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Tollymain
Jul 9, 2010

we are all fucked
we are all s8ved


Well, nonbenders can't spiderman across the city at a moment's notice

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ZeusJupitar
Jul 7, 2009


canned_fruit posted:

In my country "bender" is slang for one of them homosexuals. Therefore I believe the themes of Korra are obviously a thinly veiled commentary on the plight of our powerful, man-loving brothers who are being oppressed by the "non-benders" (straighties).

Amon represents one of those American evangelical preachers who try to 'cure' gays buy laying-on-of-hands.

Mixoux
Apr 10, 2008


Glitterbomber posted:

You can have a thread more than 'wow that was good' and not have people post their big spergpost about wild guesses based on a poor grasp of racial politics/histories.

It's miles better than the arguments over whether or not there's enough lightning benders to realistically power the city based on a single clip shown. Or warrants.

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007



namesake posted:

I've been doing a bit of thinking over these past two episodes about what the theme of the bending conflict is actually taking and unfortunately, despite the setting, I think it's a confused racial analogy which may well have a rather weak ending.
Your issue here is right from the start- it's not a racial analogy at all.

Race is an issue because some people see members of other races as foreigners or outsiders. Benders on the other hand have always lived beside non-benders. Everyone is used to this relationship.

I mean, if it was about race, Earth Nation people would be really pissed at Fire Nation people for the whole war thing, and settling on their lands. And that would give you stuff like earth bender against fire bender, not just non-bender against bender.

It's not a confused racial analogy at all- it's a lose class analogy if anything, with a bunch of original elements to it, not based on anything in particular.

Benders and normal people have lived together for ages no problem, and it's only at this point with these issues that the non-benders start to see things in a bender vs. non-bender way. In part this parallels people growing a class consciousness during the industrial revolution... but it's also in part due to the new post-national structure of Republic City tearing down the old concepts of "us" and "them", which has no real life parallel.

It's not a perfect analogy to anything, as class issues exist in addition to bending issues, and racial issues explicitly don't exist. It's an original idea.


As far as the ending goes, so far the show has not been very fair to the Equalists, and that's probably because we're meant to see it from Korra's perspective for the most part, and she still doesn't understand what they're about. I think the fairly obvious resolution is that at some point in the next few episodes, Korra will be put in a position to see for the first time what the actual issues are (we can imagine a lot of issues, but we haven't actually seen any besides the Bender Mafia), and the final battle will be accompanied by Korra publicly acknowledging that there are issues, and that they have to be addressed, but there are other ways to address them besides the Equalist way.

Eiba fucked around with this message at May 27, 2012 around 18:33

-Fish-
Oct 10, 2005

Glub glub.
Glub glub.



Fried Chicken posted:

I'm making do by trying to find an RPG mod/homebrew to do a Play by Post thread for an Avatar game. Unfortunately, what I'm finding so far is pretty much all structured around only benders doing dungeon crawls, and not anything that allows for a good, dynamic game. So I may have toi do the conversion myself, and unless that is something I can do quick and clean I'll probably get halfway and drop it. I'm gonna look at the faterpg system and see if that can be readily adapted to Avatar, they did a good job with the Dresden Files.

There is an excellent supplement on Scribd for DND 4e, each bending style is represented by a class and many of the normal styles from the series have representation as feat trees or paragon paths. There's even a White Lotus feat. It's all really well made too, and the creator is either still working on or has already released an updated version.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



namesake posted:

What's the story behind anyway? Why is it a guys heads?

It was taken from a comic-type pamphlet about autism spectrum disorders IIRC.

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

MORT


-Fish- posted:

There is an excellent supplement on Scribd for DND 4e, each bending style is represented by a class and many of the normal styles from the series have representation as feat trees or paragon paths. There's even a White Lotus feat. It's all really well made too, and the creator is either still working on or has already released an updated version.

I need this in my life.

Serella
Apr 24, 2008

Is that what you're posting?


Mixoux posted:

It's miles better than the arguments over whether or not there's enough lightning benders to realistically power the city based on a single clip shown. Or warrants.

No, it's really not. It's equally absurd as discussion of warrants and council make-up. There's plenty to discuss that isn't just "woah cool" but is also not "OMG Amon is really Aang."

