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Airbending's final form is the marble trick obviously.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 22:42 |
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Ryaomon posted:Airbending's final form is the marble trick obviously. Actually if you combine the marble trick with fartbending, you get the ultimate airbending move.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 22:44 |
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Vacuumbending. Instead of pushing air, it pulls the air.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 22:54 |
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I remember my friends and I had a talk about this and we brought it down to soundbending being the "other form" but we couldn't think of anything outside of amplifying sound or to eliminate sound, both of which work perfectly for the evasive nature of Airbenders. If you need to sneak up on someone then you can take away the sound of you moving towards them, and if you need to make a quick escape then you can redirect the sound and confuse your enemies. I really want to see the last Airbenders do more next season, Tenzin was pretty much just being a politician for most of the series, which works since with their pacifist nature Airbenders are the perfect diplomats, but the times he actually bended were few and far between, hell his kids had more moments than him
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 23:00 |
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No1throwdown posted:Korra should learn blood or metal bending just to add it to the Avatar repertoire forever. Does the Avatar state even have lightning? I kind of liked the idea that the Avatar's nature makes it unable to learn the "ultimate" forms. Kind of like how Yangchen told Aang that he could never achieve transcendence because the Avatar belongs to the world, not any one nation or philosophy.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 23:16 |
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Metropolis posted:I didn't think of it but the person who said it should have been Tenzin instead of Iroh taking down those planes was right. Plus I wanted to hear more of JK Simmons in rage mode. "Who is Amon? He's a criminal, that's who he is! A vigilante! A public menace!"
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 23:31 |
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Wahad posted:Bryke have confirmed that Zuko is, in fact, alive. That's what I said  Tae posted:Have the creators hinted on what the evolution of Air bending is? Earth=Metalbending, Fire=Lightning, Water=Bloodbending, so maybe Korra finally learns the 2nd stage? Nope, and unfortunately it's also been discussed to death in this thread.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 23:48 |
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RIP Loo-Ten Ant, you died as you lived. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emduJhnvNjI Being a terrible fighter.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 23:58 |
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Bocom posted:Vacuumbending. Despite their similar tastes in forehead decoration, Aang is not Red Tornado.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 00:43 |
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Jesto posted:RIP Loo-Ten Ant, you died as you lived. Mustashe guy got beaten up a few more times that they missed. I will not be satisfied until all his beatings are in one you tube.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 00:50 |
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blurry! posted:Deflecting any negative criticism of a work of fiction or art as "spergy" derails legitimate discussion. When you can't critically discuss things, that's when quality slips because you're more accepting of critical errors or laziness in the media you consume. For instance, if there's obvious holes in the pacing, characters acting against their motivations, contrivances for the sake of plot expedience, and vast leaps of logic, and they're just accepted, you're saying "Hey, that's ok. Give me more of that". It's the same thing when people use the phrase "Turn off your brain" while referring to a movie. There's a reason why CD calls that out as dumb all the time.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 01:20 |
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Sound bending is the ultimate air bender technique, as discovered by Meelo once he gets into heavy metal in ~9 years. SCREAM BENDING 
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 01:36 |
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Democratic Pirate posted:Sound bending is the ultimate air bender technique, as discovered by Meelo once he gets into heavy metal in ~9 years. This will actually be discovered by the guy who played Toph in the Ember Island Players, who retired from showbiz and became an air acolyte and also Korra gave him Airbending.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 01:52 |
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Two Tone Shoes posted:The problem is it's been brought up ATLEAST 70 or so times in this and the past Avatar thread. It's a topic that has been so thoroughly buried into the ground that the badgermoles will never find it. Why does nobody bring up weather bending? Is the idea of using tornadoes and typhoons and other storm type things not cool as hell? I don't get why people would think alternate forms of airbending should all be boring things like "sound bending" and "light bending" when the obvious answer is to throw a tornado around with your mind.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 01:55 |
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Metropolis posted:This will actually be discovered by the guy who played Toph in the Ember Island Players, who retired from showbiz and became an air acolyte and also Korra gave him Airbending. Who do you think taught it to Meelo?
