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hieronymus posted:Ever notice how you can put 'stupid' in place of 'spiritual' and leave the meaning completely intact in all cases? I don't understand why we even have two different words. A post so edgy it cuts like a knife.
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| # ¿ May 1, 2012 13:14 |
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Wingless posted:Regarding human impulses for survival, isn't starving to death a torturous process? I would have thought someone starving to death would be clawing their way to the kitchen no matter what their beliefs. Just because a belief is completely and totally loving stupid, or the result of actively bad wiring or general mental illness, doesn't mean it can't give you a certain force of will. Whatever else you can say about her, she had the strength of her beliefs. In the face of that, something as chickenshit as base instinct fails. Crazy wins, every single time. And not everyone is completely pussy.
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| # ¿ May 1, 2012 13:54 |
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Saint Darwin posted:How does this idea quite literally not die out? Ideas don't work that way.
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| # ¿ May 1, 2012 15:32 |
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Dolphin posted:I wonder if I could get people to eat dirt... People eat dirt all the time in places all over the world. Certain types of dirt or clay can actually be good for you. Just randomly picking up some dirt not so much.
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| # ¿ May 1, 2012 15:47 |
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spikenigma posted:Ha ha!, oops! I'm pretty sure he was in fact taking apart that argument, not supporting it.
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 11:21 |
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The Bible posted:Hey, I get it, your name is The Bible and you have a problem with religion. Good joke.
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 15:08 |
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Saint Darwin posted:Then that means they're not following the Bible No it doesn't, they are taking the metaphorical parts metaphorically, and the literal parts literal. quote:I don't see how anyone can decide which is which because it all comes down to "well, that's against my current beliefs/would be too hard, so I'm going ignore it" and "that fits into what I already believe so I'll say it's a fact" Have you never met people before? Your failure of imagination or social interaction doesn't impact external reality. quote:It's the same thing with the shellfish , they'd just shrug their shoulders and say "well, that was just a thing back then because they were unsafe practices." Or they'd just refer to the New Testament and Matthew 15.
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 15:32 |
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Leon Einstein posted:Again, this is entirely up to the individual interpreting it. There's no right or wrong answer to which part is literal and which part is metaphorical. No poo poo, welcome to the point. The entire argument seems to be "They can't do that, and it's not really real!". Guess what, people have been saying that about religions forever. It doesn't matter if it's true, it's pointless. The people doing the believing aren't listening, the people that don't believe either feel the same way or want you to shut the gently caress up about it. Insanity, doing the same thing expecting a different response, blah blah blah.
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 15:35 |
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Earwicker posted:Buddhists are just as capable of religious oppression and bigotry as Christians. Last I checked Buddhists are still human, so that seems fairly self-evident. Leon Einstein posted:Yeah, but stating that they're taking the literal parts literally and the metaphorical parts metaphorically implies that there is a concrete difference between the two parts. Look at you, missing the point again. It doesn't imply that. It implies they are doing whatever the gently caress they want, and what you or external reality feel about the matter doesn't impact the equation because they don't loving care, and they are going to do what they want. You can have a problem with that, but as *was* the point, they don't loving care and it's not changing anyone's mind.
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 15:44 |
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Leon Einstein posted:You've got to be pretty loving stupid to believe that people were raised from the dead (Jesus and Lazarus). That's happened a whole zero times throughout history. It hasn't? What's your proof? We've brought people 'back' after 40 minutes of not, you know, breathing. That's pretty dead. Fairly dead. As they say, you aren't dead until you are warm and dead. Cold and dead is just 'potentially alive'. At what point would you call someone dead enough to describe their medical treatment as a resurrection?
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 15:57 |
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Saint Darwin posted:I don't think that very new medical science has any impact on something written 2000 years ago. I don't think what people wrote 2000 years ago has any impact on the story in the OP either, but here people are talking about it. If I give the religious crap for their stupid beliefs, I'm giving him crap for not understanding what we've actually done in science. Ignorance is ignorance. Fools need to educate themselves. quote:What impact does it have? People stay oppressed and never live their lives how they want because they fear a fiery hell. People are perfectly capable of oppressing themselves alone, in a dark room, with no input from the outside world. It's not so much that people are broken, so much as people are pointless. They have no real purpose to stray from. Why do I care about the bad sides of religion when I've seen no compelling evidence they are worse than any other social behavior, ever? Case in point Leon Einstein posted:The burden lies on you to provide proof that people have been "resurrected" by doctors after being cold and dead. I'll just add no brain activity either, as that's another metric I consider important when determining whether someone is dead or not. This man is a moron. He has no understanding of the situation he's talking about, but he's talking anyway. He is literally a force of destructive ignorance set loose in the world. He is as much a 'problem' as people that believe Jesus can leap tall buildings in a single bound. What proof is there to self-evident things? The state we are talking about here is called clinical death. It takes under a minute for all brain activity to stop from the onset of clinical death. As I've said, the record for bringing someone back is closer to an hour. This is because really, really cold water is good at keeping the brain from being completely shattered by the process of, you know, death. Why would you talk about this subject when you clearly know nothing about it?
