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I hope Temporal Mastery hasn't bottomed-out yet, I need to sell this one I got from a fat pack! 
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JerryLee posted:This might go in the other thread but I'm pretty sure Miracle is going to be something that we collectively end up regretting. Well there's two different issues. I don't think anyone thought Temporal Mastery would be a #1 pick in Limited or a force in Block. That doesn't mean it's not a good card and I still think it'll find a home in several Legacy decks.
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| # ? May 11, 2012 20:52 |
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I'm surprised Owen isn't getting bombarded about tweets about how more SCG Blue players are in top 8 than CFB.
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| # ? May 12, 2012 19:04 |
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Wezlar posted:I'm surprised Owen isn't getting bombarded about tweets about how more SCG Blue players are in top 8 than CFB. The results from this tournament have been pretty random. Obviously Vidugiris and Finkel are recognizable names in Top 8 so I'm not trying to make an argument about the format(s) being skill-agnostic or anything but it'll be really interesting to see post-mortems on why people like Chapin, Lee, and much(all?) of CFB punted so hard.
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| # ? May 12, 2012 21:19 |
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JerryLee posted:The results from this tournament have been pretty random. Obviously Vidugiris and Finkel are recognizable names in Top 8 so I'm not trying to make an argument about the format(s) being skill-agnostic or anything but it'll be really interesting to see post-mortems on why people like Chapin, Lee, and much(all?) of CFB punted so hard. Some people on Twitter were complaining that this format is very high variance due to lovely mana, the swinginess of Miracles. Whether it's an accurate assessment or sour grapes, we'll have to see.
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| # ? May 12, 2012 21:34 |
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From the SCG Madison Open Facebook page: CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG
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| # ? May 12, 2012 22:02 |
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It's like Where's Waldo.
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| # ? May 12, 2012 22:09 |
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What do people think about Conjurer's Closet in a Heartless deck? My "shut up and be practical" instinct says no, but blinking Sadbot, Massacre Wurm, Rune-Scarred Demon, Frost Titan, or Phyrexian Metamorph all seems pretty real.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:What do people think about Conjurer's Closet in a Heartless deck? My "shut up and be practical" instinct says no, but blinking Sadbot, Massacre Wurm, Rune-Scarred Demon, Frost Titan, or Phyrexian Metamorph all seems pretty real. If you're spending 5 mana, it should be on a Rune-Scarred Demon. If you have 5 mana and a Rune-Scarred Demon, win already with that goddamn Rune-Scarred Demon and whatever the hell you searched (which should be another beater).
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| # ? May 12, 2012 23:27 |
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:If you're spending 5 mana, it should be on a Rune-Scarred Demon. If you have 5 mana and a Rune-Scarred Demon, win already with that goddamn Rune-Scarred Demon and whatever the hell you searched (which should be another beater). That's what I was thinking in general, but I know there've been times where the game swings in my direction late enough that it's not just winmore. I guess I just gotta figure out how often it digs me out of that vs. how often it's not important.
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| # ? May 12, 2012 23:52 |
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Nehru the Damaja posted:What do people think about Conjurer's Closet in a Heartless deck? My "shut up and be practical" instinct says no, but blinking Sadbot, Massacre Wurm, Rune-Scarred Demon, Frost Titan, or Phyrexian Metamorph all seems pretty real. Shut up and be practical.
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| # ? May 13, 2012 04:41 |
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hahahahaha which one of you is this? (in a thread about Finkel asking the head judge not to give his opponent a game loss for not deboarding)
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| # ? May 13, 2012 18:05 |
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Great. We were sorting cards at the shop I go to and the subject of Triumph of Ferocity came up and people who I thought would know better all think that the whole thing was blown way out of proportion and over analyzed and that it's only an image of surprise sex if you try to see it that way. Wonderful, now I don't feel comfortable playing cards anymore with people.