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 01:56 |
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Metropolis posted:This will actually be discovered by the guy who played Toph in the Ember Island Players, who retired from showbiz and became an air acolyte and also Korra gave him Airbending. The stage lost a mighty presence that day.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 02:11 |
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SatansBestBuddy posted:Why does nobody bring up weather bending? Is the idea of using tornadoes and typhoons and other storm type things not cool as hell? I don't get why people would think alternate forms of airbending should all be boring things like "sound bending" and "light bending" when the obvious answer is to throw a tornado around with your mind. Weather requires other things than air, though. Specifically, it requires moisture (water) and heat (fire). The best an airbender could do is push some clouds around with air currents. I can see a full-fleged Avatar in the Avatar State making hurricanes and tornadoes, though. That'd be pretty badass to see.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 02:14 |
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 02:16 |
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Jesto posted:RIP Loo-Ten Ant, you died as you lived. I was just rewatching the series today and thought there should be a compilation of Lieutenant's losses. I can only assume Amon was being sarcastic when he said "you served me well". Unless his job was to distract people by being a punching bag.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 02:38 |
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I didn't even know they could do that, or it was at least frowned upon. I thought you had to let a certain number of episodes be written by freelancers and stuff like that, which I think a lot of people feel ruins the 'purity' of a show or whatever but it's great for the industry to allow freelancers to get some work. Usually in the hopes of become staff writers. And the creators/head writers can pretty much overrule/rewrite everything while still giving the original writer credit.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 02:40 |
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DrSunshine posted:Weather requires other things than air, though. Specifically, it requires moisture (water) and heat (fire). The best an airbender could do is push some clouds around with air currents. I'd like to see mixed benders (i.e., half earth, half water). Maybe not good at either of the primary bending, but good with mixtures, like mud for my example.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 02:53 |
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ETB posted:I'd like to see mixed benders (i.e., half earth, half water). Maybe not good at either of the primary bending, but good with mixtures, like mud for my example. In the fan-comic I linked earlier, Zhao, suffering from amnesia, lives with the Water Tribe for a while and learns some of their customs, including various waterbending stances. But his chi is blocked by some of his past experiences, and he can't bend. Later, when he gets his firebending back, he redirects a fire blast the way a waterbender might.  I think that variant bending styles would be interesting to see, especially in an age where the nations have started to trade and cooperate more. A hundred years of war would have seen a lot of cultural interaction, and plenty of chances for some cross-cultural pollination of ideas and techniques. For example, if Iroh could've been inspired to redirect lightning by studying waterbenders, what's to say that waterbenders couldn't have been inspired to create a fast, aggressive steam-blasting technique by observing firebenders? Earthbenders that bend sand or mud might be more similar to waterbenders, or dustbenders might be similar to airbenders. DrSunshine fucked around with this message at Jul 2, 2012 around 03:10 |
| # ? Jul 2, 2012 03:06 |
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:Weather bending by altering air pressure. SatansBestBuddy posted:Why does nobody bring up weather bending?  DrSunshine posted:Weather requires other things than air, though. Specifically, it requires moisture (water) and heat (fire). The best an airbender could do is push some clouds around with air currents. The moisture and the heat are already there, manipulating pressure (which also manipulates temperature  ) just move them around in relation to one another. I'm not saying any air bender could just summon rain out of nowhere, but they can manipulate what's already there.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 03:07 |
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:
That'd require that they have rather precise and pinpoint knowledge of the various weather variables currently in their surroundings, which seems a bit unlikely. Maybe in sixty-odd years when they have satellites and sounding balloons and Doppler radar, airbending weathermen really will make it rain or shine when it's needed. 
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 03:12 |
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DrSunshine posted:That'd require that they have rather precise and pinpoint knowledge of the various weather variables currently in their surroundings, which seems a bit unlikely. Or maybe next season they'll introduce a deaf airbender that "hears" through feeling air currents!
