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Bongo Bill posted:Bloodbending isn't taking control of somebody, it's just moving their body around in a rather crude way. It can be quite scary to be on the receiving end of it, especially if you don't know that it exists, because it involves your body being moved at a distance, but it doesn't involve a loss of free will or anything like that. Therefore I don't think it introduces extraordinary or unique ethical questions. Woah what do you know it, it turns out it is taking control of somebody. See above.
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Walking an unconscious comrade out of danger. Restarting someone's heart. Stopping blood flow in a toxic wound. Letting the crippled walk again. Increasing blood flow to help people. All good applications of blood bending.
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Deep Winter posted:Walking an unconscious comrade out of danger. Restarting someone's heart. Stopping blood flow in a toxic wound. Letting the crippled walk again. Increasing blood flow to help people. It seemed a lot more clumsy than all that.
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| # ? May 9, 2012 00:25 |
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Captain Oblivious posted:gently caress the haters, this episode owned. Every time it felt like it might get too serious, something completely ridiculous (and hilarious) happened. The timing was just perfect, the fights were fun to watch, and Bolin is the best character. Whoever does Bolin is honestly one of the best voice actors I've ever heard. There's so much life and personality flowing from the character.
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Deuce posted:It seemed a lot more clumsy than all that. Why couldn't it be refined? As we've seen it, it's a thing one person figured out how to do on her own, surely there is a lot more potential there, whether good or bad.
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Captain Oblivious posted:gently caress the haters, this episode owned. Every time it felt like it might get too serious, something completely ridiculous (and hilarious) happened. The timing was just perfect, the fights were fun to watch, and Bolin is the best character. Bolin was the best until he threw up and the announcer guy figured that was a good time to give a shoutout to their food sponsors. Then the announcer became my favorite.
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| # ? May 9, 2012 01:33 |
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It reminded me of the time when I went to a minor-league baseball game and the hitter got beaned in the face by a pitch. While he was writhing around in agony, the announcer goes "That hit by pitch was brought to you by Kimball Medical Center."
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| # ? May 9, 2012 01:42 |
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No1throwdown posted:Medical procedure? Katara used it twice, to stop Hama, and when she was on a crazy revenge trip that was honestly a bit disturbing. I feel like this Bloodbending talk is just more of the same "gotta connect everything in the new series to the old series" wankery. Why does Bloodbending even need to be brought back?
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| # ? May 9, 2012 02:08 |
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I liked bloodbending because it gave waterbending a sinister side compared to the more benevolent healing applications. Just thought it was a neat addition. But yeah it doesn't really need to make a comeback. Is there a reason this has been brought up so much (a leak or what have you) or is this just idle chat?
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Chief Savage Man posted:I liked bloodbending because it gave waterbending a sinister side compared to the more benevolent healing applications. Just thought it was a neat addition. But yeah it doesn't really need to make a comeback. Is there a reason this has been brought up so much (a leak or what have you) or is this just idle chat? I heard it was mentioned on the Korra website, though I didn't see it there myself. It's not a stretch to expect bending techniques mentioned there to come up in the new show.
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| # ? May 9, 2012 02:18 |
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Chief Savage Man posted:I liked bloodbending because it gave waterbending a sinister side compared to the more benevolent healing applications. Just thought it was a neat addition. But yeah it doesn't really need to make a comeback. Is there a reason this has been brought up so much (a leak or what have you) or is this just idle chat? The rival bending champions are lead by a guy that looks like Dracula.
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Je suis fatigue posted:I feel like this Bloodbending talk is just more of the same "gotta connect everything in the new series to the old series" wankery. Why does Bloodbending even need to be brought back? So, lightning and metal bending is fine, but bloodbending is fan wankery? Waterbending is nortoriusly considered a passive, defensive style. It's the only bending that can heal. Bloodbending is more offensive, scary power. And yeah, old Swag dude probably sparkles in the sunlight.
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Je suis fatigue posted:Katara used it twice, to stop Hama, and when she was on a crazy revenge trip that was honestly a bit disturbing. I feel like this Bloodbending talk is just more of the same "gotta connect everything in the new series to the old series" wankery. Why does Bloodbending even need to be brought back? That was like my favorite favorite episode of Book 3! To see Korra driven to the edge of madness by rage was amazing and dark. It really shows what you can accomplish with waterbending. Anyway, I don't think that bloodbending is too novel an idea not to be impossible to invent multiple times. Toph's discovery of metal bending was the fortunate intersection of various events-- a talented prodigy earthbender, her blindness leading her to be more sensitive to the compositions of substances, and a situation of duress while being trapped inside a metal box. It's easy to see how, if Toph had never been imprisoned in a metal box, or if Toph had been able to see, or if Toph had never been born, metalbending would've never been invented. Bloodbending, however, is probably something that many people might've thought of doing.
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New preview Pretty spoilery one too
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Lord Lambeth posted:Pretty spoilery Damnit how am i supposed to not watch this for 4 days?
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i hate meatloaf posted:I can't decide if I want Asami to be an equalist or not. On one hand I love me some bad bitches, but on the other Korra needs a female friend her own age. I personally feel that what Korra needs most right now is a sassy gay friend.
