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yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Gone to outer space
to shoot that dickbag in his face


Arbitrary Coin posted:

Awakening chat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVWi7GmNx84 Masked Dude unmasked!

Great to see Lucina putting Aether to good use


The cut scenes are a nice addition to this series. Talking portraits over a background always struck to me as lazy and unimaginative especially in the more modern games.

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Artix
Apr 26, 2010

Roy's To-Do List
  • Conquer the entire continent.
  • Stop a dragon uprising.
  • Marry Lilina, declare self King of Lycia.
  • Be declared a Nintendo All-Star before game is even released


Arbitrary Coin posted:

I tend to always use the lower tier weapon (fire, iron weapons, etc) due to their availability, higher use count, lower price and lower weight since usually two hits with a weaker weapon outdamages one hit by a stronger one, and allow for better dodging though I will have a steel weapon or higher tome occasionally spread out if people really need the extra damage to one round an enemy.

This, I disagree with. If you've got the Con for it, there's no reason to not use the best/heaviest weapon you can. For example, in FE6 Dieck has 13 Con, which is enough to use basically any sword short of a Steel Blade. You could give him an Iron Sword and do 5 damage twice, or you could give him a Silver Sword and do 12 damage twice, because he's not getting a speed penalty on either of them. Of course, this is dependent on having the money to replenish weapons more often, but money's not really an issue unless you're playing Hector's Story, and even then only in the beginning.

Artix fucked around with this message at Apr 20, 2012 around 17:53

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!


Ok, gotta find my gamecube controller/memory card to play some Path of Radiance this weekend but in the meantime, remind me how a mechanic works. I always operated under the assumption in Radiant Dawn that levelling with BEXP was bad because the stat growth was less. What I'd do is use enough to take a character to 90 exp and then level them next map with their first action. Is it actually that way? And does Path of Radiance work that way?

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

Partying. Partying never changes.

Levantine posted:

Ok, gotta find my gamecube controller/memory card to play some Path of Radiance this weekend but in the meantime, remind me how a mechanic works. I always operated under the assumption in Radiant Dawn that levelling with BEXP was bad because the stat growth was less. What I'd do is use enough to take a character to 90 exp and then level them next map with their first action. Is it actually that way? And does Path of Radiance work that way?

BEXP would always give 3 stats in RD. This could be abused horribly by letting characters hit their caps in stats they excel in, and then use BEXP to build up their stats with poor growths. Nephenee was one of the best candidates for this, because she'd cap Skill and Speed really early in her second tier class, letting you boost her Strength and Defense much higher than they would normally be. You could easily cap all of a character's stats like this (I don't think I've had a playthrough where Jill hasn't capped everything for a long time.)

That said, this is all irrelevant in PoR, where bonus experience is no different from normal experience.

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!


Cake Attack posted:

BEXP would always give 3 stats in RD. This could be abused horribly by letting characters hit their caps in stats they excel in, and then use BEXP to build up their stats with poor growhts. Nephenee was one of the best candidates for this, because she'd cap Skill and Speed really early in her second tier class, letting you boost her Strength and Defense much higher than they would normally be.

That said, this is all irrelevant in PoR, where bonus experience is no different from normal experience.

Ok great, I thought about it and that's how I remembered it too. Path is going to be interesting. Does PoR have battle saves or is that new for RD?

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

Partying. Partying never changes.

Levantine posted:

Ok great, I thought about it and that's how I remembered it too. Path is going to be interesting. Does PoR have battle saves or is that new for RD?

New for RD.

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!


Cake Attack posted:

New for RD.

Bummer but not a big deal. I'll just have to revert to old FE playstyle.

EDIT: Radiant Dawn really did spoil me in a lot of ways. It's a really solid but playable game.

Lotish
Dec 10, 2008

I pick up my Devil Axe...
...and DEVIL!


Oh neat. Awakening allows even Krom the Lord to reclass! He can be a cavalier or an archer.

Also saving mid battle was something you could do with FE4, though I think it's done a little differently in RD. Haven't played that one.

Lotish fucked around with this message at Apr 20, 2012 around 19:31

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Gone to outer space
to shoot that dickbag in his face


With all this new stuff like high stat caps, reclassing, Spotpass characters, the difficulty is going to be ramped up to insane levels really quick isn't it?

Wind God Sety
Sep 2, 2011

"I think you really should be in the ocean..."

So that's what I been doing wrong!


Lotish posted:

Oh neat. Awakening allows even Krom the Lord to reclass! He can be a cavalier or an archer.

