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Gestalt Intellect posted:The only knowledge of an MMO you need to make a fairly accurate prediction that it will fail is the fact that it is not Everquest or World of Warcraft.  I got to work on one of the non-failure ones.
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I may be rusty on my TES lore but why would the Bretons and Redguard team up with the Orcs? I thought the Redguard and Bretons disliked each other until they had to team up and fight the Orcs who rebuffed them because they're hard-rear end survivors. It seems really weird.
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| # ? May 5, 2012 05:26 |
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tekz posted:-The Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood will be presented, but in what form isn't detailed as their contnet is hard to recreate in an MMO setting Dark Brotherhood: Go and kill this boss. He will aggro at you first, since he's marked as hostile in the code. Stealth is not an option Thieves Guild: Go and fight your way through this instance. Click on the item at the end. Stealth is not an option.
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| # ? May 5, 2012 05:27 |
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Vanderdeath posted:I may be rusty on my TES lore but why would the Bretons and Redguard team up with the Orcs? I thought the Redguard and Bretons disliked each other until they had to team up and fight the Orcs who rebuffed them because they're hard-rear end survivors. It seems really weird. Because they think each faction needs the same number of racial options. What would be not retarded would be if each race was its own faction, set up significant barriers to leveling/playing in a country not racially your own, and then set goals and let alliances form (or not form) organically. They'll tend to form along racial lines and there won't be too many people outside their race's country, but there will be some who do it for various reasons or just for the novelty. But this isn't about making sense or even about making a good game. This is a team seeing a steady paycheck for a much longer development cycle than a normal project, and giving management a tired retread because suits don't want to take risks. If it flops, "whatever, who cares, I got steady pay for six-plus years."
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| # ? May 5, 2012 06:00 |
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Bretons and Orcs makes some sense. Orsinium is in High Rock. Throwing Redguards in there is pretty dumb though. Hammerfell borders High Rock but Redguard culture is strongly anti-magic. Moreso than any other group.
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Kilroy posted:Bretons and Orcs makes some sense. Orsinium is in High Rock. I'm not a huge lore guy for the ES, but my impression of Breton/Orcish relations is such that this makes about as much sense as saying: "Well, Israelis and Palestinians both live in the same area, so it makes sense that they're natural allies..."
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| # ? May 5, 2012 13:57 |
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IMO the best way to do a sort of TES online game would be to do something more along the lines of the multiplayer in Red Dead RedemptionKilroy posted:Throwing Redguards in there is pretty dumb though. Hammerfell borders High Rock but Redguard culture is strongly anti-magic. Moreso than any other group. I wouldn't be surprised if they changed Redguards to be more sneaky/stealthy so they can do a basic Orc = warrior / Breton = mage /Redgaurd = thief thing Earwicker fucked around with this message at May 5, 2012 around 14:53 |
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Fintilgin posted:I'm not a huge lore guy for the ES, but my impression of Breton/Orcish relations is such that this makes about as much sense as saying: "Well, Israelis and Palestinians both live in the same area, so it makes sense that they're natural allies..." This is exactly accurate. The only time they actually get along is when an Empire protects the Orcs. Every other time, Orsinium just gets wiped out. It's happened 2 notable times in history- when the Bretons and Redguards destroyed the first ever Orsinium (the war Gaiden Shinji fought in, as played up by the Arena in Oblivion) and in the chaotic little bit when the Septim Empire crumbled before the Medes swooped in and salvaged what they could- it's only mentioned in the novels.
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| # ? May 5, 2012 15:29 |
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Yeah, I'm not much of a ES-lore person but from what I've read in the books in-game most of those alliances seem...off. I think the only group that actually likes the Orcs are the Imperial Empire and that's mostly because they make drat fine armor and warriors.
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Fintilgin posted:I'm not a huge lore guy for the ES, but my impression of Breton/Orcish relations is such that this makes about as much sense as saying: "Well, Israelis and Palestinians both live in the same area, so it makes sense that they're natural allies..."
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| # ? May 5, 2012 17:17 |
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Baracula posted:Haha yeah I bet you were so mad bro when you heard about this game There is no need to be upset, for this game will probably never come out.