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Thought this thread might like to have this pointed outPV, on Triumph of Ferocity posted:Plus, the picture is awesome! http://www.channelfireball.com/arti...ng-with-avacyn/
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Star Man posted:Wonderful, now I don't feel comfortable playing cards anymore with people. I'm by no means a sociologist or debate master, but I have had this discussion, a lot, mainly with positive results. If you want to talk to your friends about this, I've found it's easiest to just start by breaking down their arguments, rather than making your own. Arguing symbolism, how painting works, and gender politics are important, but that's easier to do once you've dismantled their existing framework. Just ask a lot of questions, because chances are they just haven't thought about it that much. Ignorance is very curable! In my experience, their argument boils down to a solipsistic chain of logic followed by a lovely assertion: - I don't see anything wrong with it. I can't fathom how others could see anything wrong with it. Given this, there must be nothing wrong with it. - Since there's nothing wrong with it, you don't deserve to feel offended. That initial fallacy is just argument from ignorance, so it should be easy enough to overturn. If they insist there's literally no way anyone else could have a differing opinion of the matter, you're probably not going to get anywhere. The second part is harder to argue with some people. I've had some success by pointing out the person is essentially arguing, "you aren't allowed to feel feelings." If they actually believe that's true, I usually just advise they find a therapist, because it seems like that's a lovely assumption to live by! Maybe point to the whole debacle with Cross Assault and see how they feel about that. I think their reaction is likely just a "Censorship!" kneejerk, which is awesome, because it's easy to explain the situation to people like that. Chances are you can win those people over with the "freedom of speech vs. consequence free speech" distinction, especially if they're arguing for people to just shut up about it. From there on out just call them on slippery slope fallacies and hope for the best. v  vEdit: JerryLee posted:Thought this thread might like to have this pointed out This actually makes me hopeful, because it's such a purposeless, baseline joke: I can see it actually helping people realize that ironic misogyny isn't actually funny. rinski fucked around with this message at May 14, 2012 around 04:36 |
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I was thinking about it some more, and I think what the problem is is that they think people are calling it a surprise sex scene even though it's not and are assuming that people should know what the bigger picture is and that it's only there if you put it there. I also think that the illustration for Triumph of Ferocity is only a more inflammatory symptom of a larger problem with genre work in general. I don't think there's any one person or group that can be blamed or given criticism over, but I have a feeling that the portrayal of women in modern fantasy and science fiction artwork goes back to Frank Frazetta. My educational background is rooted in English literature and visual art, and something that I have a very difficult time doing is discussing art with non-artists. A lot of people who aren't deeply familiar with those fields are very shy about discussing media more than if something was good or not. I have to try to tell them that people can be more critical of works of art and should be no matter what their background is. From there, I then try to explain that things like reader response is a very important facet of the way works of art are understood. But what really got me upset was when it got to a level of calling your wife a stinkyhole and saying things like "well if women want equality, then here it is," which is dog poo poo that I have no tolerance for in the least. I don't know how you both take the name calling because it's something that can be taken very personally. All I know is that I'm up to my eyes in weekly therapy sessions and anti-depressants already and attacks like that would make me disappear without a trace.
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rinski posted:This actually makes me hopeful, because it's such a purposeless, baseline joke: I can see it actually helping people realize that ironic misogyny isn't actually funny. I sort of figured that it might actually be tongue-in-cheek coming from PV based on the report that he had a productive conversation with Jackie about it, but I don't know, even if it's satirical it still seemed like a bad thing to play straight at this particular juncture. But my opinion isn't the one that matters I guess. e: Also that might not actually have been what you were saying, I guess. So yeah, if the takeaway is that PV isn't a good comedian, that will help too. 
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| # ? May 14, 2012 05:12 |
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rinski posted:I'm by no means a sociologist or debate master, but I have had this discussion, a lot, mainly with positive results. If you want to talk to your friends about this, I've found it's easiest to just start by breaking down their arguments, rather than making your own. Arguing symbolism, how painting works, and gender politics are important, but that's easier to do once you've dismantled their existing framework. Just ask a lot of questions, because chances are they just haven't thought about it that much. Ignorance is very curable! I had a similar discussion with a friend. I think he's probably not a great example since he's a really thoughtful dude and not a grognard but when you steer the conversation away from "It looks like surprise sex or domestic violence" and toward "some peoples' life experiences are going to make them see this and it's not wrong to feel something" people seem to get it. scribe jones posted:hahahahaha which one of you is this? (in a thread about Finkel asking the head judge not to give his opponent a game loss for not deboarding) Me.
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For those who care, Catherine Boatman's documentary on women in Magic went up. She filmed it during PT Honolulu. I remember her interviewing a ton of people, but only like four interviews made it to the cut she published. Apparently she cut DeTora's and Oliver's interviews.  Regarding the video, it's... not great. It's short, but still seems kinda unfocused. You got some "we're indie filmmakers!" noodling for the first part, then some interviews, then it ends with a Tha' Gatherin' fan video. I suppose it's ok, but I really wish she would've included her interviews with the other women who were competing. I know Jackie is putting up better numbers lately, but I don't think that's a particularly good reason for ignoring everyone else. rinski fucked around with this message at May 14, 2012 around 21:11 |
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Yeah I watched it a bit ago. LSV made a lot of good points, I really don't get why Pro Tour Wife was interviewed, and then of course there is THA GATHERIN Rinski made it into the credits which was weird because I didn't see any streaming TSP footage...
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| # ? May 14, 2012 21:17 |
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She had me in the booth to interview and slated me, but then they started calling the draft and I didn't end up actually doing it.
