
Ha ha ha I was looking on the complete opposite side of the Sea.

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

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Wow, so it turns out what I thought was the shooting stars weather event at Eryth Sea was just background noise. The actual event is...something else. I think I actually gasped.

Strange Matter
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I megaheated my first Gem today.

That may be my greatest achievement so far in this game.

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

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Man I'm dumb. I skipped out on buying Sharla's arts manuals because I basically ditched her after I got Dunban, but now I'm cycling through my party members to build up my overall affinity and I can't find them anywhere. I got like two from the nopon merchant outside of Colony 6, but that still leaves a lot of her best arts untouched.

Am I screwed until I can buy the second set of manuals or am I missing something?

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TurnipFritter posted:

I'm pretty sure the shopkeeper is still chilling down in refugee camp even if you've started reconstruction.
Oh, hah. I figured he would have left along with the rest of them.

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

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I don't suppose there's a trick to getting certain blue dot items, is there? Because I spent about an hour and a half going over every square inch of Valak Mountain and I did not find one single Ice Cabbage.

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

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Question: where do I find the Kyel Lexos around Colony 6? I found a guide saying it was on the Freight Road during the rain but I scoured that area and couldn't find it anywhere.

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Regy Rusty posted:

These don't appear until you've passed a certain point fairly in the game, specifically The Mechonis Core which is also one of the major cutoff points for a ton of sidequests.
Oh, okay that makes sense. I've actually just gotten to that point.

Follow-up Question regarding the cutoff point: Are the Mechonics areas off limits now that it's been activated? There's stuff in Galahad Fortress and Agniratha that I need to finish rebuilding Colony 6. Am I out of luck for those, or will I get access to those areas again before the game ends?

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Nighteyedie posted:

All the collectibles can be traded for in Fallen Arm village, and the affinity there is pretty easy to build since there aren't too many quests
That's good to hear. Thanks for the heads up on that. With how many quests there are in the game, that's really the only one I'm really determined to complete before the end of the game.

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Vil posted:

Good news: while Frost Glass is normally super-rare (either 2% or 6% if it's even an option at all), there are four collectible spots (all of them night-only) that have it with a very reasonable 20% chance.

Bad news: they're all rather inconvenient (look for the tiny green circles):



English descriptions of their locations:
- Next to Moonlight Paimon, at the far end of the Lava Caves.
- Next to Hidden Gamigin, taking a narrow elevated route from Ignia Hill back towards Sealed Tower/Harict Chapel.
- Next to North Star Gusion, at the tip of Url Crevasse (which is in no way, shape, or form a crevasse, but never mind that).
- Right after successfully making the super long jump that leads to Valak Peak and Three Sage Summit.

(And remember, they're night-only collectibles. Not that running around in Valak at night is any hardship when it comes to scenery porn.)

There is, however, a backup option, but you may find collectible hunting to be preferable. You can trade Dakuku (at the nopon camp in Valak) for Frost Glass... if you have 5-star affinity with Upper Bionis aka Alcamoth. Meaning you've done a lot of Alcamoth questing.
Since I can't decypher that website, what's the lowdown on Ice Cabbages?

Strange Matter
Oct 6, 2009

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Man I really wish I had caught on to switching up my main character earlier on in the game. I actually really enjoy playing as Shulk because of his overall utility and because I really enjoy maneuvering around enemies to optimize his Slit Edge and Backslash attachs. However lately I've been using other characters as my main for grinding for rare drops and finishing up late game quests and it's been pretty awesome actually. Reyn in particular I had a lot of fun with. I love wading into the center of all the enemies, using Berserk and then War Swing, then opening up the rest of my best attacks before popping Aura Burst. It's such a rewarding combo.

Strange Matter
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Well my jaw hit the floor watching that. I really hope you can customize your character's attire to the extent that you could in Xenoblade, because just from that trailer the lead looks kinda dull compared to, well, any of the characters in Xenoblade.

I do like that fighting giant monsters features prominently in that trailer though.

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Mak0rz posted:

Considering I just rolled over 101 hours in Xenoblade and am not anywhere near done the poo poo I want to do before beating it, I'm not concerned dropping the cash on a WiiU for just this game. Hopefully by the time its released I'd be able to afford it :allears:
Yeah I'm in a position where I'm at the cusp of the endgame, and part of me wants to just finish it because I don't have nearly as much time for gaming as I did when I bought it, but the other part is like look at all that content you need to do you can't just leave it there!

