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Belmont Geoffrion posted:I don't know if it was posted in the last thread, but Sifu Kisu (the main martial arts consultant for both ATLA and Korra) linked to this really cool article on his tumblr. He goes pretty in depth about his involvement in the show and his own history with martial arts. It's a really cool read for anyone interested in the kung-fu aspect of the show. Wow, that interview is just awesome. It definitely deserves to be linked in the OP.
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I wasn't aware that Piando was based on him before now, but it makes a lot of sense. I love how enthuasiastic he is about both shows. He seems to be really treading the line about just what he can and can't mention and frustrated that he can't say more by the end of it.
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| # ? Apr 11, 2012 07:35 |
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There was a picture in the PYF Cosplay thread, likely over a year ago so I'll be damned if I'm looking for it, of Sifu Kisu showing a little girl dressed as Toph some stances. It was so utterly adorable 
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Captain Oblivious posted:What about what you described isn't mind control. In many forms of fantasy mind control entails exactly this. But bloodbending doesn't target the brain, it directly manipulates the body. The bloodbender must fight the reactions of the victim's muscles, which is why they move so awkwardly.
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But it's not unreasonable to see it as the ultimate violation. Crush a person, burn a person, drown them. They're still themselves when you do it. Bloodbending overpowers you and makes you do things on someone else's terms. Hama throwing Aang at Sokka's sword is a great example of how it can be worse than a basic bending attack. It put Katara in a no win situation and she wasn't even the target. Hama gave her the choice of using a skill she absolutely didn't want or watching her brother impale the boy she was in love with. It was a monstrous thing for Katara to face and I would actually be more surprised if she wasn't making sure that such a technique was dying with her.
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Avatar discovers shipping!
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There's always something that I wondered about bending styles. The moves resemble the katas that I learned as a child in my local McDojo - more a performance art than a useful combat move. I suppose it's appropriate for the context, since benders do not make contact when they fight, but was the animators' martial arts consultant teaching them real moves or just pretty performance art?
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| # ? Apr 11, 2012 10:33 |
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Baron Bifford posted:Avatar discovers shipping!
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Baron Bifford posted:There's always something that I wondered about bending styles. The moves resemble the katas that I learned as a child in my local McDojo - more a performance art than a useful combat move. I suppose it's appropriate for the context, since benders do not make contact when they fight, but was the animators' martial arts consultant teaching them real moves or just pretty performance art? The guy is called Sifu Kisu and they consulted him and used his movements as a reference specifically because he is an expert in many fields of martial art and has said it is all very real things from the 4 respective martial arts they use.
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Belmont Geoffrion posted:I don't know if it was posted in the last thread, but Sifu Kisu (the main martial arts consultant for both ATLA and Korra) linked to this really cool article on his tumblr. He goes pretty in depth about his involvement in the show and his own history with martial arts. It's a really cool read for anyone interested in the kung-fu aspect of the show. Dude kind of looks like President Obama.
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Simstim posted:Dude kind of looks like President Obama. You... you don't think... oh my god 
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Captain Oblivious posted:What about what you described isn't mind control. In many forms of fantasy mind control entails exactly this. It's body control. Their mind is one thing you don't control.
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Aphrodite posted:It's body control. Their mind is one thing you don't control. I repeat, mind control entails exactly this in many forms of fantasy. It's semantics. Mind control as per popular conception is functionally identical. Assuming control of everything the mind normally controls save for thoughts is, for all intents and purposes, mind control.
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Captain Oblivious posted:I repeat, mind control entails exactly this in many forms of fantasy. It's semantics. Mind control as per popular conception is functionally identical. Bloodbending is puppeteering, which is distinct even in bad fantasy (Like the show Heroes.)
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Aphrodite posted:Bloodbending is puppeteering, which is distinct even in bad fantasy (Like the show Heroes.) And you've yet to show me a meaningful difference. If it accomplishes the same thing save for one invisible, intangible difference... All of this is irrelevant to the original point as well, which is to say that it's a legal nightmare 
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Razorwired posted:But it's not unreasonable to see it as the ultimate violation. Crush a person, burn a person, drown them. They're still themselves when you do it. Bloodbending overpowers you and makes you do things on someone else's terms. Hama throwing Aang at Sokka's sword is a great example of how it can be worse than a basic bending attack. It put Katara in a no win situation and she wasn't even the target. Hama gave her the choice of using a skill she absolutely didn't want or watching her brother impale the boy she was in love with. It was a monstrous thing for Katara to face and I would actually be more surprised if she wasn't making sure that such a technique was dying with her. I think we've all had our opinions colored by the way bloodbending was introduced to us. It was introduced in a horror episode, with a creepy witch using it to capture innocent townsfolk. It has burned into our minds the idea that bloodbending is evil and thus we tend to frame our thoughts that way.
