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Roke. posted:What I thought of immediately My GIRLFRIEND just brought up a good point. That episode took place on Kyioshi Island, part of the Earth Kingdom. Why are they wearing Water Tribe clothes?
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 06:26 |
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| # ? May 25, 2013 03:11 |
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blurry! posted:Mako
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 06:28 |
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Arbitrary Coin posted:drat, Mako really is more, dare I say, sympathetic?, when you look at him as still partially being the starving street kid looking after his brother. It doesn't make Mako any more fun to watch on-screen, but it is a really, really good interpretation of his character.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 08:44 |
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Very nice. I think it might be a little dark for a kids show, but it's a great interpretation intended or not.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 08:45 |
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Detective No. 27 posted:My GIRLFRIEND just brought up a good point. That episode took place on Kyioshi Island, part of the Earth Kingdom. Why are they wearing Water Tribe clothes? OH SO JUST CAUSE SOMEONE BE WEARING BLUE YOU JUST UP AND DECIDE THEY ARE WATER TRIBE CLOTHES! racist elementalist whatever! I think Avatar is a real clever show when it comes to clothing and how they represent the characters motivations/personalities/and history. Kyoshi cut off ties from the Earth Kingdom and they are an island so they must import a lot of clothing and whatnot. So they probably trade with the Southern Water Tribe for most of their stuff and what they do get from the Earth Kingdom they probably prefer non-Earth Kingdom styles. Only the Kyoshi warriors wear the traditional greens and that's because they are based off of the outfit that Kyoshi wore. 
randombattle fucked around with this message at Jun 19, 2012 around 08:50 |
| # ? Jun 19, 2012 08:47 |
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blurry! posted:Mako interpretation Wow, I might have to go back and re-watch the series with this in mind. I've had almost no idea of what to make of Mako up to this point.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 09:46 |
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Iroh? I really don't like the reusing of names. It was bad enough they named the most boring, least likeable character after a dead actor from the series. Anyway, enjoyed the episode. Tenzin and Lin are the best. But once again seconding (hundredding) the complaints about the awful love triangle drama.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 11:42 |
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I like that take on Mako too. Seems like it'd explain Mako ending up with Korra if that actually happens down the road. Anyway, made an imgur-sized gif of my favorite part of the episode:  The first time I watched this my mouth was hanging open because I was half-expecting Lin to lose her bending after her "Whatever happens to me" line and therefore imagined they were going to let her go all-out with her powers.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 11:43 |
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VagueRant posted:Iroh? I really don't like the reusing of names. It was bad enough they named the most boring, least likeable character after a dead actor from the series. While the Mako thing is debatable, it'd actually kind of be out of character for Zuko not to make sure the Iroh name doesn't get reused given his love for him. Anyways, in regards to Mako it's a pretty interesting take on the character. The only problem I see with it being that Mako is instantly smitten with Asami as soon as he sees her, and before he knows about her money/connections. It could just be that he thinks she's a lot more attractive physically than Korra or something though I guess. I'm with dj_clawson though, it doesn't really make him anymore entertaining to watch, and doesn't answer why both Asami and Korra are so in to him. Well, beyond physical attraction anyways. He's only a so-so firebender, and even in his profession of pro-bending doesn't come across as exceptional most of the time. I suppose he might be supposed to be best of the best at it, but I never really got that sense from the show at least. tsob fucked around with this message at Jun 19, 2012 around 12:10 |
| # ? Jun 19, 2012 11:57 |
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Willsun posted:I like that take on Mako too. Seems like it'd explain Mako ending up with Korra if that actually happens down the road. That woman is my hero.  
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 12:04 |
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blurry! posted:stuff about Mako Wow, suddenly Mako is a much more interesting character to me. I would love to see someone ask Bryan and Mike about this.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 12:49 |
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VagueRant posted:Iroh? I really don't like the reusing of names. It was bad enough they named the most boring, least likeable character after a dead actor from the series. Royal families re-use names all the time, it's a way of reinforcing dynastic continuity.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 13:02 |
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Willsun posted:I like that take on Mako too. Seems like it'd explain Mako ending up with Korra if that actually happens down the road. I honestly thought she'd emulate dear old mum and wreck the the insides with her metal armor. But that was great nonetheless.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 13:43 |
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Rigged Death Trap posted:I honestly thought she'd emulate dear old mum and wreck the the insides with her metal armor. If only Sokka was there to show her the ultimate technique in aerial combat. Airship Slice!