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| # ? May 9, 2012 03:28 |
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Lord Lambeth posted:New preview
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Lord Lambeth posted:New preview Am I the only one who's been disappointed with Amon's dialogue all season? I mean, maybe it's just rose-tinted glasses, but the villains in TLA were excellently written and superbly voiced, and it seems to me like they're just squandering Blum's incredible voice acting ability with piss-poor "herp de derp I will hold the world ransom for ONE MILLION DOLLARS" talk.
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| # ? May 9, 2012 03:52 |
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Well then, I guess that tells us what the context for that one second clip of Korra, Bolin, and Mako going "YAY!" at the Council that aired in the preview after the last episode (in between message board comments being read out loud.) I can't wait to hear everyone go "NO AMON ISN'T A BAD GUY HE'S JUST THREATING THE CITY WITH HORRIBLE THINGS!"  Perhaps now people will stop pretending Amon is some glorious and noble freedom fighter who doesn't want anything bad to happen.
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| # ? May 9, 2012 03:53 |
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This should've been part of the latest episode, at the very end. Just listen to the dissonant chords of the music in the last seconds of that clip! It sounds like it's about to play the music at the end of a LOST episode!
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randombattle posted:I can't wait to hear everyone go "NO AMON ISN'T A BAD GUY HE'S JUST THREATING THE CITY WITH HORRIBLE THINGS!" Next Week Motivation Spoiler: He doesn't want anything bad to happen. All you have to do is call off the Pro-Bending. Would be such a shame too if they didn't, all those poor people getting hurt by faulty construction.
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randombattle posted:I can't wait to hear everyone go "NO AMON ISN'T A BAD GUY HE'S JUST THREATING THE CITY WITH HORRIBLE THINGS!" Yeah, because it is totally unreasonable to call for the closing of a sporting event due to oppression of a group. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_S...lympics_boycott 
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Fried Chicken posted:Yeah, because it is totally unreasonable to call for the closing of a sporting event due to oppression of a group. Yeah because saying you wont participate is the same as threatening a whole city.  Why is everyone so dumb about this! He is a bad guy! He has done bad things on screen!
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randombattle posted:Yeah because saying you wont participate is the same as threatening a whole city. Because I will honestly be very angry if they try to resolve this with "Amon never believed in what he was doing and there was never any real problem at all! Silly non benders being tricked into feeling oppressed! Ha Ha Ha!"
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7c Nickel posted:Because I will honestly be very angry if they try to resolve this with "Amon never believed in what he was doing and there was never any real problem at all! Silly non benders being tricked into feeling oppressed! Ha Ha Ha!" It doesn't have to be one or the other though. Amon can be a bad guy even though he believes in something that can be good. Zuko was a bad guy at the start even though he just wanted his father to like him. Being a bad guy who does bad things doesn't prevent nonbenders from feeling oppressed. It's just ridiculous to say "Haha no Amon is secretly a great guy who is just acting out against the evil and it's a coincidence he threatens and kidnaps people!"
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7c Nickel posted:Because I will honestly be very angry if they try to resolve this with "Amon never believed in what he was doing and there was never any real problem at all! Silly non benders being tricked into feeling oppressed! Ha Ha Ha!" I don't think very many people are saying this. Certainly fewer than are saying the equally trite and narratively far less likely, "And the reveal should be that Amon is totally justified and righteous, and a real hero would join him to tear down bending forever!" There's no question that inequality is a real problem, and that benders have obvious advantages. But it's more complicated than that too: benders living as street kids, or only even able to have a "professional" sports career through a day job and help from a wealthy non-bending patron suggest that much. Power, and lack of it, exists in multiple ways in Republic City, and those who lack it are constantly under the thumbs of those that have it. Non benders (and more broadly the socially, physically, or financially "weak" of the city) being genuinely oppressed is not at all incompatible with Amon being an obsessive charismatic villain trying to steer public opinion toward his banner and against his enemies. It also sets up a situation where defeating him and working to address the actual inequalities feeding his support are both important and compatible goals.
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My great annoyance with this show is that so far it has explained exactly how non-benders are being oppressed, and what the roots of the Equalist movement is. We don't really know what Korra is fighting for.
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| # ? May 9, 2012 08:30 |
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I'm going to go with "Not allowing Amon to maim a sizeable portion of the population, including many people dear to her and herself."
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Tollymain posted:I'm going to go with "Not allowing Amon to maim a sizeable portion of the population, including many people dear to her and herself." "You have an advantage over me so that makes it okay to maim you and make us equal" - A thing people in this thread have said. Read fucked around with this message at May 9, 2012 around 08:53 |
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Deep Winter posted:Waterbending is nortoriusly considered a passive, defensive style. It's the only bending that can heal. Bloodbending is more offensive, scary power. Waterbending isn't purely defensive though. It's better characterized by its incredible versatility: the ability to use it as a solid, liquid, or gas. It can transition very easily between offensive and defensive functions. Earthbending on the other hand is stable and strong, and is known for its endurance. While it can offer both offensive and defensive functions, it doesn't have the raw ability to transition smoothly between the two as waterbending does. Fire is pretty much pure offense. Air is pretty much pure defense.
