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sursumdeorsum posted:Hancock Yeah, but Transformers has made a million billion dollars to date but it's still a very lovely movie. I don't get the Jamie Foxx hate, honestly. I have faith he can pull it off, although I am a huge Collateral fan. I'm already really excited for this movie, and I pretty much know nothing about it.
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Here's a review of the script, along with the Coens' new script, by Eileen Jones of the Exiled. Jones is often infuriatingly wrong and a slave to the Pauline Kael school of absurd subjectivity, but she's smart and well spoken and this review indicates there will be some controversy over Django Unchained. It sounds like it's in bad taste even compared to other Tarantino movies. http://exiledonline.com/screenwrite...o-vs-the-coens/
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I was way more stoked about Will Smith in the role. The fact the he turned it down due to image issues makes me respect him a lot less, considering he doesn't really need to be worrying about the bankability of his "star" when he is worth $200,000,000. Maybe once Mr.Smith is worth half a billion he will begin to consider stepping on a few toes.
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If this film doesn't go all out like Inglourious Basterds and make Alex Jones and Glenn Beck declare it a sign of the coming race war I will be sorely disappointed. Also if Django is just a Tonto-like sidekick to the white dude. It does seem to be a similar concept as IB. It takes it's name from an older movie and is set in the same era but has very little connection with regard to the plot. FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at Apr 28, 2012 around 17:09 |
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FreudianSlippers posted:It does seem to be a similar concept as IB. It takes it's name from an older movie and is set in the same era but has very little connection with regard to the plot. Well, at the time a lot of Italian Westerns were renamed to something related to Django, the first being the excellent Django Kill!, after the success of the original Django. This film's title is a reference to that.
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I doubt Will Smith was worried about his career when he turned the role down. Smith likes to be THE star of his films and doesent want to share the limelight with anyone else. I read the script and DJANGO is a very underdeveloped charachter. Waltz, Jackson, Russell and Dicaprio get the best scenes and lines. Django only has one great scene with Stephen the house friend of the family. I like Foxx but I wish a younger black actor like Donald Glover, Anthony Mackie, or Michael Ealy had gotten the role instead.
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I don't really see why there's so many people thinking Will Smith would've done a better job than Jamie Foxx probably will. Foxx have, as someone pointed out, really proven himself with films as Collateral, Jarhead, Ray, etc. Will Smith is just a big box office name, nothing else.
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I think the principal thing to remember here is that Tarantino knows how to cast actors and how to direct them. Every time.
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Popcorn posted:I think the principal thing to remember here is that Tarantino knows how to cast actors and how to direct them. Every time. I don't know, Brad Pitt in Inglourious Basterds was pretty loving awful.
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Origami Dali posted:I don't know, Brad Pitt in Inglourious Basterds was pretty loving awful. What are you talking about? "Arrivederci." Perfect delivery on that line.
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Origami Dali posted:I don't know, Brad Pitt in Inglourious Basterds was pretty loving awful. That, and Eli Roth was clearly cast as a friend of the director who happend to be jewish
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The sad thing is that I think this thread is proving Hollywood right in that they are afraid to cast an African American other than Will Smith as the lead of their blockbuster movie because they are afraid of what everyone else will think. Many people don't mind their big screen actors being black, but not TOO black. Not that I think that people are racist or anything, but I most definitely think Jamie Foxx has what it takes to pull off the role.
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Is there a reason why we don't have a Tarantino thread? Seems like a no-brainer. Unless it's one of those things that has been tried before around here and turned into a disaster (a la the Nolan/TDK threads).
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UllaWinblad posted:That, and Eli Roth was clearly cast as a friend of the director who happend to be jewish I remember when the movie was first being rumored I think I read something like they were trying to get Adam Sandler for the part of The Bear Jew. Not that he's an amazing actor or anything but I think it would've been a lot more entertaining than watching non-actor Eli Roth poo poo up what could've been an iconic character.
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Eli's line readings weren't great, but the insanity you see in his eyes more than makes up for that. The Germans are right - the Bear Jew is a golem. One reason I like the movie is that half the Basterds are psychopathic thugs, but they're on the right side.
