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Muffinpox posted:You are in for a world of hurt. Why so?
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| # ? Apr 19, 2012 13:58 |
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https://www.facebook.com/newgermanperformance http://www.ngpracing.com/store/ edit: Wyoming?
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| # ? Apr 19, 2012 14:02 |
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CommieGIR posted:Why so? UrQuattros touched him and I HATE PINK BIKES as children. A lot.
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Mad Dragon posted:
I am in Wyoming, but I will drop a line to these guys. There is a VW/Audi/TDI specialty shop in Denver, but I don't think they are going to be much help for this project.
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CommieGIR posted:Why so? The US never really got what you need in one car so you'll be cobbling three cars together unless you get a wrecked UrQuattro donor. The quattro drivetrain youll need is from an 80/4000 although I'm not sure about the gear ratios and diffs but the subframes should work. If you want to be historically correct you'll need a 10v or 20v turbo motor which were never sold in 80/4000/90 chassis in the US so you'll need one from a 5000/S4. Its doable but its going to be annoying. If you want to turbo the motor currently in the car, god speed. Also use audifans.org's marketplace to find stuff and motorgeek.com to do some project research. Muffinpox fucked around with this message at Apr 19, 2012 around 15:54 |
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Muffinpox posted:The US never really got what you need in one car so you'll be cobbling three cars together unless you get a wrecked UrQuattro donor. The quattro drivetrain youll need is from an 80/4000 although I'm not sure about the gear ratios and diffs but the subframes should work. If you want to be historically correct you'll need a 10v or 20v turbo motor which were never sold in 80/4000/90 chassis in the US so you'll need one from a 5000/S4. Its doable but its going to be annoying. If you want to turbo the motor currently in the car, god speed. Yeah, I knew it will be a challenge. I may try to lower the compression on the current engine and turbocharge it, it has larger valves than the normal 10 valve Audi engine. I WISH I could find a good turbocharged I5 already, but they are rare like you said unless I find a 5000/S4 or a Turbo 200.
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034 has a turbo kit for the 7A that comes with a compression-dropping head gasket, but you don't have a 7A (20v). You could probably get something fabricated. For what it's worth this thread has inspired me to start looking at Audi 5-cylinders again. I will blame the lot of you if I end up having to pull those massive power seats out of a 5000 TQ to prepare it for competition. e: Reading over the 7A turbo kit it looks like intercooler mounting can be a bit of a sticky wicket. They offer an (egregiously priced) intercooler kit that works with a replica RS2 bumper but I'm not sure what you can do with the stock parts. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at Apr 19, 2012 around 16:11 |
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Apologies for the  nature of the forum, but:http://www.corsasport.co.uk/board/v...d=402281&page=1  
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, I knew it will be a challenge. Your head isn't cross flow and you already have a bunch of poo poo where the turbo would sit. Just go on audifans marketplace, you can get old 10vts for cheap and you can run them to ~300hp before you need to start screwing with engine management or having CIS-e issues. Also theres probably a 10/20vt 80/4000 conversion on there right now, they pop up all the time. Muffinpox fucked around with this message at Apr 19, 2012 around 16:22 |
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InitialDave posted:Apologies for the No. While I'd love to do a Sport, I don't have all the tools I'd need to modify and strengthen the frame after cutting it up. Considering my love for Quattros though, this will NOT be the last one. And as for the engine, I'll take your advice and look around. Hopefully I can find a good 10v Turbo close by...or maybe even a 20v Turbo....
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CommieGIR posted:Hopefully I can find a good 10v Turbo close by...or maybe even a 20v Turbo.... The Audi motors from that era were mythologically stout. A certain shop in Florida made a ton of money "modifying" the 10v turbo cars with a simple resistor mod marketed as something much more. Regardless, the 10v turbo cars have a lot of headroom for extra boost and are plenty fun. For your purposes, the 20v won't add that much extra for the additional cost. That said, I do prefer the '90/91 coupes, easy to swap a 10v turbo in and enjoy, since they already have the quattro drivetrain. If my old '90 coupe had more power, I'd still have it. I loved that car, it was just gutless. The real problems will come with all the typical Audi things from those cars -- window switches, regulators, lighting circuits, etc.
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There has to be some swappable parts with a VW Fox in there as well.
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meatpimp posted:The Audi motors from that era were mythologically stout. A certain shop in Florida made a ton of money "modifying" the 10v turbo cars with a simple resistor mod marketed as something much more. Regardless, the 10v turbo cars have a lot of headroom for extra boost and are plenty fun. For your purposes, the 20v won't add that much extra for the additional cost. Yeah, it has the Window issues you'd expect. The problem is the 10v in this car is a High Compression model, instead of the 8:1 compression of the others it has 10:1 compression.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, it has the Window issues you'd expect. Oh, I wasn't clear... don't think of turbocharging the existing motor, that's a road that's made many cry before. Just drop a factory 10v turbo motor in there.
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meatpimp posted:Oh, I wasn't clear... don't think of turbocharging the existing motor, that's a road that's made many cry before. Just drop a factory 10v turbo motor in there. Yeah, this will be the second stage. First stage will be the Quattro conversion and testing on frame strength with the added weight. Engine will be after we finalize that
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Well, not local to you but maybe you can arrange shipping if the price is right? 91 20V quattro turbo wagon parts car, western Mass (level of completeness unknown): http://westernmass.craigslist.org/pts/2877914784.html Disclaimer: I know SFA about Audis  e: nvm, on further inspection it looks like the engine has been ripped out already 
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Black88GTA posted:Well, not local to you but maybe you can arrange shipping if the price is right? I live in Springfield and I would be weary of buying cheap cars off Craigslist from here, even parts cars.