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 03:23 |
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Airbending doesn't need a power boost. It's loving invisible. If the show actually emphasized this strength, which is to say it's nigh inability to be dodged or otherwise avoided compared to the other elements, we would see people shut up about the evolution of airbending.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 03:26 |
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Captain Oblivious posted:Airbending doesn't need a power boost. It's loving invisible. If the show actually emphasized this strength, which is to say it's nigh inability to be dodged or otherwise avoided compared to the other elements, we would see people shut up about the evolution of airbending. They clearly missed an opportunity for a scene where Korra lies about being able to Airbend and the Equalists don't realize she can't because they just frantically dodge every time she makes airbending motions.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 03:31 |
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This whole power levels thing is missing the point. Sandbending and metalbending are variants of earth bending, not higher or ultimate forms. Same with bloodbending, lavabending, plantbending, explosionbending, and so on. It's not more powerful, it's just either a tightly focused niche or a unique application. Just calm your ladycakes everybody, even if there are variants of airbending they don't need to be loving 'ultimate'.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 03:47 |
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Metropolis posted:They clearly missed an opportunity for a scene where Korra lies about being able to Airbend and the Equalists don't realize she can't because they just frantically dodge every time she makes airbending motions. "Stay back! Or I'll suffocate you all! With airbending!"
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 03:56 |
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Jesto posted:RIP Loo-Ten Ant, you died as you lived.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 04:09 |
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Captain Oblivious posted:Airbending doesn't need a power boost. It's loving invisible. If the show actually emphasized this strength, which is to say it's nigh inability to be dodged or otherwise avoided compared to the other elements, we would see people shut up about the evolution of airbending. Personally I like being able to see most airbending, and think making it all invisible would be stupid. It would be people making hand motions and welp guess the other person airbended? Or maybe they tripped? Airbending doesn't need to be shown when it helps people with their movement/falling gracefully/etc. Otherwise I think it's important that it's shown. I'm totally with you on people shutting up about the "evolution" of airbending though.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 04:11 |
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Airbending can basically create a hurricane (as shown when Kyoshi is airbending is that field with the trees) game, set, match.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 05:17 |
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The ultimate form of airbending is making people explode. Why? Just cause. If they ever make a super saiyan airbending from like people are so dying for it's gonna be something that's violent and doesn't fit airbending at all so no one ever uses it.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 05:23 |
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Well, I think the real reason the "ultimate" poo poo is getting kicked off into even higher gear than usual is the entirety of the first season of Korra revolved around an ultimate form of waterbending. Originally, bloodbending was truly a variant form, given that it had legitimate advantages and disadvantages (control over your targets body/limited time frame & difficulty to learn, respectively). They kinda throw that out the window with psychic bloodbending. There's nothing stronger than pyschic bloodbending. It has no weaknesses besides a gradual psychosis that overtakes you after years of usage, and maybe a particularly strong-willed person will get in a lucky shot. It's a jarring change of tone over what we previously knew about bending. In fact, I remember reading in the TLA creative bible that prowess, creativity and skill in bending decided battles, not trump-card techniques. That's what made the combat so interesting and so unlike anime. The fact that there was no single technique or move that dominated meant the creators had to think through every bending encounter. Which bending forms are competing? What's the terrain like? Is it close-quarters or open? What does each combatant want? How skilled are each of the combatants? What are the mitigating circumstances, such as the relative endurance or exhaustion, preparedness, and equipment of each party involved? Each battle in TLA was itself a world-building exercise. Seeing elemental skill of novice, journeyman and master levels pitted against each other and themselves allowed us to see complex character inter-relationships. This was a vital part of the show. Nobody had an ultimate move or technique that dominated or, like in anime, does dominate until yet another skill is introduced and makes the previous "ultimate" move obsolete and