-Fish-
Oct 10, 2005

Glub glub.
Glub glub.



Bongo Bill posted:

I need this in my life.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16920521/...ons-4th-Edition

Download link for the PDF, it's also been coded in the 4e Char Builder Mod thread.

The download page also has a link to the thread wherein updates are being decided upon. As of current the Earthbender's defender mechanic is a bit underpowered, but the coolness of it more than makes up for it. I ran a game a few months ago with two players using Firebender and Airbender, they were pretty darned effective.

Edit: Reply=/=Quote

Superstring
Jul 22, 2007

I thought I was going insane for a second.


-Fish- posted:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16920521/...ons-4th-Edition

Download link for the PDF, it's also been coded in the 4e Char Builder Mod thread.

The download page also has a link to the thread wherein updates are being decided upon. As of current the Earthbender's defender mechanic is a bit underpowered, but the coolness of it more than makes up for it. I ran a game a few months ago with two players using Firebender and Airbender, they were pretty darned effective.

Edit: Reply=/=Quote

Someone please run this on PBP...

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

dont fry me im no chicken


Superstring posted:

Someone please run this on PBP...

My laptop is down until at least thursday (power cord snapped, new one being shipped, i am on my phone here) at which point i'll take a look at the link and then see if it meets what i have been looking for. It sounds like an updated version of what i originally looked at, so it may suffice. If we are good to go i will try my hand at GM-ing a game in PBP. Fair warning - i have never GMed before.

My plan for a game would be set a year or so after the fall of Ozai, and would mainly be dealing with the aftereffects of the war. No airbenders (though maybe a warm up dungeon crawl trying to find some old stuff for Aang to rebuild the culture), most of it will be based on politics, crime, and general post war problems. Lots of intrigue and thinking, most combat will have repercussions, and basically the heroes will be dealing with things that set the stage for korra 70 years later.

Dementedghost
Jan 7, 2010

Running 1.86 miles without dying is literally impossible

Would you be ok with people new to 4e? Having played 3.5 and pathfinder before?

Tsampikos
May 4, 2009


Fried Chicken posted:

My plan for a game would be set a year or so after the fall of Ozai, and would mainly be dealing with the aftereffects of the war. No airbenders (though maybe a warm up dungeon crawl trying to find some old stuff for Aang to rebuild the culture), most of it will be based on politics, crime, and general post war problems. Lots of intrigue and thinking, most combat will have repercussions, and basically the heroes will be dealing with things that set the stage for korra 70 years later.

This sounds like a lot of fun and I'de be up for doing it.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

dont fry me im no chicken


Dementedghost posted:

Would you be ok with people new to 4e? Having played 3.5 and pathfinder before?

I'm not even super familiar with those systems (having only played a handful of times ) so yes? It will be a learning experience for us all.

Again, never GMed before so if you are super familiar with how to do it you may get frustrated. Or need to walk me through things (eg how much XP to allocate). Or both.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

I warned you about the stairs, bro!!!! I told you dog! I told you man! I told you about the stairs!


Fried Chicken posted:

I'm not even super familiar with those systems (having only played a handful of times ) so yes? It will be a learning experience for us all.

Again, never GMed before so if you are super familiar with how to do it you may get frustrated. Or need to walk me through things (eg how much XP to allocate). Or both.

My best advice is to not worry about XP, just have the party level up when it's most convenient for the game. I'll play the hell out of this game, and I although I have little to no TG street cred, I'm familiar enough with the system to help out if you need it.

Solaris Knight
Apr 26, 2010

Anything you can do, I can do better

Like enjoying My Little Pony, Homestuck, and Glee

namesake posted:

Anyway, my real hope for the finale:



vs



I think I figured out Amon's secret: he's actually a hyperevolved turtleduck who wants not just nonbender representation, but representation for his new race of humanoid animals!

SirKibbles
Feb 27, 2011

MY POLITICAL OPINIONS AND ICE-BURNS MAY SEEM OVERSIMPLIFIED AND CHILDISH DUE TO MY BROKEN RETARD GRAMMAR BUT DON'T WORRY THEY'RE COMPLETELY IDIOTIC JUVENILIA TO BEGIN WITH

Bocc Kob posted:

She didn't have to invent it, but she did pass it on to the Kyoshi Warriors at the end of the series and both they and Ty Lee were rather prominent people by then. How come the Equalists are the only ones to use chi-blocking so far in Korra's time?