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| # ? May 5, 2012 18:05 |
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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Earwicker posted:IMO the best way to do a sort of TES online game would be to do something more along the lines of the multiplayer in Red Dead Redemption Like people have been saying: Make a multiplayer Skyrim-like game and you'd have a license to print money. I don't get why they haven't done this already.
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| # ? May 5, 2012 18:13 |
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Vanderdeath posted:Like people have been saying: Make a multiplayer Skyrim-like game and you'd have a license to print money. I don't get why they haven't done this already. Probably has something to do with the insane amount of time, money and risk it'd take before it even approached completion.
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| # ? May 5, 2012 18:27 |
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fennesz posted:Probably has something to do with the insane amount of time, money and risk it'd take before it even approached completion. Like...5 years of development and the money required to set up a new studio?
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| # ? May 5, 2012 18:36 |
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So I decided to look up this Matt Firor guy and seethat the only "recent" MMO he's been involved is Dark Ages of Camelot. Well, it does visually remind me of Daggerfall, but then I stumbled upon this page and it became clear why he's heading up the project.  armor.
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| # ? May 5, 2012 19:24 |
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I really can't believe that they'd use that logo for an MMO and not have it be an elaborate troll.
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| # ? May 5, 2012 21:44 |
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And then there's the whole Argonians repeated attempts at invading Morrowind by throwing themselves at their spears or something.
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Vanderdeath posted:Like people have been saying: Make a multiplayer Skyrim-like game and you'd have a license to print money. I don't get why they haven't done this already. Skyrim is already the closest I've seen a game come to tripping over it's own balls. That game is stuffed to the very gills, and the Gamebryo engine has been creaking under its own weight since Oblivion. "Make a multiplayer Skyrim-like game" is a great idea, but it would be an order of magnitude more work than simply making GBS threads out another cookie-cutter MMO with TES branding, and even that has apparently taken 5 years already.
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Mordaedil posted:And then there's the whole Argonians repeated attempts at invading Morrowind by throwing themselves at their spears or something. And the whole "Seen as a slave race by the Dunmer" thing. Unless they are in and can pick any faction, I like how this race=alliance model leaves a big giant expansion sized hole for Imperials. That's some optimistic forward planning they've got there. Speaking of imperials, this game would be set before Tiber Septim Thuum-CHIMs Cyrodiil into a forest rather than a massive dense jungle with ziggurat cities and poo poo like that, so I wonder if the game will reflect that. No, wait, I think I know the answer.
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| # ? May 5, 2012 22:51 |
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tekz posted:
I have never played a MMO, but the elder scrolls worlds is about the most likely one I would try. What is non-real time combat, turn based?
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Reveilled posted:Speaking of imperials, this game would be set before Tiber Septim Thuum-CHIMs Cyrodiil into a forest rather than a massive dense jungle with ziggurat cities and poo poo like that, so I wonder if the game will reflect that.   But... but...
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| # ? May 5, 2012 23:06 |
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Tyree posted:I have never played a MMO, but the elder scrolls worlds is about the most likely one I would try. What is non-real time combat, turn based?
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| # ? May 5, 2012 23:13 |
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Fintilgin posted:
This is ridiculous. Bethesda has broken their own lore about vampires/werewolves several times. I don't think Zenimax Online doing it would do gently caress things up again.
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Sky Shadowing posted:This is ridiculous. Bethesda has broken their own lore about vampires/werewolves several times. I don't think Zenimax Online doing it would do gently caress things up again. It's one of those things they like to throw out there because it sounds good and because they know games 'journalists' will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, call them on their BS.
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Fintilgin posted:It's one of those things they like to throw out there because it sounds good and because they know games 'journalists' will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, call them on their BS. The mere fact that from the little information we already know, I can already point out several GAPING massive holes in the lore, tells me all I need to know. That said, the decision to set it in the 2nd Era is a very good decision, because it means, functionally, everything the players do is already defined by set parameters. There will be no uber-Empire, the Ebonheart Pact will go back to  ing at one another, the Dominion doesn't conquer Cyrodiil, etc.And when some guy inevitably sits on the Imperial throne screaming that he will bring about a thousand year Reich and we get proto-Nazis, with death to all the non (insert race here), we know that he will be toppled. Ally with the Marukhati Selective- the clan that backstabs each other not just because we can, but because the lore says we should! MK the Emperor, who will not just respect the lore, he will spout it in incomprehensible form until your ears bleed from confusion!