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UllaWinblad posted:Will Smith is just a big box office name, nothing else. Will Smith is actually a really good actor. I didn't really like Seven Pounds but he worked hard in it, and of all the faults in I Am Legend Smith's acting is definitely not one of them. He does some great work in it. Origami Dali posted:I don't know, Brad Pitt in Inglourious Basterds was pretty loving awful. He was hilarious in it. I really don't get this. Was it the goofy accent? How is it I have to stick up for Will Smith and Brad Pitt?
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I'm very excited for this movie. Haven't read the script or many of the reviews/leaks but I don't think Tarantino has made a bad film yet - I doubt this will be the one to break his winning streak. To comment on the casting decisions I can understand why Will Smith wouldn't want to do it but I have faith in Jamie Foxx - Tarantino gets good performances out of everyone in his films. I think that's because he writes his own stuff so when it comes to casting he knows his film inside and out and can pick actors to suit the material. It does seem like Tarantino's work is progressing in a very interesting and exciting way - his earlier films are genre works with a lot of references taken from his own personal favorites but the political meanings of his films are becoming more and more overt. I watched Inglourious Basterds in the cinema having only read a plot synopsis beforehand and I was amazed at Tarantino's commentary on violence in film. If Django Unchained can pull off anything near that it'll be brilliant - and with the film dealing directly with the effects of slavery it doesn't seem like it's going to be a halfhearted effort.
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I liked the idea of Will Smith because Tarantino has a particular brand of stunt-casting that he's very good at. I can only speculate that he wanted Will Smith because his career was mostly germane stuff and seeing him go on a white killing spree would've been that much more shocking. Think back to how he incorporated Darryl Hannah's career into her role as Elle. Or David Carradine's. Or the film history of Pai Mei. Harvey Keitel in Pulp Fiction At any rate, I can bet green money that he rewrote Django to fit Foxx better. He did it to Bill when he couldn't get Warren Beatty.
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LesterGroans posted:He was hilarious in it. I really don't get this. Was it the goofy accent? Not sure if has anything to do with Origami Dali's reasons, but I know a lot of people got turned off by Pitt's performance in Basterds based on how the marketing had sorta hyped him up to be a serious hero whose comedic elements would be limited to witty one-liners while killing Nazis and maybe some over-the-top badassery. But since he ends up being a much more (darkly) comedic character and not even the protagonist, it's easy to look at his performance and condemn it as "too goofy". It comes down to judging him based on a pretty invalid set of standards, when he actually did an amazing job based on the standards he ought to actually be held to.
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The Duke posted:I remember when the movie was first being rumored I think I read something like they were trying to get Adam Sandler for the part of The Bear Jew. Not that he's an amazing actor or anything but I think it would've been a lot more entertaining than watching non-actor Eli Roth poo poo up what could've been an iconic character. Yeah, he turned it down to make Funny People as I recall. It's a real shame because I think Sandler would have turned some heads with The Bear Jew character. Reading this thread reminds me of how much I hate Eli Roth. Every time he was on screen talking I just wanted to tell him to gently caress off.
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Steve Yun posted:Considering how DU is dealing with race and slavery, I think this is a much more "opinionated" phase in Tarantino's career that we're seeing. His writing is evolving for sure. These last three movies of his (I'm assuming the leaked screenplay I and others read is legit) definitely form an ambiguous revenge trilogy of sorts, but I'm pretty sure Tarantino just wants to 'do his thing' in his favorite influences. It's really hard to describe his work in terms of phases though: Jackie Brown is an overt love song to being middle-aged, then he decides to make slow-burning, wuxia/jidaigeki bloodbath?
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What's with the hate for Eli Roth? I've only seen Cabin Fever, but I didn't think he was bad in Basterds at all.
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I haven't actually seen either of the Hostel movies, but it's not hard to see how making them would engender an entire career's worth of ill will.