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Read posted:"You have an advantage over me so that makes it okay to maim you and make us equal" - A thing people in this thread have said. And then when it's done, non-benders will have an equal shot in participating in organized crime, low-paying factory jobs, and sports where you can't even afford to pay league fees without finding a wealthy industrialist to sponsor you. It's a clean new start for all the city's social ills!
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Read posted:"You have an advantage over me so that makes it okay to maim you and make us equal" - A thing people in this thread have said. Do not start this dumb rear end argument again.
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SirKibbles posted:Do not start this dumb rear end argument again. My apologies for having a discussion about an issue in the show, in the thread for the show. But yeah, you're right. Probably best not to start that up again since it was pretty circular last time. vv: Yeah, I'm pretty surprised that it looks like they're making him the cut and dry villain like Ozai was in TLA. I guess they'll be introducing another villain with more ambiguous motivation/character. Read fucked around with this message at May 9, 2012 around 12:53 |
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I'm rather disappointed by that preview and Amon as a character. While some of Amon's gripes about the treatment of non-benders are justified, he clearly is an evil character. I really wanted Amon's role to be much more ambiguous. Additionally, I can't help but feel like Tarloc is a pro-bender equivalent to Amon, and Korra's role will ultimately be to find a happy middle ground. I love the show but I was really hoping for more moral ambiguity and less polarity.
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MustelaFuro posted:I'm rather disappointed by that preview and Amon as a character. While some of Amon's gripes about the treatment of non-benders are justified, he clearly is an evil character. I really wanted Amon's role to be much more ambiguous. While I understand what you're saying, I think having these clearly morally bankrupt people taking up otherwise good causes is a really healthy, interesting thing to explore. I don't see a lot of stories about not-inherently-evil movements being corrupted by people with less than kosher motivations, even though it's all around us throughout current events and history.
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randombattle posted:I can't wait to hear everyone go "NO AMON ISN'T A BAD GUY HE'S JUST THREATING THE CITY WITH HORRIBLE THINGS!" Amon's a villain. That's not what has ever been the subject of argument. He does however, have an understandable platform with a legitimate basis. Non-benders are at real, serious disadvantage compared to the Bending Master Race of super humans. But ya know. The Avatar. Restoring balance. Kind of the point of the job.
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Also remember that the show still has to allow kids to watch it. It's not going to end up some postmodern shades-of-grey thing where there's no clear villainy and no side of righteousness. The hero has weaknesses and ignorances and the villain has some good points and starts out holding a few cards morally but that's as far as it's going to go in this type of story.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Non-benders are at real, serious disadvantage compared to the Bending Master Race of super humans. So are people who are dumb to people who are smart, people who are weak to people who are strong, people who are poor to people who are rich. Striving for equality between people who are not equal is retarded, and the opposite of justice, because the problem here is not inequality but exploitation. Yes, inequality makes exploitation possible, but so does the existence of air and sunlight, and setting the atmosphere on fire would be a suboptimal solution to deal with the fact that exploitation exists. What Amon does is unjust, because he exploits people's fears to make them work for him under the guise of 'striving for equality', but he wants nothing of the sort. He wants power, and is pissed that he's not a bender (or maybe that he's not the Avatar if he is a bender), so he's set up this system to make it easier for him to get power. Taking bending powers away is not going to stop exploitation, because there are many more ways in which people can exploit other people other than by main force. Look at how Torlak manipulated Korra, the exorbitant entrance fees for probending competitions, the landlord of Bolin and Mako, etc. reflir fucked around with this message at May 9, 2012 around 14:16 |
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reflir posted:So are people who are dumb to people who are smart, people who are weak to people who are strong, people who are poor to people who are rich. Striving for equality between people who are not equal is retarded, and the opposite of justice, because the problem here is not inequality but exploitation. Yes, inequality makes exploitation possible, but so does the existence of air and sunlight, and setting the atmosphere on fire would be a suboptimal solution to deal with the fact that exploitation exists.  What? Well in response your first paragraph: Yes inequality makes exploitation possible which is why you need to fix either the inequality (for instance some sort of non bender Affirmative Action type program)or get rid of the exploitation (Amon's batshit answer to this is to get rid of bending) Your second paragraph makes a ton of assumptions about a character with little to no proof, well maybe meta- type arguments, but nothing solid within what we have been shown in the story.
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You must have missed this in my post, so I'll repeat myself: getting rid of inequality does not get rid of exploitation. Further, Amon taking people's bending powers away is an example of taking (one) inequality away, not of getting rid of exploitation. In fact, it creates further possibilities for exploitation for Amon, because it allows him to control the actions of others (both of his followers and of benders). My speculations about Amon's motivations are not relevant to this argument, and so whether they turn out to be true or not doesn't really matter. It's his actions that make him evil (and deluded, or hypocritical) here, even if his motivations were pure (but they probably aren't). reflir fucked around with this message at May 9, 2012 around 14:39 |
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