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Captain Oblivious posted:And you've yet to show me a meaningful difference. If it accomplishes the same thing save for one invisible, intangible difference... In one, you're physically forcing the body to move because you control a fluid that's inside it. In another you've hacked into the mind and you're making them generate thoughts that aren't their own. It's different.
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Captain Oblivious posted:And you've yet to show me a meaningful difference. If it accomplishes the same thing save for one invisible, intangible difference... The difference is you look like a creepy loving puppet while you're being forced to murder people.
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I think korra getting her butt handed to her is going to be a theme of this book, and it will be illustrated in her over reliance on fire. Fire is the most directly powerful element. Korra opens up the series with a display of firebending combat. When something gets the best of her (notably Airbending), she blasts fire at it. She has yet to show any real creative bending. Her answer to everything is to literally bludgeon it, and fire is easy to use for that. the chi blockers would have a harder time with some creative uses of earthbending (like wed see from toph or bumi), but korra keeps trying to punch them with some fire. Its quick, hot and simple, just like korra. She's going to have to learn smart bending, not just strong bending.
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Captain Oblivious posted:And you've yet to show me a meaningful difference. If it accomplishes the same thing save for one invisible, intangible difference... The most obvious difference has actually been pointed out before: with mind control the victim doesn't think anything is strange about their own actions and can't in any way alert others to them. Body control, or blood bending doesn't affect the mind or apparently the mouth, so Sokka was able to warn the gAang about what he was about to be made to do.
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I figured Korra has an earth personality, given how she likes to take problems head on. Both Zuko and Toph had aggressive, take-no-poo poo personalities.
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blurry! posted:I think korra getting her butt handed to her is going to be a theme of this book, and it will be illustrated in her over reliance on fire... She's going to have to learn smart bending, not just strong bending. I adored how they handled this in the second episode, having her get knocked out of the ring when she was relying on her offensive skills was a great moment. It's awesome having Book One be air: since Aang was raised an air bender we didn't get to see the challenges of learning that element in the first series. Could not be more excited! The brand new (and more condensed) setting, much higher quality animation for backgrounds/crowds, more nuanced goal in a world basically at peace.. yet all of the humor and colorful characters from the original series are still there.
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tsob posted:The most obvious difference has actually been pointed out before: with mind control the victim doesn't think anything is strange about their own actions and can't in any way alert others to them. Body control, or blood bending doesn't affect the mind or apparently the mouth, so Sokka was able to warn the gAang about what he was about to be made to do. The issue is that it's a bit of an assumption to say the fact that she didn take control of Sokka's mouth means she can't. Nevermind the fact that mind control can and does produce unnatural, stilted results all the time in fantasy. Again, it depends on the setting but mind control means a lot of things. Body Control and Mind Control are only different in an academic sense.
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PaganGoatPants posted:Seems like an "poo poo just got real" button. At least that's how Roku used it before he died. I'm really wondering if Korra can even do it unwillingly. Yeah, INSTINCTIVELY entering the Avatar state in times of danger was a defense mechanism (I.e the other Avatars basically going "Oh, poo poo, dudes about to die), but entering it naturally and on your own seems more like jacking up their power (Kiyoshi does it a couple of times).
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Captain Oblivious posted:The issue is that it's a bit of an assumption to say the fact that she didn take control of Sokka's mouth means she can't. The difference is that between you moving your arm of your own (supposedly) free will and someone tying ropes around all of your extremities so that they can jerk you around like a puppet. Bloodbending is moving water around inside a meat sack just like metalbending is moving the tiny bits of "earth" left in refined metals. It isn't mind control.
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Captain Oblivious posted:The issue is that it's a bit of an assumption to say the fact that she didn take control of Sokka's mouth means she can't. Oh, true. Nevermind so. I can definitely see how they'd be treated the same from a legal perspective, unless there was some way of detecting bent blood or something silly like that.
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An interesting bit of characterization and world building: Tenzin and Korra are not dissimiliar. Beyond both having shorter tempers, Tenzin is often at odds with the historical nature of Airbending monastic culture, which is understandable since he doesn't have an entire society of monks to seek counsel with. He is a staunch reconstructionist, trying perserve an essentially dead culture, which ties him down inorganically. It goes without saying this is contradictory to the very nature of airbending, even if his noble intent is to preserve the airbending culture. Tenzin is going to be learning throughout the series just as much as Korra. He's going to learn about airbending as well. Both in the first and second episodes he attempts to control Korras behavior (and fate), funneling her into a path of his choosing. Both times have resulted with trouble and property damage. When he tries to make Korra stay put, she follows anyway, busting up a city street and getting arrested. Ironically he tells Korra that airbending is something she can't force, yet he himself tries to force it upon her in a rigid fashion. Only when he relinquishes control, and merely steers Korra on her path like wind does to a leaf does he find success. In TLA, Zuko had a just as, if not more, interesting (and definitely more complex) character arc than Aang. Zuko made obvious mistakes that cost him and those around him dearly, and Tenzin may follow the same pattern.
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I just want to see Tenzin and Lin bust some heads sooner or later.