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I starting hoping he would do a movie about slavery as soon as the credits on IB rolled. I was never really sold on Tarantino until that movie. His other movies are fun, but I thought his style would end up stagnating eventually. Now though it seems like he's finally maturing as a film maker. It was a great film really that has only gotten better the more I have thought about it. Not only does it have a layer of commentary about violence in cinema, it also looks at the legacy of the Holocaust in very honest way which I think many other movies wouldn't be brave enough to do. On top of that there's this whole element of true and authenticity in the movie. It's like some of the Nazi characters are stand-ins for the audience in the way the relentlessly question the heroes of the film and pick apart all the little holes in the story. It's not a war movie where even the Germans speak English, it's a movie where the whole scheme nearly falls apart because of a misplaced German accent. The illusion of cinema is completely taken apart, the illusion that we use to assert our own historical and cultural narratives. It's a pretty intelligent movie. I think some people will really hate Django just because it's a movie about race and that tends to be sort of lose-lose situation. But I think it will turn out pretty well, and tackle the way American's in the 21st century try to make sense of slavery. http://exiledonline.com/screenwrite...o-vs-the-coens/ This review was really terrible. It's good that the author combined the two different commentaries because when you compare them it's obvious she was totally given over to her own prejudices when she wrote them.
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:I haven't actually seen either of the Hostel movies, but it's not hard to see how making them would engender an entire career's worth of ill will. They're smarter than people give them credit for, and not at all 'torture porn' as they're often derided as. They're somewhat nihilistic perhaps, but they're legitimately interesting films. As for Smith. I mentioned in the general chat thread but he has a team of writers who re-write each script he takes to tailor to him. He's savvy enough to know that people don't turn up to see him play a character as such, they want to see Will Smith. It's perhaps a wrong-headed view but that's what he does. He'll never make another film like 'Six degrees of Seperation' but it's not enough of 'him' in it. It's a shame too because he has chops. He's excellent in 'Ali', with both him and Foxx being better than the film they're acting in.
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Detective No. 27 posted:What's with the hate for Eli Roth? I've only seen Cabin Fever, but I didn't think he was bad in Basterds at all. I don't hate the guy, but I can totally see where people would consider him an unlikable rear end in a top hat. He doesn't really "act" in any cameos he's been in, he just sort of reads lines as himself. I'll confess that I actually liked Hostel, but Eli Roth's acting performances basically go over as well as Tarantino's, and in general he just has kind of a smug, douche-y persona. As for Brad Pitt in Basterds, his performance was awful but that's exactly why I think most people loved it.
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UllaWinblad posted:That, and Eli Roth was clearly cast as a friend of the director who happend to be jewish Not to derail but I would have enjoyed the Bear Jew a lot more if he was quite and menacing-I thought it was going to borrow from the golem Jewish folklore more than it did. I wish I could go to the alternate universe where Adam Sandler was Bear Jew though. I wonder if we would have gotten the trademark Sandler progressing from talking into yelling. I think Smith probably turned down the role since it'd probably be one of the most explicit movies he'd be in. Doesn't seem like his type of thing but drat if I wasn't interested in seeing how he'd do it. I like Jamie Foxx so I don't mind anyway. What if it were Denzel Washington? I like Denzel. 
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Tewratomeh posted:As for Brad Pitt in Basterds, his performance was awful but that's exactly why I think most people loved it. I loved his performance because it wasn't awful. I don't really understand what you're saying. I thought he played the role with some really humorous subtlty and lots of crazy confidence. Toriori posted:Not to derail but I would have enjoyed the Bear Jew a lot more if he was quite and menacing-I thought it was going to borrow from the golem Jewish folklore more than it did. It was worth it for the huge, mythic buildup as he's coming out of the tunnel and then Eli Roth emerges and he's just a regular guy who beats the poo poo out of people with a bat. Not a golem. People being regular people and the blur between myth and reality are pretty big themes in the film.
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LesterGroans posted:It was worth it for the huge, mythic buildup as he's coming out of the tunnel and then Eli Roth emerges and he's just a regular guy who beats the poo poo out of people with a bat. Not a golem. People being regular people and the blur between myth and reality are pretty big themes in the film. In addition to your example of the Bear Jew: soon after there's a wonderful shot of a bumbling buffoon caricature of Hitler standing in front of a painting of heroic superhero Hitler. Neither one is the real Hitler, they're both propaganda.