I didn't say the police have a monopoly on metalbenders, I said metalbenders have a monopoly on the police. Their name is literally "Metalbending Police Force".

Who decided metalbending was the be-all end-all of law enforcement?

Honestly is anyone going to argue with Toph?....And live I mean.

X_Toad
Apr 2, 2011


Bocc Kob posted:

Who decided metalbending was the be-all end-all of law enforcement?

Probably Toph. I wouldn't be surprised if a part of the anti-benders sentiments stemmed from her actions and personality, she was a bit of a bully in the first series and sometimes sounded particularly dismissive of non-benders. It wouldn't surprise me if the authors decided to take this mostly comedic part of her personality and made it more serious when she's older.

Mixoux
Apr 10, 2008


Toph actually killed everyone's parents but they publically claimed it was a firebender so as to not anger her even more.

Baron Bifford
May 24, 2006


Bocc Kob posted:

How come the Equalists are the only ones to use chi-blocking so far in Korra's time?
There the only ones we have seen.

dog days are over
Feb 11, 2008

Under da sea
Under da sea
Gankin' is betta
Down where it's wetta
Take it from me~


Phew, I've just watched the entirety of ATLA over the course of about four days.

I tried watching ATLA years ago but I couldn't get into it, then I tried again last year and got up to episode 10-ish of the first season and I still couldn't get into it. Someone recommended Korra to me and after being pretty meh for three episodes for some reason I was suddenly hooked, so I bought a Netflix subscription to go back and watch ATLA again in case it was necessary to understand Korra better for the future. Turns out that no I wasn't really missing too much, except that my life has been enriched by the Ember Island Players and I'm glad I watched the whole series because that episode made it worth it, as 'eh' as I feel about the series overall.

Am I missing anything from the story? Was there meant to be something happening with Zuko's mum?

Phil Resch
May 11, 2006
Goon Through Charity (And Don't I Forget It)



dog days are over posted:

Am I missing anything from the story? Was there meant to be something happening with Zuko's mum?

Not really. There's a comic series called The Promise that bridges the gap between ATLA and LOK which addresses the Zuko's mom thing, but only the first of three books is out so far, and it remains to be seen if it'll resolve the matter.

But really, in the first episode of Korra, it's just a callback to the original series. And also a gentle teasing of the heavily invested fans who have been speculating about it for several years now. (The series creators enjoy a good relationship with their fans, but part of that involves a little good-natured trolling now and again.)

Chief Savage Man
Jul 19, 2010

i care, i'm listening, i can help you without giving any advice


The second of the comic series releases on Wednesday I believe.

VocalizePlayerDeath
Jan 29, 2009


Mixoux posted:

Toph actually killed everyone's parents but they publically claimed it was a firebender so as to not anger her even more.

Pretty sure that was Lord Me Lon.

Phil Resch
May 11, 2006
Goon Through Charity (And Don't I Forget It)



Chief Savage Man posted:

The second of the comic series releases on Wednesday I believe.

Could be. I knew it was soon, but didn't feel like looking it up.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012


blurry! posted:

If the Equalists are just a simple brand of myopic racists, and Korra mops the floor with them, I hope it happens by the end of season 1, so then we see that everyone still sucks in Republic City even after Amon has been dealt with. Poverty and crime still run rampant. Tarlokk has seized an inordinate amount of power, and doesn't raise a finger to help non-benders, because it really doesn't net him more clout.

I see Tarlokk being the antagonist of season 2. He's grabbing more and more power as the episodes roll out. The rest of the council simply sides with him, except Tenzin, he formed his own militia, and now has deposed Lin, through simple political machinations, as the leader of the main police force. I see him attempting to do something about Tenzin soon, his main rival and voice of dissent. Korra learns to airbend, using her newfound and rounded abilities to defeat the Equalists. She then learns that the sentiment that gave rise to the Equalists is not simply quashed by a simple victory. Tarlokk, now the unquestioned authority in Republic City, cracks down hard as hell on dissent, including labeling Korra a trouble maker and instigator. Everything we've been waiting to see that justifies the Equalists is brought to center stage in a stroke of irony, now that the Equalists are gone.