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Super Aggro Crag posted:I live in Springfield and I would be weary of buying cheap cars off Craigslist from here, even parts cars. I have found a guy in Denver who has a couple Turbo blocks for sale, I don't know if any are complete, but I figured it was worth looking into.
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Awesome project! This was my dream car when I was younger. It's like a Scirocco, but all grown up! I'm going to say that yeah Megasquirt is what you want to go with ideally, but CIS and CIS-E are not bad systems. I have CIS-E on my 16v Scirocco and on my turbocharged 8v Scirocco I run CIS-lambda. It just takes some knowledge and tuning, but I've been running boosted CIS for a long time. If you just want to get it running well for now, fix all vacuum leaks. This is the single most important thing you can do to get it in good running shape. After that you'll want to clean the air flow metering plate, clean the fuel distributor plunger, clean the idle stabilizer, and clean the injectors. Heres some good reading: http://www.humanspeakers.com/audi/tuning-cise.htm Anyway I turboed the stock counterflow 1.8 and it's the same motor that you have minus one cylinder. The turbo is a tight fit with the exhaust and intake on the same side but not a huge deal. The motor is strong. If you turbo it, the weak link is the piston ring lands. So make sure you don't get detonation because they crack first. I've blown up 4 sets of pistons by not knowing what I was doing. If you're gonna run high boost, get aftermarket pistons with thicker/stronger ring lands, which you will probably have to do anyway to lower the CR. good luck, looks like an awesome project!
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Man, you know things are bad when Cornholio is encouraging you on your insane late 80s turbo Audi project.
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It's always a good sign when the previous project car is rusting away in the weeds next to the new one.
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aventari posted:Awesome project! Thanks for the wonderful info! I actually played with the CIS-E today, by inducing air draw into it and measuring fuel output, and I might try the turbocharging with CIS-E before I go Megasquirt. I haven't gotten a response from the guy about the turbo engine he has, and I kind of would like to have the 2.3l Turbocharged. Research will continue on the engine front, but the Quattro comes first. quote:It's always a good sign when the previous project car is rusting away in the weeds next to the new one. The TDI? Its my daily driver right now. The Mercedes Benz? I modified the engine and the extra power output exploded the transmission. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at Apr 21, 2012 around 03:39 |
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CommieGIR posted:
4BT swap the Benz?
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CommieGIR posted:Thanks for the wonderful info! np, I have some really good books on CIS, the best being this Bentley book on continuous injection http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-Fuel-In...t/dp/B000GKONP2 It covers theory and application of our old school CIS systems and regular EFI. I'm in a simlilar boat are you, I built a Megasquirt v1.1 system but never installled it due to California smog laws. It would never pass, so I keep the CIS turbo.. That turbo motor you're looking at sound like the best thing to do though. I assume forged pistons and a low CR right?
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Yeah, the turbo motor also has oil squirters for the pistons. I found another High Compression 2.3 I may pick up and play with to look at turbocharging my own motor. The Mercedes I turned the injection pump up and put a larger turbocharger on it, I was putting out a good 198 HP before the transmission ate it.
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Ordered the EFI parts from DIYAutotune. Getting MegaSquirt v2.0
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CommieGIR posted:Ordered the EFI parts from DIYAutotune. Getting MegaSquirt v2.0 I am excited about this. I have yet to see a very detailed MegaSquirt build and am curious to see a goon do it with some (read: any) level of detail.
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Phone posted:Man, you know things are bad when Cornholio is encouraging you on your insane late 80s turbo Audi project. bahahahaha by the way, my local junkyard no longer has that 80 quattro. They must have just gotten rid of it, too. I hope somebody got the drivetrain before it was crushed. 
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CornHolio posted:bahahahaha drat waste if they didn't. Oh well, I need to go pick n' pull browsing again.
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You should buy my '89 200 QTA. Then you would get a turbo 10v, 5-speed trans, and all the AWD parts you need. You could sell the nice interior and scrap the shell. You would have to drive the car back from Detroit though. Actually after reading your thread I am not sure want to sell my Quattro anymore.
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Laura-4-Lyfe posted:You should buy my '89 200 QTA. Then you would get a turbo 10v, 5-speed trans, and all the AWD parts you need. You could sell the nice interior and scrap the shell. You would have to drive the car back from Detroit though. Almost worth doing just that for the power train. How much you selling it for? CommieGIR fucked around with this message at Apr 27, 2012 around 22:35 |
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CommieGIR posted:Almost worth doing just that for the power train. The 200 used a different chassis so the drive train wont be a direct swap. The motor setup is pretty similar from what I remember though.
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http://cosprings.craigslist.org/cto/2950970816.html Is that your car Laura? Also found this guy in Pueblo, CO: http://pueblo.craigslist.org/cto/2982873214.html
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CommieGIR posted:How much you selling it for? I was going to put it up for $1500 but I would let it go to someone in AI for $1000. CommieGIR posted:Is that your car Laura? Nope, my 200 is a wagon and located a couple miles north of Detroit, MI.
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Laura-4-Lyfe posted:I was going to put it up for $1500 but I would let it go to someone in AI for $1000. Sadly that is too much of a trip for me...
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I have had a guy from the Audi Market offer me a transmission, rear diff, and drive shaft for $625 before shipping. I'm probably going to go for it.
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Wouldn't you need all of the rear suspension still? Also, if you have any questions about building or tuning with Megasquirt, I've done a lot with them.
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DJ Commie posted:Wouldn't you need all of the rear suspension still? Also, if you have any questions about building or tuning with Megasquirt, I've done a lot with them. I do have lots of question DJ Commie. And yes, I'll have to acquire the rear sub frame , but that will be cheaper and easier to source separately. And for $625 for the lot, I couldn't ask for better.
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CommieGIR posted:Sadly that is too much of a trip for me... No worries. Here is an inspirational picture instead. 
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