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LesterGroans posted:I loved his performance because it wasn't awful. I don't really understand what you're saying. I thought he played the role with some really humorous subtlty and lots of crazy confidence. Yeah you're right. The point ---------------- my head
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I seriously would've liked to have seen the Punch Drunk Love Sandler as a creepy manchild with a baseball bat and a short temper, braining Nazis while screaming. When he's not doing either of those things, he just makes silly faces and speaks in babytalk.LesterGroans posted:I don't really understand what you're saying. Okay, to clarify I thought his characterization was really good. But on the surface there was still a fair bit of Brad Pitt mugging with a fake Southern accent, and it was distracting. It was less like watching a genuine person and more like watching Brad Pitt perform a role. Even if I liked the character, which I did, I couldn't unsee Pitt with a constipated face and phony dialect.
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Tewratomeh posted:I seriously would've liked to have seen the Punch Drunk Love Sandler as a creepy manchild with a baseball bat and a short temper, braining Nazis while screaming. When he's not doing either of those things, he just makes silly faces and speaks in babytalk. my Sandler impression.
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Tewratomeh posted:I seriously would've liked to have seen the Punch Drunk Love Sandler as a creepy manchild with a baseball bat and a short temper, braining Nazis while screaming. When he's not doing either of those things, he just makes silly faces and speaks in babytalk. I don't think Aldo was supposed to come across as a genuine person as much as a pastiche of all-American good ol boy imagery, and USA WW2 era propaganda film heroes. None of the Basterds are particularly characterized outside of Stiglitz.
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the Bunt posted:I don't think Aldo was supposed to come across as a genuine person as much as a pastiche of all-American good ol boy imagery, and USA WW2 era propaganda film heroes. None of the Basterds are particularly characterized outside of Stiglitz. That was my impression as well. I'm not going to call Pitt's performance "great" or anything but rather it is exactly what Tarantino was going for and it worked well within the film. It was a fine performance in that respect. That, and the "Bonjourno!" line slays me every time. Getting back to my previous post about Eli Roth. I guess I just have such a hate going for the torture porn thing that was popular years ago that it's kinda reflected in my view of Eli Roth who was synonymous with the sub-genre. Edit: Sacha Baron Cohen's casting has me intrigued quite a bit. I always got the feeling he would really surprise a lot of people if he was in a more off-beat kind of serious film and Tarantino is perfect to tap into that (I never saw Sweeney Todd but I heard good things). Justin Godscock fucked around with this message at Apr 30, 2012 around 03:54 |
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Sorry to continue the derail I guess I started (?) but Eli Roth's best acting role is easily the stoner Griff from Cabin Fever. I think he's actually funny as hell in that movie. Coincidentally it's also his best movie in general. Anyway, has anyone heard when we should be getting a trailer for this film?
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This thread needs a soundtrack (This had better be in the film): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_OiUURbYlQ
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That just sounds like something Tarantino would use for his opening credits, or at least redo while maintaining the chorus.
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Dr. Video Games 0055 posted:Edit: Sacha Baron Cohen's casting has me intrigued quite a bit. I always got the feeling he would really surprise a lot of people if he was in a more off-beat kind of serious film and Tarantino is perfect to tap into that (I never saw Sweeney Todd but I heard good things). He was one of the best things about Hugo, too. He seems to only do well in other peoples stuff these days.
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Serak posted:This thread needs a soundtrack (This had better be in the film): If we're gonna talk about possible soundtrack, then music from Danger Mouse's Rome needs to be used. Any track will do.
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sursumdeorsum posted:I was way more stoked about Will Smith in the role. The fact the he turned it down due to image issues makes me respect him a lot less, considering he doesn't really need to be worrying about the bankability of his "star" when he is worth $200,000,000. You've taken it a bit further than I would have but I agree with the general idea. Seeing Will Smith not take on a risky(ish) role like this at this point in his career does make me lose a bit of respect for him as an actor. I'd just like him to be utilized more as a character actor, but as others have alluded to unless he's the number one star of the film he tends to turn it down nowadays. Hijinks Ensue posted:Eli's line readings weren't great, but the insanity you see in his eyes more than makes up for that. The Germans are right - the Bear Jew is a golem. One reason I like the movie is that half the Basterds are psychopathic thugs, but they're on the right side. Yeah, I think Roth fitted the role very well. His intensity was great. Sandler would have been an interesting choice and I've got no doubt Tarantino would have made it work, but Roth was very good despite his lack of acting chops. Plenty of people hate Roth though, for fair reasons, so I can understand a bit of backlash. Personally really looking forward to this movie. Foxx is a fine replacement for Smith.
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