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They went a little too far with making Hannah irredeemably unlikable in that argument. She might have aspergers.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 05:46 |
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No1throwdown posted:They went a little too far with making Hannah irredeemably unlikable in that argument. She might have aspergers. She fits almost all the symptoms, and especially when putting her past history together. Not sure how the story will develop if that's the case and intention. Interesting theory, and the fact that the writers has created a person not knowing about Asperger's is quite probable.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 06:33 |
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qbert posted:Also really enjoyed the conversation between Jessa and her former employer. I didn't like the Hannah/Marnie fight so much. Not because I thought it was filmed or presented poorly, I don't think, but because Hannah's always been a very low-grade rear end in a top hat and narcissist so far, and in here it was turned all the way up. Low-grade may be a relative term but it was low enough that it let me look past it to see what else was going on with her, whereas now it was the entirety of her being. Mixed with the revelation (to me) that Marnie has been paying for Hannah, as opposed to her having been working another off-screen job, makes me think that it was done with purpose.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 07:34 |
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I'm mixed on the episode. I like where they're taking Hannah but Marnie seems to be two different characterss on the show. One is a fourth of the main cast with her own plot lines; the other Marnie is the character that pushes Hannah into self-realization. The two roles don't seem to come from the same character. Shoshanna just being around to be weird virgin girl with no progress is kind of annoying. Guessing that she was a character type that Apatow suggested to Dunham to balance out the group. Maybe they'll do something with her that makes me care. Jessa is still the best.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 07:44 |
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Jesus Hannah. Oh, I take back whatever I said about Jessa's character development. I really liked her scenes in this ep.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 13:02 |
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Well, I guess I'm back to disliking Hannah immensely.skinny white boy posted:I'm mixed on the episode. I like where they're taking Hannah but Marnie seems to be two different characterss on the show. One is a fourth of the main cast with her own plot lines; the other Marnie is the character that pushes Hannah into self-realization. The two roles don't seem to come from the same character. They all seem like equally lovely people, except maybe Shoshanna who is a big non-sequitur, so I don't think Marnie comes away much more favourably than Marnie because the only thing Marnie has over Hannah is the money thing. I wish the fight was more about Hannah's specific failings ("You sit around doing nothing all day! Get a job!") instead of devolving into generalities as quickly as it did. e: \/ Episode preview indicates Shoshanna gets a b-plot next episode. Also it is the season finale. Ofc. Sex Robot BPD fucked around with this message at Jun 11, 2012 around 15:26 |
| # ? Jun 11, 2012 13:33 |
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Man watching that entire fight off between Hannah and Marnie just made me think immediately back to the party episode where Marnie exhibited a very child-like, selfish persona to everyone she talked to. they're both 'the wound', and that entire argument was incredibly frustrating as neither can acknowledge how selfish they've been at points throughout the series. Both were right, both were wrong and it was utterly frustrating to endure. Stray observations about the episode: Shosh really needs more screen time. I'm really hoping for some actual longer plots involving her in the next season, because I would have much preferred to see her 'internet day-date' over Hannah and Marnie's big fight. Is Adam Bi-polar? It's the vibe I'm getting. Really enjoyed Jessa's plot, especially the warm, sympathetic conversation with her ex-boss. Despite being filled with rage and frustration towards her, it felt sincere, honest and seemed to hit Jessa like a sledgehammer in her final scene in the episode. Ray - my favourite character I love to hate. He's just the ultimate horrible person, but so watchable.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 14:23 |
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Can we just have a whole show about Shoshana's life, please. I know I'm not the only one who wanted to see her j-date.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 15:53 |
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Banjodark posted:
My favorite line of last night's episode was the "don't come back in sweat pants and a Taylor Swift shirt just to be a dick" If only Ray were there at the end to smack some sense into both of them about how selfish they both are and that they need/deserve each other.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 16:22 |
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i am bones posted:Can we just have a whole show about Shoshana's life, please. I know I'm not the only one who wanted to see her j-date. Everything she says is hilarious. She's like a living embodiment of Cosmo.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 16:45 |
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SpaceMost posted:Hahahaha -- Is that where she signed up? I missed the name. No she signed up somewhere else because it "was the most expensive" i think he's calling it a j-date just because she's going out with a jew.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 16:51 |
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vyst posted:No she signed up somewhere else because it "was the most expensive" i think he's calling it a j-date just because she's going out with a jew.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 17:12 |
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SLOSifl posted:She said she had a day-date. I just rewatched it she joined "Electrichellos(sp?).com because it had the most expensive subscription and ugly people do Match and a guy messaged her and blah blah blah".