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 14:02 |
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I love how you guys can spend hours psychoanalysing fictional characters from a cartoon where the story is a little rushed. A better approach would be to analyze Brian and Michael and try to figure out what the hell they were thinking when they wrote all this.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 14:11 |
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Jorghnassen posted:There's no evidence of that. His skin is scarred and he lacks an eyebrow, but the eye itself appeared to have no damage, and Zuko never complained about vision problems. This is going back a couple of pages, but that's not quite true. This is one of the subtleties I love about the animation on the original show. Just as Toph leads with her ears when listening, Zuko looks out of the corner of his good eye when he's glancing right but often turns his head entirely when he's trying to look left, insinuating that his range of sight in that eye is diminished.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 14:19 |
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Baron Bifford posted:I love how you guys can spend hours psychoanalysing fictional characters from a cartoon where the story is a little rushed. A better approach would be to analyze Brian and Michael and try to figure out what the hell they were thinking when they wrote all this. "Welp it's a show about teenagers, better add some romance."
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 14:22 |
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Baron Bifford posted:I love how you guys can spend hours psychoanalysing fictional characters from a cartoon where the story is a little rushed. A better approach would be to analyze Brian and Michael and try to figure out what the hell they were thinking when they wrote all this. It didn't take me long to analyze Mako's character. He literally has no other personality besides gold-digger/impoverished-man-trying-to-make-it. Why now of all times is he ~*seeing Korra*~? In the episode The Aftermath, he's willing to end his friendship with Korra over her investigation of Sato's estate. In the very next episode, When Extremes Meet, Asami is now on the streets with no money at all. This is the episode where Mako starts acting on his interest in Korra (all the romance between Korra and Mako previous was initiated by Korra, and now Mako is helping Korra into the car all gentleman-like). Why the shift? If you wanna be pessimistic about it, Bryan and Mike just thought this was the time to make the love triangle swing into full gear, but just reading this thread, people haven't responded that well to it. A more optimistic view of the writing shows us the only real shift in the relationship dynamics is Asami's social stature. Korra hasn't changed, Mako hasn't changed, but Asami's wealth has changed. And now Mako is less receptive to her. It's really the only on-screen, concrete thing we see. Otherwise we have to just conjecture about what Mako's thinking, or some unseen shift in their relationship.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 14:40 |
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Arbitrary Coin posted:drat, Mako really is more, dare I say, sympathetic?, when you look at him as still partially being the starving street kid looking after his brother. If he's treating Asami badly because she's not rich anymore that makes him even more of a tremendous rear end in a top hat, actually. Giant Goats posted:This is going back a couple of pages, but that's not quite true. This is one of the subtleties I love about the animation on the original show. Just as Toph leads with her ears when listening, Zuko looks out of the corner of his good eye when he's glancing right but often turns his head entirely when he's trying to look left, insinuating that his range of sight in that eye is diminished. Holy poo poo, I'm going to end up rewatching the series just to look for this now you jerk.  (Actually I'm a couple years overdue for more TLA anyway, but this is going to make it extra fun. I love little things like that.)
mushroom_spore fucked around with this message at Jun 19, 2012 around 16:01 |
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Baron Bifford posted:I love how you guys can spend hours psychoanalysing fictional characters from a cartoon where the story is a little rushed. A better approach would be to analyze Brian and Michael and try to figure out what the hell they were thinking when they wrote all this. What's the point of that when the author is dead?
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 16:00 |
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Hobohemian posted:What's the point of that when the author is dead? ...say what? 