Also saving mid battle was something you could do with FE4, though I think it's done a little differently in RD. Haven't played that one.

You can only save at the start of your turn in FE4, while in FE10 you can save whenever you want during your turn, as many times as you want.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Diet Evil, only one Calorie

yellowcar posted:

With all this new stuff like high stat caps, reclassing, Spotpass characters, the difficulty is going to be ramped up to insane levels really quick isn't it?
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if it's the easiest FE that we've received in awhile.

Arbitrary Coin
Feb 17, 2012


Rascyc posted:

Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if it's the easiest FE that we've received in awhile.

Awakening Chat It seems like they might be ramping up your opponents too. Skills are level based and pretty drat handy at times. Apparently on Lunatic the first chapter has a dude with a hammer that can 1-shot your Jeigan Great Knight.

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

Partying. Partying never changes.

Rascyc posted:

Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if it's the easiest FE that we've received in awhile.

Maybe in the normal mode, but there seem to be enough difficulty modes to keep everyone happy. Lunatic is pretty brutal from what I've heard.

Also, some support pairs are up on Serenesforest, and holy poo poo there are a lot of options. Fredrick (our Jeigan), to take a random example, has 14 different support partners. The site also says you can have unlimited A supports, but it seems they only come into play when using the Double or Duel system.

Cake Attack fucked around with this message at Apr 21, 2012 around 03:03

Level Slide
Jan 4, 2011

It'll work out somehow.

I hope the English voice acting in Awakening is hilariously horrible

ungulateman
Apr 18, 2012
Hello I am a person doing a thing via buttons. It's amazing what electronic singnals traveling through space can accomplish.

Makes ya think.

Purple m&ms are the best.

Level Slide posted:

I hope the English voice acting in Awakening is hilariously horrible

Now I'm having Luminous Arc flashbacks, ugh.

But yeah, bring on the terrible VAs NoE! We can take 'em!

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

Partying. Partying never changes.

So they seem to have confirmed Roy and Leaf as having DLC chapters in Awakening on today's Nintendo Direct (I think that's what that was.)

I'd lament that we're getting Leaf and not Ike/Hector, because non-FE4 Leaf sucks, but I figure they're just going in ascending order.

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Gone to outer space
to shoot that dickbag in his face


So how do these Spotpass characters work as DLC? Do you just wander by a wifi hotspot and download the data or what?

Lotish
Dec 10, 2008

I pick up my Devil Axe...
...and DEVIL!


In all likelihood it's just going to be another thing that only works in Japan.

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

MORT


You're thinking of Streetpass. Spotpass just means distributing things over the internet.

Lotish
Dec 10, 2008

I pick up my Devil Axe...
...and DEVIL!


I got the impression that it had to be a hotspot enabled for that sort of thing.

If I have to get a EU 3ds to play this, will it be compatible with US Spotpass?

Grozz Nuy
Feb 21, 2008



Level Slide posted:

I hope the English voice acting in Awakening is hilariously horrible

If Kid Icarus: Uprising is any indication, when NoA localizes a game with a significant amount of VA they do it pretty well. But maybe Awakening will be like Xenoblade where because it comes out in Europe first, they just bring over the UK version rather than rerecord all the dialogue. I could see it going either way.

Troffen
Aug 17, 2010



The new DLC characters (jesus christ, Roy)

I looked up the name, the guy who designed new Roy was the character designer for Drakengard. I thought it looked familiar.

Level Slide
Jan 4, 2011

It'll work out somehow.

He doesn't have that Caim flair though.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

兄のハウスを調べろ


Holding out for a Nier DLC character.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

EB: jade, what if they get married or something???
EB: oh god, if rose became my sister too, that would wreak HAVOC on karkat's shipping diagram!


Level Slide posted:

He doesn't have that Caim flair though.

That's probably for the best. Nothing good happens in Caim's presence.

ungulateman
Apr 18, 2012
Hello I am a person doing a thing via buttons. It's amazing what electronic singnals traveling through space can accomplish.

Makes ya think.

Purple m&ms are the best.

Cake Attack posted:

So they seem to have confirmed Roy and Leaf as having DLC chapters in Awakening on today's Nintendo Direct (I think that's what that was.)

I'd lament that we're getting Leaf and not Ike/Hector, because non-FE4 Leaf sucks, but I figure they're just going in ascending order.

For some reason I am going very over how NoE is going to localize Leaf's name.

