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Nehru the Damaja posted:Reddit's being Reddit again about Triumph of Ferocity. People seriously defend this poo poo like they have a personal stake in it. They do. Anyone with unexamined privilege has a personal stake in maintaining that state.
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Imagine if Liliana got actually raped in the middle of the fight. O/U 1 day before some nerd says she was asking for it based on how she dresses.
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| # ¿ Apr 25, 2012 19:59 |
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FordCQC posted:It pairs with the card Triumph of Cruelty. Didn't you use both of those arts in your article? I'm pretty sure that Garruk's entire characterization is about being able to physically dominate the world around him. e: Not that that makes this art okay, I'm just saying if I expected any planeswalker to by killing an opponent barehanded it would be him.
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| # ¿ Apr 25, 2012 20:29 |
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Flavor Text posted:The Reddit thread about Jesse's article was just absolutely infuriating. The part that drove me the most up the wall is not the people who didn't understand, but the people who said that anyone who did see offense was "choosing to be offended". And demanding that people stop discussing the topic. This is unbelievably common throughout all of society when these sorts of issues are discussed (but shockingly not so common when something offends the privileged majority). Nerds are, as a rule, even worse about minority issues than society at large. Don't be too surprised. e: To expand: privileged people don't have to consider the ramifications of images like this. That is very nearly the definition of privilege. So, first, they lack empathy with the people being oppressed. Second, the discussion makes them uncomfortable, by way of peeling back the edges of their ignorance. The blame for this discomfort can either fall on the image, which would force them to directly confront their privilege and complicity in oppression, or on the people who brought it to their attention. Generally, people choose the latter. Mornacale fucked around with this message at Apr 25, 2012 around 20:39 |
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Karnegal posted:Why does he have to be pinning her to show power period? You can go anyway you want with it. Let's have him hefting her in the air to break her over his knee, ala Bane v. Batman in Knightfall. She can be shooting magics out of her hands at the time in a Return of the Jedi callback. It would be the biggest confluence of nerddom ever. You know if he did this his hand would be on her upper thigh or something.
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| # ¿ Apr 25, 2012 21:07 |
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Hell, they've even done art of them battling before without it going all creep factor on us. Why not more like this? It's a pretty sad commentary on the game that this is supposed to be the unsexualized version. e: 
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Kalli posted:More that even in a magical punch action pose, like comic books, they just have to get her tits and rear end on panel. It's not equivalent, but looking at that makes me want to point out how ridiculous Garruk's pose is too. Maybe he's not giving her a hug so much as trying to catch himself from falling.
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| # ¿ Apr 25, 2012 21:40 |
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Besides that, it's pretty much irrelevant what 12-year-olds like. The whole point is that adult artists should be able to do better than appeal to only them.
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| # ¿ Apr 25, 2012 22:51 |
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rinski posted:I... don't understand why this art thing absolutely blew up on Twitter today. The entirety of this debate seems like one side is trying to point out the sketchy elements of the art, while the other side histrionically disagrees with fallacies. I'm pretty sure this is accurate, but I feel like I'm creating a strawman. Regardless, why is this such a contentious issue. People pointed out a thing. It's a thing that's there. It's fairly observable. I don't understand. I guess you don't read grognards.txt. Basically this exact same thing just happened over people suggesting that D&D art should include people of various genders and ethnicities without objectifying or stereotyping them. Including nerds unironically claiming that D&D is for white men, and if minorities want to be represented in an RPG they should make their own. By the way, for the people who can actually stand to seek this poo poo out, go post it in grognards.txt. e: I'm @Mornacale, if we're trading twitters. Mornacale fucked around with this message at Apr 25, 2012 around 23:26 |
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Violently Car posted:Sorry, I meant people who were getting mad about the people who were casually dismissing the complaints about the artwork, not the people who would be offended by the artwork in the first place. I'll be more careful next time. But do you understand that there's not ultimately a disconnect there? People casually dismissing misogyny is also misogyny. In many cases, it's a direct insult. e: Stormageddon, the idea that this issue is in some way separable from misogyny/patriarchy/privilege is absurd. This image is a direct result of patriarchal surprise sex culture; the fact that saying so makes some men uncomfortable shouldn't stop anyone. Mornacale fucked around with this message at Apr 26, 2012 around 01:59 |
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Stormageddon posted:Magic is officially no longer a boy's club. Oh man, that's the funniest thing I've seen w/r/t this whole mess so far.
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| # ¿ Apr 26, 2012 02:04 |
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whydirt posted:Obviously the next step is for OM to leave the Pro Tour and use her newfound fame to charge $500 a piece for Triumph alters where she takes the place of Garruk and instead of Liliana on the rock it's just a living pile of magically animated fedoras. A new kind of alter where she alters your perception of it by holding it in front of your eyes while kicking you in the nuts several times.
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| # ¿ Apr 26, 2012 02:21 |
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Ultima66 posted:This is true. This is also not what the original post said. The original post said that if Magic were not constantly sending the message that women were unwelcome, we could have 50/50 representation. Are you seriously trying to concern troll with this weak poo poo? Why don't you post another wall of text over how calling out sexism is wrong if it isn't completely fair to nerds, or it's unnecessarily mean to sexists? Reminder that you said quote:I have never been as sickened by goons as I am right now You are correct in two aspects, though: 1) we shouldn't delude ourselves that these issues are limited to nerds and hence fail to call out people in other settings, and 2) other forms of discrimination in Magic should be discussed here. So why don't you show us Tree of Redemption and that Pacifism and let's discuss?
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| # ¿ Apr 26, 2012 19:01 |
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So, I was talking in the D&D 5e thread about Magic psychographics the other day, and I was thinking: what does it say about our hobby that Timmy, Johnny, and Spike (and Melvin, though I can't say about Vorthos) are all male?
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| # ¿ May 5, 2012 21:21 |
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Only good team is AWWAJALOOM.
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Mob posted:Conley just lost a third credit card game and is now down $3200 for the week in meals alone. Is there any sort of reason that this is appropriate for this thread?
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