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 16:20 |
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Death of the author.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 16:22 |
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Not gonna lie, I was rather disappointed by the latest episode.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 16:24 |
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Wahad posted:...say what? Literary criticism term http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_the_Author Intentional or not, that interpretation of Mako's motivations as a character do make sense. Personally, he is not much of a likable character due to how limited of a perspective we get of him. Bolin is sort of the same, but at least he is a entertaining character when he does get screen time. Optimus Subprime fucked around with this message at Jun 19, 2012 around 16:26 |
| # ? Jun 19, 2012 16:24 |
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Well, I feel ignorant now. Carry on, nothing to see here! I do like blurry!'s interpretation of Mako, but I don't feel it makes Mako any more likeable, really. Understandable, though. I do want to see his opinion on other people (most prominently Bolin, who has also gotten a very limited amount of screentime).
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 16:30 |
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I'm starting to think Amon's interest in equality is rooted in benders being the most capable of stopping his world domination plans. He's probably got no issue with them despite his made-up firebender-Batman origin story.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 16:49 |
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I'd be really disappointed if Amon wasn't who he said he was.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 17:34 |
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Does anyone else think Korra might learn/figure out how to restore bending for those that lost it? She can't even airbend yet so it seems like a bit of a stretch but maybe this could be her big contribution to bending history?
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 17:55 |
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Baron Bifford posted:I'd be really disappointed if Amon wasn't who he said he was. Pretty much. Learning about how and why the spirits chose him is probably the most interesting conclusion he can have. Also I'd question blurrys analysis about how far Asami has fallen. She managed to bring a lot of things with her to the island, obviously she still had access to her house and was trusted not to be removing evidence. She also got the car, and got it to the island (for some reason) and back which seems to show she's still got resources. With her rejection of her father in front of basically unquestionable witnesses and continued association with Korra and Tenzin, I figure she's not really viewed by society as any worse off except for not having a father looking out for her any more. If blurry is correct about Mako seeking prestige and security then it's not Korra or Asami or Mako or anyones views of them which has changed, it's just the entire situation. Republic City was getting increasingly physically dangerous and is occupied by Equalists. Right now he needs a fighter and although Asami can take care of herself, there's nothing like having an Avatar on your side. I can imagine this ramping up his desire to be close to Korra correlating with the general level of danger. When Amon is defeated, he's going to swing way back to Asami. I actually don't think the narrative will go this way because it's a pretty big dick move to the audience but we'll see.
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HondaCivet posted:Does anyone else think Korra might learn/figure out how to restore bending for those that lost it? She can't even airbend yet so it seems like a bit of a stretch but maybe this could be her big contribution to bending history?
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HondaCivet posted:Does anyone else think Korra might learn/figure out how to restore bending for those that lost it? She can't even airbend yet so it seems like a bit of a stretch but maybe this could be her big contribution to bending history? What I think is going to happen (or should I call this my theory?) is that Korra is going to lose her bending to Amon someway or another and it's going to be this season finale's cliffhanger. In season 2, with her bending taken away, she would have to focus on get into her spiritual side in an attempt to enter the Spirit World. She would then have to find a way to get her bending back and/or figure out how to energy bend and eventually restore people's bending powers while Amon wages war against General Iroh's forces. That or Korra gets pissed and goes into the Avatar-state and kicks Amon's butt in the next episode and we're going to have to figure out what the next conflict or villain is going to be in the next season.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 20:13 |
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Lone_Strider posted:I'm kinda hoping it all ties into the "illusion of separation". Instead of Korra going into the Avatar state when Amon tries to de-bend her, they both wind up in the spirit world, exposition happens, Korra learns how to expel the "illusion" and becomes able to show others, even non-benders. Amon's argument is diffused as equality no longer becomes an issue as everyone has the potential to overcome the illusion and start bending. That would be amazing although a world where everyone could bend all elements might be weird. It'd be really hard to figure out who the Avatar is each generation. 