I hope they change it to Leif, personally. It means 'heir' in some language I've forgotten and lets me make Deltora Quest jokes.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Diet Evil, only one Calorie

Wonder why the difference in cost? Could they actually be gauging the amount of content in each scenario or is it just a popularity thing?

Lotish
Dec 10, 2008

I pick up my Devil Axe...
...and DEVIL!


ungulateman posted:

For some reason I am going very over how NoE is going to localize Leaf's name.

I hope they change it to Leif, personally. It means 'heir' in some language I've forgotten and lets me make Deltora Quest jokes.

Leif is a pretty norse name, I think. Like Leif Ericson. The game already has Sigurd, so...

What is Deltora Quest?

Also I really hope that's some variant of Master Knight Leaf instead of his completely awful Thracia 776 incarnation. They're calling him "Sage King Leaf" so here's hoping.

Lotish fucked around with this message at Apr 21, 2012 around 21:14

Artix
Apr 26, 2010

Roy's To-Do List
  • Conquer the entire continent.
  • Stop a dragon uprising.
  • Marry Lilina, declare self King of Lycia.
  • Be declared a Nintendo All-Star before game is even released


The new Roy looks terrible. At least new Leaf looks like someone who can actually fight (ie FE4 Leaf).

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...


Hopefully Leaf keeps his Master Knight promotion.

Pfefferbao
Jun 1, 2011


Captain Oblivious posted:

That's probably for the best. Nothing good happens in Caim's presence.

What are you talking about? It's not as if bad things happen when Cavia's involved.

Archenteron
Nov 3, 2006



Pfefferbao posted:

What are you talking about? It's not as if bad things happen when Cavia's involved.

The game's Lover system is already 3/4ths of the way to Cavia Approved Plot Mechanics, and Fire Emblem lends itself decently well, at times, to Single Character Challenges, so Caim showing up to obliterate everything seems about right.

Caim as a FE character would be odd though. He'd be proficient in all physical weapons, but can also temporarily turn into a Wyvern-mounted magic user.

Artix
Apr 26, 2010

Roy's To-Do List
  • Conquer the entire continent.
  • Stop a dragon uprising.
  • Marry Lilina, declare self King of Lycia.
  • Be declared a Nintendo All-Star before game is even released


Archenteron posted:

Caim as a FE character would be odd though. He'd be proficient in all physical weapons, but can also temporarily turn into a Wyvern-mounted magic user.

You have no idea how badly I want to this to happen now. Caim/Nier crossover DLC, make it happen Nintendo.

Momomo
Dec 25, 2009



Archenteron posted:

Caim as a FE character would be odd though. He'd be proficient in all physical weapons, but can also temporarily turn into a Wyvern-mounted magic user.

Yeah, but he'd be in constant Berserk status and would just murder all your other units.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

Asian Scum. The latest and greatest.


I'm torn about Roy. On one hand, I'd love it if he was an actually good character this time. On the other, it would be hilariously accurate to FE6 if they gave him poo poo stat growths, made his level cap 20, and gave him a 20 use exclusive weapon once you reach like the final chapter of Awakening. Also he'd have to be able to marry every single woman in the army.

I do like his redesign, though.

BlitzBlast fucked around with this message at Apr 22, 2012 around 01:06

Level Slide
Jan 4, 2011

It'll work out somehow.

I hope this Roy makes it into the fourth Smash- a ha ha ha no loving way that's happening. Krom's going to replace Ike. I can feel it.

Arbitrary Coin
Feb 17, 2012


Interesting note: Leaf's custom sword gives the Mug ability, which has a luck based chance of granting a gold nugget when an enemy is killed.

I love how it references Thracia's game mechanic of encouragingrequiring beating people up and taking their stuff

Talking about Thracia, is it bad that I kinda wish that some form of fatigue was implemented in later games? I think it could have worked well in Sacred Stones and with Awakening's large cast, it seems like a way of encouraging more diversity.

As much as FE5 hated you, there were some really nice things in there.

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Gone to outer space
to shoot that dickbag in his face


So how big is the list of characters compared to the other games?

TurnipFritter
Apr 21, 2010

HUGE
DICKS
SLAPPING
MY
TENDER MOUTH


yellowcar posted:

So how big is the list of characters compared to the other games?

I glanced over a Japanese wiki, and it looks like there's about __ 40 ___ characters, not including the cameo/spotpass characters. This list may or may not be complete.

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Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...


I've heard that the game allows absolutely massive army sizes. Like, 20 characters or so on a single stage.

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