Korra then has to learn to handle Avatar problems that don't have to do with fighting. It goes back to Tenzin saying "being the Avatar is not all about fighting!" This is where Spirit comes in.

This would literally make Tarlokk Hitler.

He is a young, rising star in a severely destabilized country. Using general paranoia and the actions of some unruly revolutionaries, he has built a strong base of supporters. His continued popularity is a result of close involvement with the people. Meanwhile, his opposition has been discredited due to their apparent uselessness. He has literally started building militias and seems to have just officially taken over the police force.

Really, all he needs to do is burn the Reichstag City Hall and get the Council to pass Enabling Acts.

I'm all for analogues and references with the real world, but that seems way to close to reality.

Hobohemian
Sep 29, 2005


Do you know what the word "literally" actually means?

Captain Foxy
Jun 13, 2007

I love Hitler and Hitler loves me! He's not all bad, Hitler just needs someone to believe in him! Can't you just give Hitler a chance?


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Hobohemian posted:

Do you know what the word "literally" actually means?

The usage in that sense is accepted by Merriam Webster and Oxford both, and has been for a few years now. It's actually now considered correct in accordance with modern usage.

I agree it's not the 'correct' usage in the strictest sense but being a pedantic grammar nazi helps no one.

jscolon2.0
Jul 9, 2001

With great payroll, comes great disappointment.


Captain Foxy posted:

I agree it's not the 'correct' usage in the strictest sense but being a pedantic grammar nazi helps no one.

I believe you mean pedantic grammar Tarrlok.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952

SirKibbles posted:

Honestly is anyone going to argue with Toph?....And live I mean.

X_Toad posted:

Probably Toph.

Those two posts are on different topics but work so well together.

Captain Foxy
Jun 13, 2007

I love Hitler and Hitler loves me! He's not all bad, Hitler just needs someone to believe in him! Can't you just give Hitler a chance?


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Tarrlok has a polar bear dog named Blondie.

Miniature Moose
Mar 14, 2009


I have it set up on my DVR where it tapes all new Korra episodes. I worked all weekend, and didn't have internet until Saturday night, so today was the first chance for me to watch it (after working a 14 hour shift yesterday and not getting home till 2 am).

Me: Happy Memorial Day! Lets watch Korra kick the crap out of people!
DVR: LOOK HERE AT THIS KORRA EPISODE I TAPED ON SATURDAY.
Me: Yay! New episode!
Korra: Just kidding! I'm episode 1!
Me: Dammit....*keeps it on*

Also just found out that Tahno is voiced by the Egyptian pharaoh guy from Night at the Museum. I knew he sounded familiar somehow.

theblackw0lf
Apr 14, 2003

"...creating a vision of the sort of society you want to have in miniature"

dog days are over posted:

Phew, I've just watched the entirety of ATLA over the course of about four days.

I tried watching ATLA years ago but I couldn't get into it, then I tried again last year and got up to episode 10-ish of the first season and I still couldn't get into it. Someone recommended Korra to me and after being pretty meh for three episodes for some reason I was suddenly hooked, so I bought a Netflix subscription to go back and watch ATLA again in case it was necessary to understand Korra better for the future. Turns out that no I wasn't really missing too much, except that my life has been enriched by the Ember Island Players and I'm glad I watched the whole series because that episode made it worth it, as 'eh' as I feel about the series overall.

Am I missing anything from the story? Was there meant to be something happening with Zuko's mum?

Did you think Zuko's character arc was an "eh"?

Honestly that's what made the show for me. Zuko Alone is in my top 3 episodes of the show.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012


Hobohemian posted:

Do you know what the word "literally" actually means?

Yes, sorry. That was a bit of a stupid grammatical mistake on my part.

I am probably reading too much into the quoted speculation and Tarrlok's character as a whole. Obvious parallels like that just bother me and I hope that the writers would try to be more creative.

EDIT: On reflection, I think I really am just reading too much into this. I'm sorry for bothering; please ignore.

QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at May 28, 2012 around 20:49

blurry!
Jun 14, 2006

Sorry for Party Flocking


QuoProQuid posted:

This would literally make Tarlokk Hitler.