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 16:09 |
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nice mattimer posted:Just because life is 'pointless' doesn't mean a life dedicated to counting the grass on a lawn is just as valuable as striving for a cure for cancer. Of course it does, because real life is slightly more complicated than a silly example. Most people can not meaningfully impact cancer research. A lot of people that are actual researchers aren't very good at it. Throwing more people at the equation isn't going to help. Guy counting grass that donates 5 bucks a month to the cause is making a bigger contribution than being a poo poo researcher wasting tens of thousands of dollars in his salary a year. quote:When you get into the whole 'we're all dust and everything is subjective anyway', while it may tickle the fatalist fantasies of some people, it's as pointless to discussion as we are to the universe. Debatable, but it doesn't stop it being true. If you tell me Jesus isn't real like that should matter, I'm forced to ask how much of the bullshit you base your life on is really 'real' at the end of the day. Because I, personally, don't care about real. I care about your ability to not gently caress up my day with your bullshit hang-ups. Religion that does that I have a problem with. Irreligion that does that I have a problem. Religion that doesn't do that I don't have a problem with. Irreligion that doesn't do that I don't have a problem with. quote:"If sub specie aeternitatis there is no reason to believe that anything matters, then that doesn't matter either, and we can approach our absurd lives with irony instead of heroism or despair." Good, just keep it off my lawn. Saint Darwin posted:Of course it harms people. I had a neighbor that used to beat the living poo poo out of her grandson with a belt. You could hear the screams from the entire block. Not a particularly religious woman, although I do believe she did have a supernatural ability to torture that kid. Lots of things harm people. People can suck. I'm asking you why religion sucks above and beyond how much you and every other human being sucks by default. And you aren't answering.
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 16:24 |
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Leon Einstein posted:Yes, but he's arguing that it is literally possible today to resurrect dead people. People entering a state called clinical death where the brain isn't doing poo poo, they haven't taken a breath for the better part of an hour, and nothing is going on....then exiting that state is something that can't meaningfully be called resurrection because? That's something I asked you to answer. You didn't. I did so because I suspected you to be loudly ignorant. I consider it to be an innate flaw of the species, not really dependent on any sort of ideology. You are really doing nothing but proving me right. You weren't rational or effective in your argument, you just got defensive and started deflecting. You are broken. I have no idea how to fix you. Why do I care more about other broken people more than you?
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 16:38 |
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Hobohemian posted:Do you people even remember what this thread was about?I'll give you guys a hint: it's at the top of the page in bold blue writing. It's not a particularly complex topic. After a certain point, people branch out from the specifics. In this case, they went to spirituality/religion. Going back to the topic really only works for "Yep, that is a chick that killed herself trying to live on sunlight alright". The conversation moving forward from that simple statement ends up...well, here. Leon Einstein posted:The concept of resurrection as stated in the bible is not at all what goes on in cold water resuscitation. I was assuming we were talking about "resurrection" in the biblical sense, you know, since we're talking about the bible. Then why'd you bring up the phrase 'cold water resuscitation', which I'm pretty sure has nothing to do with the Bible either? Shouldn't you have just said 'that isn't what I meant' and moved on? Don't backpedal now. You made a half-assed effort to defend your position with a sort of retard strength bullrush and failed. You got in the conversation before deciding you weren't getting traction and left to save face. We weren't talking about "The Bible", we were talking about people's belief in the Bible and some of the crazier parts of them. I used you as an example of someone who doesn't appear to believe those things, yet is still clearly a semi-sentient man-slug. You are my evidence in the argument of "People: Kind of illogical as a default condition", brought up in light of others talking about the irrationality of believing in the supernatural elements of the Bible.
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 16:51 |
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I'm sure you guys will hash out that religion thing any minute now, keep up the good work!
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 19:35 |
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Cardiovorax posted:For someone who gets whiny and butthurt in every single thread that even casually mentions religion in a disparaging way, you're awfully smug about "letting that tired old topic rest." You say every thread like they aren't all the exact same thread with the same stupid people making the same arguments that don't matter to anyone all the time. I can absolutely be smug when people trot out their mental dysfunction every time someone rings the bell like the worlds most boring lab experiment. Also who are you again?
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 20:03 |
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Saint Darwin posted:Clearly he's not the GBS allstar you are You showed me with that one.
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 20:19 |
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Leon Einstein posted:I haven't seen Randi mentioned once until your post. Yes, because that was the key point of his argument.
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 20:39 |
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nice mattimer posted:Nobody really said there's harm in 'religion'. We're just talking about the finer points of Christian theory. No, that's really not being discussed. The last little discussion is basically this: "It's ok because God did it" "No it isn't" There is absolutely no depth or subtlety to it, and it's not leading anywhere. Which is cool, like any form of masturbation intellectual masturbation is just there to make yourself feel good. Just don't pretend this is a discussion and not masturbation.
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 20:44 |
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Cardiovorax posted:People wouldn't starve because they think they can eat light. Sure they would. Not all mental dysfunction is psychological, some is biological. Moreover all sorts of poo poo that doesn't really exist is believed in on a daily basis and not considered all that crazy. The innate value of human life, any given monetary system, laws...a whole lot of the stuff that people use to give their life meaning is ultimately just made up bullshit that only exists in their head, and that reality couldn't care less about. Where exactly do you draw the line, and why should anyone care about your line over theirs?
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| # ¿ May 2, 2012 20:52 |
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semiavrage posted:He did but I wouldn't call it a eureka moment. He had business cards for these guys selling this device. It was some $2000 boot that had an electromagnet in it. Seriously. The innovation? Magnet was on a timer, you know, since you wouldn't want to end up with some kind of mutant superleg. Don't worry, your doctor isn't crazy. He's getting a kickback of that magnet money.
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