the show becomes an exercise in power creep. Even the variant forms of bending still played into the general theme of their parent elements (power/control for lightning, adaptability/flexibility for metal, and versatility/resource management for blood). What happened in Korra, is while an evolution of these variant forms is expected with 70 years of progress, the general rules the creators themselves set down to ensure balance (which served the ultimate purpose of providing interesting, creative and entertaining encounters) are kinda ditched. It's not such an issue with lightning or metal, but blood ditches any semblances of limitation. If that's not ultimate, then I'm not sure what is. There's almost no defense besides the Avatar State or a lucky shot, no way to get around it with creativity or skill. So I guess now that the Ultimate Form of psychic bloodbending is out of the bag, expect the "ultimate form of airbending" discussions to never cease til we see lungbending or some poo poo. Thanks Bryan and Mike.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 08:24 |
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blurry! posted:
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 09:36 |
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Daric posted:Airbending can basically create a hurricane (as shown when Kyoshi is airbending is that field with the trees) game, set, match. That was Yangchen. Everyone always forgets Yangchen.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 09:55 |
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Captain Oblivious posted:Airbending doesn't need a power boost. It's loving invisible. If the show actually emphasized this strength, which is to say it's nigh inability to be dodged or otherwise avoided compared to the other elements, we would see people shut up about the evolution of airbending. They basically have emphasized that strength. There's a reason only Tenzin and Airbending Korra were able to hit Amon when he was actively aware they were attacking him. And also why a bunch of trained equalists who were able to wreck a bunch of White Lotus Soldiers and Lin were taken out by kids. When your entire method of fighting is dodging, Airbending kicks your rear end. Two Tone Shoes fucked around with this message at Jul 2, 2012 around 11:22 |
| # ? Jul 2, 2012 11:19 |
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blurry! posted:So I guess now that the Ultimate Form of psychic bloodbending is out of the bag, expect the "ultimate form of airbending" discussions to never cease til we see lungbending or some poo poo. Thanks Bryan and Mike. Normally your arguments seem okay but this one is really stupid. It's like saying "So I guess now that the Ultimate Form of lightning is out of the bag..." or "Now that the Ultimate Form of metalbending is out of the bag." Both of those are treated as straight evolutions to the point where special counters had to be developed to Lightning and Metalbending had absolutely no downsides compared to Earthbending and could be used in conjunction with it. You've gone from having reasonable complaints to blaming the creators for stupid fans and that's about the point that you become as bad as the Katara/Zuko people. You're using "varient" to justify that this exact same thing happened before when the only difference is... there's no real difference. Toph defeated one of the major limitations of Earthbending without trouble or downside. Azula and Ozai had what amounted the Avada Kedavra which otherwise could only be countered by a single obscure technique known by a master firebender training with waterbending techniques. The original bloodbending was the odd man out as far as that goes by having some significant downside. I mean, gently caress, these stupid conversations about "ultimate forms" were going on before Korra even started, let along before psychic bloodbending was introduced. The fandom would continue to go on about this poo poo even if Amon got his powers from being able to see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch. People really should rewatch Avatar: The Last Airbender and realize that a lot of the poo poo they blame on Korra existed there too. (See the earlier conversation about how Korra's air punches totally are breaking the rules of Airbending, no totally, ignore the time Aang did the exact same thing.) ImpAtom fucked around with this message at Jul 2, 2012 around 11:32 |
| # ? Jul 2, 2012 11:20 |
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Psychic bloodbended was loving retarded. It's stupid in an action show to write in powers that are that all or nothing.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 11:42 |
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ImpAtom posted:See the earlier conversation about how Korra's air punches totally are breaking the rules of Airbending, no totally, ignore the time Aang did the exact same thing. The problem with the air punch is that it suggests that Korra didn't need to learn all the air forms etc etc, all she really needed to do was get mad and punch the air. Having her use a traditional airbending form would show that yes, she's actually learned something during the course of the season. After that, by all means, have her punch the crap out of air to demonstrate that she's mastered the element and is adapting it to her style. But no, turns out all your problems really can be solved by punching.
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