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 17:23 |
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The fight kind of overshadowed the episode but on a re-watch I'm reminded that Hannah went from annoying to bitchy to annoying to self-important to stupid the whole time and I'm only 15 minutes through watching. The girl with the book party was patronizing, but to go straight to "I have a boyfriend and he's alive and everything" just makes her look like a psychopath. She realizes later she was only mad at herself (whatever) but going on about how lucky that girl was to have a boyfriend die isn't funny. Maybe it is to other struggling 20-somethings trying to write an autobiography, but that's the limit of that demographic. About the reading, did it really just end with her saying her internet boyfriend had died or are we supposed to think it went on from there in that vein? Edit: have to add that as far as Marnie versus Hannah in the childish department, having a bad night because you saw your long-term relationship already loving someone else is understandable to me. Meanwhile, eating the yogurt of the roommate who is paying ALL the bills, bringing your boyfriend over without mentioning it first, giving him your key - ugh. Hannah is the worst. Stay over at Adam's place, don't be a complete and total mooch then bring your sloppy unclothed boyfriend. (I like Adam but as a roommate I don't want to see that.) hepscat fucked around with this message at Jun 11, 2012 around 17:53 |
| # ? Jun 11, 2012 17:48 |
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vyst posted:No she signed up somewhere else because it "was the most expensive" i think he's calling it a j-date just because she's going out with a jew. The funniest part was when she showed Jessa his picture and she said "yes, he is Jewish." And I the only one who's thinking it was a dick-pic (and hence, he'd be circumcised?)
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 17:53 |
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hepscat posted:The fight kind of overshadowed the episode but on a re-watch I'm reminded that Hannah went from annoying to bitchy to annoying to self-important to stupid the whole time and I'm only 15 minutes through watching. obviously it went on, she only read about four lines
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 17:55 |
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hepscat posted:The fight kind of overshadowed the episode but on a re-watch I'm reminded that Hannah went from annoying to bitchy to annoying to self-important to stupid the whole time and I'm only 15 minutes through watching. As for her reading, I think there was more. They just wanted to emphasize that she was dying on-stage like her boyfriend in the story.  quote:Edit: have to add that as far as Marnie versus Hannah in the childish department, having a bad night because you saw your long-term relationship already loving someone else is understandable to me. Meanwhile, eating the yogurt of the roommate who is paying ALL the bills, bringing your boyfriend over without mentioning it first, giving him your key - ugh. Hannah is the worst. Stay over at Adam's place, don't be a complete and total mooch then bring your sloppy unclothed boyfriend. (I like Adam but as a roommate I don't want to see that.) e: \/ As much as I think Marnie is equally self-centered, I was legitimately angry at Hannah when it came out that Marnie had been literally supporting her and was owed a ton of money. It'd be easier to digest if we saw scenes of Hannah trying to write like we saw with Adam trying to act, or doing his Adam things, but we never see Hannah actually try to be a writer, just talk about it. Megan's mom's comment from Mad Men last night seems particularly resonant in this episode (paraphrasing) -- "This is what happens when you have the artistic temperament but you are not an artist." Ofc. Sex Robot BPD fucked around with this message at Jun 11, 2012 around 18:30 |
| # ? Jun 11, 2012 18:02 |
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SpaceMost posted:The dead boyfriend comments seemed really out of place. Hannah is pretty groan-worthy but those lines really didn't seem to fit. Hanna is the gooniest goon. She's the kind of post in E/N that pops up every week, except instead of living in her parent's basement she's living in the most expensive city in America. Which makes her consumption habits a bit outrageous. Those 5 cupakes she ate in the first episode probably came out to $25-$30.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 18:11 |
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Paperhouse posted:obviously it went on, she only read about four lines At this point I'd believe anything about Hannah's stupid writing, including that she's self-deluded enough to think that would be enough. It was also a dumb move to joke about finding her other essay stupid and therefore she wrote this on the way. Never give them something to roast you about. Still, nothing I've heard of Hannah's writing has been at all interesting or a even simply a good story. I'm starting to think that goes for Lena Durham and the show as well.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 19:21 |
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hepscat posted:
Are we back to hating the show now? It was obvious Hannah was an untalented, unmotivated and lazy character from episode one, somehow a lot of people in this thread forgot that. Hannah seems the complete opposite of Lena Dunham though, so saying Dunham is a bad writer is rather stupid. This show is obviously good enough to be given another season.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 22:04 |
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That's the thing -- We know she's unmotivated and lazy but we don't know if she's untalented. The episode kind of subverted the lecherous professor trope because their last scene together is him telling her he liked her initial story and that she should be more assertive. Her confidence issues are also pretty huge. The world's greatest artist will go unknown if they never put their work out there and risk rejection.
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| # ? Jun 11, 2012 22:20 |
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I think they were both in the wrong in the fight. Hannah's money issues are bad enough, but going so far as to literally state she doesn't care about Marnie's feelings is too far for me. That was disappointing, even for Hannah. I mean, how much of that fight could have been avoided if she just asked how Marnie was doing once in a while? On the other hand, Marnie probably should have told Hannah why she was angry rather than being so passive-aggressive and refusing Hannah's overtures. It makes me sad because I tuned in for a show about close friendship, and I hated to see that. Not that she show is bad now or anything, I still laughed a couple of times during the argument, and it would be ridiculous to document a friendship like that without covering the lows as well as the highs.
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 00:03 |
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Did anyone else think Marnie and Jessa's pupils were dilated to recreational-morphine levels during certain scenes in this episode? Marnie kind of looked like a snake-person in the first apartment scene. I was among the first-episode haters, but this series has grown on me with every episode from the third one forward.