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Funkz posted:What I think is going to happen (or should I call this my theory?) is that Korra is going to lose her bending to Amon someway or another and it's going to be this season finale's cliffhanger. In season 2, with her bending taken away, she would have to focus on get into her spiritual side in an attempt to enter the Spirit World. She would then have to find a way to get her bending back and/or figure out how to energy bend and eventually restore people's bending powers while Amon wages war against General Iroh's forces. This is what I was thinking, but that leaves Amon as a main antagonist, and isn't he supposed to be the antagonist of this season only? Next season starts fresh? Because there's a big difference between series bad guy and season bad guy.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 21:04 |
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dj_clawson posted:This is what I was thinking, but that leaves Amon as a main antagonist, and isn't he supposed to be the antagonist of this season only? Next season starts fresh? Because there's a big difference between series bad guy and season bad guy. This is one of the reasons I was annoyed Tarlokk was taken down, I would have liked to see him as the villain of the second season.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 21:25 |
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If equalizing is reversable I will be sorely disappointed. If Amon is Koh, Aang, a robot, Meng, or any other inane theory, I will be disappointed. If Asami turns evil I will be disappointed. If Tarlokk was in cahoots with the Equalists like the movies known for its intelligent handling of political intrigue, the Star Wars Prequels, I will be sorely disappointed. Not an inane thread theory, but if Korra simply defeats Amon in a fight and that's it, I will be more disappointed than any of the above theories.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 21:28 |
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Yonic Symbolism posted:If equalizing is reversable I will be sorely disappointed. I'm pretty sure no matter what happens in the finale everyone, save the diehards and apologists, will be disappointed in some way. Don't get me wrong, I'm not pointing fingers or calling anyone out in this thread with that. The best way I heard this show described was linked a few pages ago "A well-animated wreck". 12 episodes just isn't enough to tell the type of story the creators want to tell. A short series like that is better suited to self-contained adventures than an overall story arc. If they do dedicate it to a story arc then they have to trim the fat something fierce and focus on one or two things the entire time for it to work. It's a shame that it took four years to get a new series and this is what we got. Maybe they should have approached Cartoon Network to carry the show since that station has ramped up the young adult Saturday morning cartoon content in recent years.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 21:36 |
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If Amon gets taken down in the next two episodes he better be the Hannibal Lecter to Korra's Clarice Starling in season 2.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 21:39 |
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dj_clawson posted:This is what I was thinking, but that leaves Amon as a main antagonist, and isn't he supposed to be the antagonist of this season only? Next season starts fresh? Because there's a big difference between series bad guy and season bad guy. Has it been said that he was this season's antagonist only? Because personally I think it would be a shame if he isn't at large in season 2. Also I'm having a hard time figuring out who would be season's 2 antagonist with Tarlokk taken out/powerless.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 21:41 |
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The can make up a new villain... I think calling it a wreck is going too far. I still think they've got a plan to pull everything together. But, that may be the same naivete that thought LOST was going to pull things together.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2012 21:49 |
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So, Asami. A lot of people are mostly defining Asami by her relationship with Mako, which I think is interesting because I feel like the creators have done what they could (in the extremely limited time they had) to show us that Asami defines herself. She isn't interested in letting anybody box her in-- not racers on a track, not her father's expectations, and not Mako's ideas of managing a relationship. I enjoyed her fights the most in the last episode and one thing that I thought was extremely characteristic was that she simply does not hesitate. She has a really clear idea of who she is and what she wants at any given moment. That shows up in how she fights; she's always completely grounded, focused, and utterly lethal. She's an interesting contrast to Korra. Both of them were born to positions that define almost every aspect of their lives. Korra has been content to let herself be defined by her position, even though she definitely has her own personality and moments of rebellion. Asami, on the other hand, makes an effort to run her own life. Korra is still basically a child, while Asami reads as an adult. I don't thin k Asami is there to antagonize people, I think she's there to promote Korra's growth toward adulthood by providing a positive example. (It may be important in the next season that Korra has been the Avatar since she was small and most Avatars aren't informed of that until they've had a chance to develop as a person first. Having that kind of example in somebody around her own age could come in handy!) I don't actually think the show has a 'romance plot' so much as interpersonal relationships which happen to sometimes deal with kissing. The overall message of the show on that subject seems to be that relationships can run a lot deeper than kissing, and last a long time even after kissing's done, as with Lin and Tenzin.
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