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blurry! posted:An interesting bit of characterization and world building: Tenzin and Korra are not dissimiliar. Beyond both having shorter tempers, Tenzin is often at odds with the historical nature of Airbending monastic culture, which is understandable since he doesn't have an entire society of monks to seek counsel with. He is a staunch reconstructionist, trying perserve an essentially dead culture, which ties him down inorganically. It goes without saying this is contradictory to the very nature of airbending, even if his noble intent is to preserve the airbending culture. As the only child of Aang born an airbender, I think its very likely that he feels a pretty huge burden has been placed on him. He feels it is his responsibility to preserve the culture his father passed down to him, and honestly, it's a pretty grave responsibility. Aang may have been more like Tenzin had he not spent most of his childhood immersed in the culture. His teacher, Monk Giatsu, was able to impart valuable lessons simply by letting Aang be a free spirit, which he took to heart. Tenzin has been born into a much different world, one that has almost completely forgotten the air benders outside of the most famous one: Aang.
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blurry! posted:In TLA, Zuko had a just as, if not more, interesting (and definitely more complex) character arc than Aang. Zuko made obvious mistakes that cost him and those around him dearly, and Tenzin may follow the same pattern. Zuko is probably my favorite character in the original show because he fucks up so much, especially his choice at the end of season two. I've seen a lot of people be bitter about that one, but it seems perfectly human and natural to me that he'd take the thing he's been chasing so long instead of the nebulous, better path. If Tenzin is written half as well as him I'll be delighted, especially considering his age and status as a father in a kid's cartoon.
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Katara said Sokka was "gone". Is he dead... or on a time wasting antic filled adventure through the Spirit World with Iroh?
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Captain Oblivious posted:The issue is that it's a bit of an assumption to say the fact that she didn take control of Sokka's mouth means she can't. We are going to have to assume things based more closely to available information, things like only the avatar CAN spirit bend until shown clearly otherwise. You love assuming btw
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GigaPeon posted:Katara said Sokka was "gone". Is he dead... I totally want dead Sokka to show up as a ghost who's just been having a blast in the spirit world dicking around with famous other warriors and all. Not even as a plotline, just have Korra be in the spirit world or something and he just rolls by having zany antics. Also I agree in hoping Tenzin gets some growth too, I'd love to see him overcome the idea that as Aang's only Airbender kid he needs to be some immobile guardian of the culture rather than allowing things to merge. I also hope he gets a few cool Iroh style 'I'm not just some dumb old man' rear end kick moments.
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I want Sokka to still be alive and living it up as a mad scientist on his own private island.
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Korra is supposedly the first person to ever tame a polarbeardog. It kinda shows that he's wild at heart, given how much trouble Korra has controlling him in Republic City's streets.
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Two Tone Shoes posted:I never really thought bloodbending was particularly different from waterbending enough to be compared to Lightning bending which is just making another thing all together. Turning water into magic body replacing healing crap seems to completely turn the idea of waterbending on its head, whereas bloodbending is just waterbending something only partly water, like plant bending. I suppose it's rarer, but not actually a different thing. Call it lightbending. Maybe you could manipulate the air so loving well that you're able to bend light around you and become invisible or blind the gently caress out of people Lotish posted:Or it just can't be done by a mediocre bender at all because some kind of eye contact or a very deep experience with the substance is necessary--presumably people aren't keeping jugs of blood around to practice with. You can crack open a vine or squeeze some seaweed to get familiar with the water in that thing, and the swamp benders developed a whole culture around the practice, which you're not going to be doing with living blood too much. It probably requires a lot of control if you don't want to just kill them outright. I bet it's a lot easier if you just want to stop their heart or cause a bunch of internal damage. That's part of what makes it an even scarier power than the others; you can't really defend against it unless you're a water bender or unless you can get to the blood bender early and incapacitate them. I hope that Korra doesn't learn blood bending, but I also hope that we see at least one blood bender
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I always wondered, if waterbenders can bend blood, how come earthbenders haven't developed bonebending? All that calcium seems pretty earthy to me.
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Because that's bringing up real elements, which starts to muddle the classical element theme. Bloods made of water. It also has iron in it, but you can't metal bend it. Magical thinking, people.
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GigaPeon posted:Katara said Sokka was "gone". Is he dead... After his trip into the Spirit World Sokka's soul became the Warrior's version of the Avatar Soul. Every generation he boomerangs back to the world in a new vessel. The new incarnation instinctively seeks out the Space Sword and goes off to do hero poo poo. I refuse to believe anything else.
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^^^ and bangin'. Lots of bangin'blurry! posted:Because that's bringing up real elements, which starts to muddle the classical element theme. Bloods made of water. It also has iron in it, but you can't metal bend it. You could still go by the ancient interpretation that humans were made from clay. This is a theme shared by the ancient Greeks, Islam, and probably others. Earthbending translating to humanbending could be plausible, so maybe or maybe not?
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