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 00:10 |
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On the upside, Jessa is moving out and Marnie is throwing Hannah out. Sounds like it's time for the Shosh-Hannah Power Hour. 
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 00:26 |
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Is there a reason we need to experience Hannah being a good writer? I don't think I'd like whatever she wrote. If we actually read the things that she writes and people say are good then we're allowed to say the show is a shame and we're following a hack. Without that, we're able to subvert the quality of Hannah's ability and focus on the more interesting topics such as who are these (*) people in this group, what (*) things are they doing, and why are they doing this (*) stuff. *crummy
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 01:30 |
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What do you guys think Donald Glover's role will be next season? I guess he'll be The Pretty One's boyfriend.
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 17:01 |
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I like how this poster misses the point of Hannah being kinda dumpy
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 17:06 |
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niethan posted:I like how this poster misses the point of Hannah being kinda dumpy I like how this poster pretends that Shoshanna is a main character on par with the other three. I honestly think we're getting more Ray than Shoshanna. Not that I don't like Ray but I loves me some Shosh.
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 17:08 |
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niethan posted:I like how this poster misses the point of Hannah being kinda dumpy ^ nah Shoshannah looks like a stray lobotomy patient or something. The only thing I recognize about Hannah are the tattoos.
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 17:15 |
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fivre posted:^ nah Shoshannah looks like a stray lobotomy patient or something. Wait, she's not!?
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 17:32 |
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If you like to listen to podcasts then know that Lena Dunham is on the latest episode of the famous sports podcast BS Report.
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 17:34 |
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jyrka posted:If you like to listen to podcasts then know that Lena Dunham is on the latest episode of the famous sports podcast BS Report. I wonder how much of the feud between Hannah and Talia was intended to be a commentary on Lena's own life. I don't know if the whole series was in the can when it premiered, but a lot of Hannah's criticism of Talia is mirrored by the real life backlash against the show. What drove it home for me was Hannah bitching about Talia being on "Fresh Air", which reminded me that Lena has done Fresh Air herself (and was super excited to do it, apparently she's a massive Terry Gross fan). Talia is now a published author, who hangs out with the NPR/The New Yorker set at a very young age. Artists who find success early in life are often resented by those who are older and still struggling within their medium. I think a lot of the criticism of Girls comes from people who resent that it's an HBO show (the holy grail of TV among the "intelligensia") created, written, directed, produced and starring someone that is so young.
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 17:40 |
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Do people still resent/hate the show? I was pretty disappointed that it wasn't some "female" Louie and I thought the whitewashing criticism was valid, but I got over my disappointment pretty quickly.
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 18:22 |
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niethan posted:I like how this poster misses the point of Hannah being kinda dumpy Every time I see this poster I have to take a few moments to figure out which one Hannah is. What is everyone looking at, anyway? Shosh, I can understand, but Jessa looks like she just saw something amazing on a TV to the left. This poster really is the worst.
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 18:22 |
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SpaceMost posted:Do people still resent/hate the show? http://gawker.com/5917409/thats-whe...r-a-girls-recap
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 18:26 |
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Obnoxious. I wonder what made him decide to attack Hollywood nepotism, the fact that it's a show by and about girls, or the fact that it's a show by and about young 20-somethings. Or both! I should start a tumblr rewriting reviews to expose the ugly nepotism of the entertainment world: quote:Chunky and unkempt Judd Apatow's Friend meets tall, beautiful Norman Aladjem's Client (one of the more conspicuous charmers on Grey’s Anatomy) in a Los Angeles nightclub where she is celebrating, with her upscale married sister Judd Apatow's Wife, her promotion that day to an announcing job at the E! cable network, which is satirically lightweight in its media pressures from the word go. Ofc. Sex Robot BPD fucked around with this message at Jun 12, 2012 around 19:22 |
| # ? Jun 12, 2012 19:14 |
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SpaceMost posted:Obnoxious. It's like I said, there is a lot of animosity towards people who are successful young, so rather than acknowledge that maybe their success is related to talent or hard work, it must have been their parents and friends who are responsible for their success. Gawker also kind of sees itself as the arbiter of cool, so they were especially rubbed the wrong way by the "voice of my generation" marketing stuff.
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 19:22 |
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"That is because no one could ever hate me as much as I hate myself," says Laurie Simmons' daughter. The television show Girls is apparently an effort to locate such a person. The daughter bit is grating, but that's a funny line.
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| # ? Jun 12, 2012 19:25 |
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That Gawker writer is terrible - either he can't be bothered to actually learn the character's names, or he still thinks that writing The Drummer From Bad Company's Daughter and Brian Williams' Daughter and David Mamet's Daughter and Laurie Simmon's Daughter and all that other BS is still funny after two months. Who the hell even knows who the drummer from Bad Company or Laurie Simmons are, anyway? Aatrek fucked around with this message at Jun 13, 2012 around 01:36 |
| # ? Jun 13, 2012 01:33 |
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Yeah, I seriously only know of Laurie Simmons because she's Lena Dunham's mom.
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