Those level 90+ monsters taunt me so...

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Regy Rusty posted:

You should go ahead and beat it now - it's more fun to do the higher level stuff later since otherwise the final boss will be laughably easy.
Well it's not just fighting those monsters, it's doing stuff like rebuilding Colony 6 (which I can't even do 100% because I don't have enough Lewisia Silver and that area is cut off now, along with the NPC who you can trade with for the stuff). There's so much content that I could spend another ten hours just dicking around before I even touch the endgame.

I'm currently at level 73. Am I overlevelled yet?

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Regy Rusty posted:

No no, and if you're only at 73 I think you're a little bit farther from the end than you think.

But try to fight the final boss at around level 81 for the best experience.
Okay that's good. At the point where I'm at currently, The Machina offered to fly me through the hole in Bions' chest to attack Zanza. I'm dilly dallying around before I pull the trigger on that.

Strange Matter
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Cool!

Incidently since I mentioned that I'm never going to be able to complete Colony 6 since I'm locked out of one of the items, is there any particularly awesome thing you get for rebuilding it 100%?

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Regy Rusty posted:

The ingame rewards themselves for the Colony 6 quest aren't that great. But there's one thing about it that really gives you a profound sense of accomplishment: The music changes twice along the way getting progressively more upbeat and triumphant.

Are you sure you're locked out though? The Xenoblade wiki seems to suggest that you should be able to trade with Berryjammy in Colony 6 to get Lewisia silver. You can get to the 5 Star affinity needed without upgrading the colony all the way.
Berryjammy? Hmmmmm interesting. It looks like you're correct! I thought I could only get Lewisia Silver from Bozatrox, whom you can get locked out of (I was only worried about Bozatrox because she has Broze Wood, which I need for a sidequest in the Hidden Village that I guess I'm never going to finish)

Guess that means more sidequests for me! Which areas are included in the Colony 6 Affinity Chart?

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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:

Kind of worried that it looks like Xenoblade 2 (or whatever it actually ends up being called) looks to have multiplayer. A Co-op game ala Secret of Mana would be pretty awesome though, if that's the route they're going.
Unless the Chat Bar is actually your AI controlled partners talking to you and the game is just going one step more meta in playing like a single player MMORPG.

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NmareBfly posted:

Yeah, I noticed that too. The zone is great looking, but it's all a little browner than I'd like. Other than that it's mostly raging bonerville. +1 to the 'guess I'm getting a Wii U' crowd. :sigh:
As long as I can do the following I will be okay with whatever design aesthetic they go for.

1. Have a character run around an arctic mountain in his shorts, slathered in magic cream
2. Dress a burly dude up in Aztec finery

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Regy Rusty posted:

Maybe it's just me, but I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Those areas looked as vibrant as the Bionis Leg to me.
Yeah I'm not worried either. My two favorite areas in the game are the Bionis Leg at midday and Satorl Marsh at night. If you go to either of those areas at different times during the day it'll look less vibrant because the lighting is different.

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Do I need to do all the sidequests in Hidden Village to get it up to 5 stars? I need Red Frontiers for Colony 6 and the only way to get it is from one of the NPCs there with 5 affinity. And if that's the case it's impossible, since one of the sidequests requires Bronze Wood and the only NPC who I can trade for it with is no longer accessible.

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Zero_Tactility posted:

Shulk's alright on his own, but Shulk and Reyn's best-buds-forever friendship really elevates both characters for me.

Also, Riki is the only mascot character worth a drat.
Nintendo would be foolish not to include Shulk in the next Smash Brothers game.

Forgetting Riki, however, would be unforgivable.

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404GoonNotFound posted:

Look, if anyone's gonna end up in the next Smash Brothers it's gonna be Reyn Time, and I will hear nothing to the contrary.
Honestly Reyn may actually be my favorite character in Xenoblade. I normally don't really care about the Lovable Dumb Bruiser type characters in these games but Reyn's earnestness combined with his genuine efficacy in battle is really endearing to me. I rolled with him and Shulk through 90% of the game because they have such amazing synergy, and I don't regret one minute of it.

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