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Sky Shadowing posted:This is ridiculous. Bethesda has broken their own lore about vampires/werewolves several times. I don't think Zenimax Online doing it would do gently caress things up again.
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Zereth posted:Aren't they also already breaking established much more obvious lore with things like Cyrodill pre-Empire looking like it does in Oblivion and the weird rear end race grouping in the factions? Oh just you watch. The (article spoilers) plot of werewolves to take over Camlorn that you read about? It'll be a plot of Azura to increase her power and infect everyone with werewolves, because that's what she does! A thousand voices will scream in agony, followed by the rhythmic thumps of our foreheads meeting our tables, because we all know that that's the job of Hircine, Father of Werebeasts.
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I'm surprised that no one bothered to state the obvious on why the races that are allied with eachother are. Its because they share borders, which ironically enough is why they all hate each other in Lore. Zenimax doesn't want to have to deal with players not being able to get full access to friendly lands.
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| # ? May 6, 2012 23:11 |
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I'm not usually one to immediately deplore a game as soon as it's announced, but this is just stupid. The one good thing coming out of this is that it's not made by any actual TES development team, so we can all just ignore it and wont have to take it as canon.
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| # ? May 7, 2012 09:41 |
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I just wanted a TES game to have crappy netcode so I can roll around with maybe 3 friends... Not like this... Not like this...
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| # ? May 7, 2012 17:44 |
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Kinda weird that discussion on this subject just died like this. I'd hoped someone would at least discover a silver lining in all of this.
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| # ? May 11, 2012 07:29 |
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I think the lack of a silver lining is what caused us all to want to forget it existed. But there's also a thread on it in the regular Games forum so that's probably a contributor. Really though, reading about this is so depressing. They're using all of these terrible systems and touting terrible ideas as things that would want to make us play the game. "Hey, we're altering the lore to keep things balanced!! Oh also, to keep things balanced, we're refusing to alter the lore!! Don't worry everyone, we're prepared to wreck whatever it takes to keep things fair for 1v1 combat! Won't be anything fun or groundbreaking in this game, no siree!"
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Rixen posted:I think the lack of a silver lining is what caused us all to want to forget it existed. The thread in Games is more dead than this one. The only people who are interested in this are also the ones most put off by all the information released, enthusiasm was stoked and crushed inside a weekend, now nobody gives a gently caress.
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Sky Shadowing posted:Oh just you watch. The (article spoilers) plot of werewolves to take over Camlorn that you read about? It'll be a plot of Azura to increase her power and infect everyone with werewolves, because that's what she does! What, this game won't even let me hate Hircine? Goddammit Zenimax.
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| # ? May 11, 2012 13:29 |
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So what thread tag is the Games forum one using? I just checked through PC and didn't find it.
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Cliff Racer posted:So what thread tag is the Games forum one using? I just checked through PC and didn't find it.
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radintorov posted:I don't know about the Games forum, but here's the thread in "The MMO HMO" sub-forum, which seems active: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...40&pagenumber=1 Last post 2 days ago. Deader than this thread.
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| # ? May 11, 2012 16:27 |
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I noticed both of the threads on SA died so I did some google searching. No one cares about this game anywhere on the entire internet. Even the mmorpg.com forums are hating on it and they will play anything. I don't even know why I care to talk about it. Possibly it's the shear disappointment, or maybe I need to grieve for the opportunity wasted. Actually, I think a small part of me hopes if the internet keeps the hate-fest rolling that zenimax will scrap or start over on it.
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| # ? May 11, 2012 18:27 |
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The only bright spot for me was reading a post on Neogaf(?) where someone wanted to chip in 10$ to 'kickstop' Elder Scrolls online. I'm sure it wasn't the first time that joke was made, but it was the first time I'd read it. 
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Somewhere, some guy who thinks he's a cool exec because he doesn't wear a suit is fulfilling every bad stereotype about people who wear suits to work.
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