He is a young, rising star in a severely destabilized country. Using general paranoia and the actions of some unruly revolutionaries, he has built a strong base of supporters. His continued popularity is a result of close involvement with the people. Meanwhile, his opposition has been discredited due to their apparent uselessness. He has literally started building militias and seems to have just officially taken over the police force.

Really, all he needs to do is burn the Reichstag City Hall and get the Council to pass Enabling Acts.

I'm all for analogues and references with the real world, but that seems way to close to reality.

I'm sure Hitler is not the first dictator in history to ascend through subtle political machinations and deposing rivals while taking control of law enforcement along the way.

If Korra and Amon finish their business at the end of season 1, which is pretty safe to say because they are trying to make each season more self-contained, then they'd need a antagonist for season 2. Better to have one that isn't unprecedented and out of the blue. Tarlokk is rising in power in this season, anybody can see, and he's not exactly Mr. Nice Guy. He's formed his own militia, he's swept in to take control of the main law enforcement body, and I doubt it's going to stop there. He will probably begin to figure out a way to depose Tenzin, his major political rival. Tenzin is the mentor and friend of the Avatar. Things will come to a head, I'm sure.

blurry! fucked around with this message at May 28, 2012 around 21:32

Tartarus Sauce
Jan 16, 2006


friendship is magic
in a pony paradise
don't you judge me

Captain Foxy posted:

Tarrlok has a polar bear dog named Blondie.

You are my new favorite person, until I discover a new favorite person.

Who would Tarrlok's Eva Braun be, then?

Seriously, Tarrlok seems more like a Talleyrand-type-of-a-guy, than a Hitler-type-of-a-guy. But, that may change!

Tartarus Sauce fucked around with this message at May 28, 2012 around 20:54

Captain Foxy
Jun 13, 2007

I love Hitler and Hitler loves me! He's not all bad, Hitler just needs someone to believe in him! Can't you just give Hitler a chance?


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Your usename is awesome.

Tartarus Sauce posted:

Who would Tarrlok's Eva Braun be, then?

Well, first he has to have a neice and be super creepy with her, leading to her suicide, but I think we all know the old Firebender council lady is the clear choice.

dog days are over
Feb 11, 2008

Under da sea
Under da sea
Gankin' is betta
Down where it's wetta
Take it from me~


theblackw0lf posted:

Did you think Zuko's character arc was an "eh"?

The first series to me was awful, sorry, and I was getting really impatient because people had kept telling me 'STICK WITH IT, IT GETS GOOD' and it did finally get good but I felt like I'd gone through too many episodes I didn't enjoy by that point. I dunno it just felt too young for me, which is fine because I wasn't the target audience.

But yes, Zuko went from incredibly dull villain to an actual good character so fair enough for his arc. The characters all developed pretty well, it's just the fact season 1 was so.. I dunno. Childish? Which is fine, it just affected my opinion on the show overall because I watched it all in so short a space of time so it was still fresh in my mind. If I was gonna recommend the show to anybody I'd tell them to skip the first season.

RembrandtQEinstein
Jul 1, 2009


dog days are over posted:

The first series to me was awful, sorry, and I was getting really impatient because people had kept telling me 'STICK WITH IT, IT GETS GOOD' and it did finally get good but I felt like I'd gone through too many episodes I didn't enjoy by that point. I dunno it just felt too young for me, which is fine because I wasn't the target audience.

But yes, Zuko went from incredibly dull villain to an actual good character so fair enough for his arc. The characters all developed pretty well, it's just the fact season 1 was so.. I dunno. Childish? Which is fine, it just affected my opinion on the show overall because I watched it all in so short a space of time so it was still fresh in my mind. If I was gonna recommend the show to anybody I'd tell them to skip the first season.

I wouldn't. I blew through the entire series in about 3-4 days as well, and I'm extremely glad I watched S1.

Season one up until the Storm is "childish", and the whole season is childish compared to S2 and S3. Then Toph shows up in Season 2 and . It's still great, because we get episodes like the blue spirit.

Of course we can't forget things like this in S3, what I consider the crowning moment of the show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCXHi0kFucc

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Froodulous
Feb 29, 2008

Hey, head pigeon, is this a bad post?


RembrandtQEinstein posted:

Of course we can't forget things like this in S3, what I consider the crowning moment of the show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCXHi0kFucc

I think you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ8aLRnd80k

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