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I wish they had shown you with the caption "Pro Tour Husband" brb pitching band name
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I husband competitively, sure, but I'd say I'm semi-pro, honestly.
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Bear in mind, I'm typing this as I watch the video: That video sure was a video. The shots leading into the event would've worked better with some movement. They just look like still images with a poorly recorded voice speaking over them. Rich specifically mentions Melissa DeTora. Shouldn't you at least include part of her interview? Or maybe some video of her playing? This video could have used a better editor. Maybe your girl gamer video could include some footage of girls gaming? This was a wasted opportunity. A quality film about "Women in Magic" could really help some people grasp what this whole issue is about. This is not that film. Ugh, that song at the end. Terrible nerd rap is the worst. I need to listen to some MegaRan to get this out of my system.
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Am I the only one that caught the juxtaposition between the GAMER GIRL title card and a girl in a bikini swimming through the frame?
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| # ? May 14, 2012 23:41 |
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Lone Goat posted:Am I the only one that caught the juxtaposition between the GAMER GIRL title card and a girl in a bikini swimming through the frame? Yeah, that's the woman who made this. She's also a gamer but we never hear anything about her, just watch her test her water-proof point-and-shoot. I pretty much agree with everything brownhat mentioned. I know she got interviews with Melissa and Carrie, so it seems weird she cut those. I'm not sure if it was in lieu of the crazy GP results Jackie put up sense or what, but between the title and just Jackie being featured, it makes it seem like she's the titular gamer girl... But that's not the case, and of it were, the narrative is really meandering. I dunno, I think parts were well-made, but this video doesn't really add anything to the narrative and actually makes it seem like there's fewer women playing at a high level than there actually are.
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rinski posted:Yeah, that's the woman who made this. She's also a gamer but we never hear anything about her, just watch her test her water-proof point-and-shoot. I meant that if I didn't have any knowledge of it going in and all I saw GAMER GIRL and a half naked woman float by at the beginning I'd have assumed it was a softcore porn or something.
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As corny as it is, I think just some end cards with text would have wrapped up the movie a bit better than "abrupt end of Zac Hill interview to THA GATHERIN". Like a recap of Jackie and other's success and that statistic that it's been like 15 years or whatever since a woman made a Top 8 of a GP.
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rinski posted:
This. I've judged on six SCG Open weekends, and it's obvious women are really starting to get into Magic now. Especially on a competitive level. I'm certain there were more than three women playing at that PT. How do you end up with only a few seconds of footage with any women in it? Also, would it have killed her to get the opinions of a female judge? Or maybe a woman working for WotC?
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| # ? May 15, 2012 00:47 |
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Zac Hill seems to have really weird ideas about gender essentialism.
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| # ? May 15, 2012 06:31 |
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The thing I found most interesting about the video is that the guy who streams under the username DzyL or something like that was in the video, at the part where the two dudes are laughing about a rules misunderstanding or something. That gives you an idea of how little I thought that video was interesting.
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| # ? May 15, 2012 06:49 |
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Crosspost from the main thread- Anyone going to GP Minneapolis this weekend? I'm not playing in the main event but I'll be there hanging out, side drafts, EDH, cube etc. If anyone's interested I'd be happy to show people around town a bit. PM me if a goon meetup sounds interesting.
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Yesterday was my first ever match against a girl at competitive level magic (PTQ). We were both in the 0-1 bracket. She was wearing a cat ears headband, with leopard print shorts and a different-hued, different-feline print shirt. I asked, to be sure, "Are those cat ears or mouse ears?" She takes a second, then replies "Cat ears..." I write "cat ears" into my spiral notebook, then say, "This will make an interesting detail in the tournament report for my wife." She makes a big frowny face. I wondered whether I should compliment her d20 necklace, but decide against it. We proceed to have a solid match ( me GR aggro vs her Naya midrange) and I barely win game 3.
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| # ? May 20, 2012 13:52 |
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You should have asked her if she was playing a cat deck.
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| # ? May 20, 2012 15:01 |
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Jackie was brought up in the SCG stream chat just a bit ago. And surprisingly the awful people were "shouted" down and also modded appropriately.
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| # ? May 21, 2012 01:35 |
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Really happy for Calcano. Six-man drafted with him a ton back when I taught high school and he was in high school, and he demolished me an awful lot.
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| # ? May 21, 2012 01:37 |
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Ben McDole is a pretty cool dude.
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Bugsy posted:Jackie was brought up in the SCG stream chat just a bit ago. And surprisingly the awful people were "shouted" down and also modded appropriately. That is good news, I don't think I would have noticed that since I normally just stay on the scglive.com page (because of the badness of the chat). I've been looking for her columns to start appearing at TCGPlayer, was their an expected start date for that?
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