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Gwaihir posted:Something's really wrong if a card at only 83 degrees drops to like sub 500 mhz or 163mhz limp mode clocks, that's only supposed to happen at the hard cutoff of 95+ degrees C. At 83 it should just be back to completely stock/non boosted clocks. That cutoff is actually ~90°C for the GP104, otherwise the card only scales down by 13Mhz steps or so to roughly stock and sits there at about 82°C. So yea, if a GP104 instathrottles to desktop clocks on reach 83°C you might want to start the RMA paperwork.
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FaustianQ posted:Looking at it again, the link for the supposed CF configuration says "2 cards", so I guess it is a bad CF driver? There seems to be other weird things too though. 
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At least there's a different background image? That will surely get those dastardly detectives off our scent!
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More effort on the slide header as well. e: \/\/\/ yeah, it's lazy marketing but given the X-axis clearly isn't supposed to be more than generally indicative it seems likely it's a fair comparative of the two cards. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 13:57 on May 24, 2016 |
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As lazy and potentially deceptive as that is, it's 980 vs 1080 and 970 vs 1070. If they have a similar performance gap within 5% then the graph is roughly accurate. I'd have thought the 1070 would have been a bigger improvement over the 970 though so the graph is a disappointment.
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Is it kind of suspicious that we can't see 3rd party reviewer benchmarks of the 1070 until the first wave of 1080s are sold out?
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Some questionable numbers for benchmarks/temps/etc. on the 1080s, selling them before the 1070 info is released, and AMD stating they're targeting midrange for now...yee haw fresh die shrink, eh. The wait for Computex is painful. 3D thread crosspost, heads up for anyone else that might be in my spot: After buying a USB card, a couple adapters, and spending a lot of time troubleshooting, I'm pretty sure I have a $600 paperweight Rift. I have a 7970 with only DVI and Displayport out (Rift is HDMI), the headset passes the connectivity checks, but I get a blank display except one time it gave some bright lines. Very similar to someone else on the Oculus forums who tried more adapters and such than I did and concluded: quote:Also From What I Understand, AMD and AIB Partners did not support DisplayPORT++ for the earlier GCN Cards.
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interesting video where they dissassemble and mount a 980TI liquid cooler on the 1080GTX to see what clocks can be achieved. Apparently running stable around 2164Mhz compared to the max 2050 they ran on the FE. While the performance increase was negligable this did however stop the card from throttling back all the time due to thermals. You think aftermarket cards will see the same results or will they perhaps be able to pull away due to adding some more power to the card?
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fozzy fosbourne posted:Is it kind of suspicious that we can't see 3rd party reviewer benchmarks of the 1070 until the first wave of 1080s are sold out? Suspicious isn't the word I'd go with but yea, they're clearly taking a strategy that drives sales of 1080 founders editions. Just as clear: the best strategy if you're going to buy a card is to wait for now, either for non-reference 1080s or a non-reference 1070.
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The Devil Tesla posted:Suspicious isn't the word I'd go with but yea, they're clearly taking a strategy that drives sales of 1080 founders editions. Just as clear: the best strategy if you're going to buy a card is to wait for now, either for non-reference 1080s or a non-reference 1070. the signs of a desperate company trying to cling on for dear life as the AMD overlords approach
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Mikojan posted:interesting video where they dissassemble and mount a 980TI liquid cooler on the 1080GTX to see what clocks can be achieved. Yeah, it seems there is a hard limit on voltage and power draw in the vbios (I think to prevent enthusiastic idiots from bricking a card ?), and all overclocks right now are power limited. This either points to very diminishing returns on clocks past 2.0Ghz, issues with this stepping of GP104 having problems with higher voltages/power draw, or Nvidia trying to increase margin by removing the necessary components to run GP104 hungrier and faster. GP104 also runs better period when it's colder at same clocks if I am understanding Techpowerup at all, possibly another factor?
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Mikojan posted:interesting video where they dissassemble and mount a 980TI liquid cooler on the 1080GTX to see what clocks can be achieved. Pretty sure I saw evidence it's definitely power limited. Alchenar posted:More effort on the slide header as well. It's still real weird that they're apparently using literally the same HTML to draw each graph. Incidentally apparently there's NV driver problems with Total Warhams. WTF.
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Yeah the current whql drivers (368.22) are causing problems with total warhammer for some cards. Like halving your fps problems.
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Mikojan posted:interesting video where they dissassemble and mount a 980TI liquid cooler on the 1080GTX to see what clocks can be achieved. I heard some people already did voltmods etc, and couldn't really get much higher clocks. Which isn't that surprising, recent intel's chips also haven't really been profiting all that much from better voltage/cooling for overclocking, since about haswell. I guess the smaller lithography requires decent power supply to run well anyway, so there's not that much gap any more.
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This is slightly worrying if true. A OCd 1080 would maybe get around 20% more performance than a OCd 980ti. That 789 euro pricetag for the reference card would be a bit steep.
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Vintersorg posted:$909 That's actually not a huge ripoff for once, with the exchange rate that clocks in to around $690 USD.
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Mikojan posted:This is slightly worrying if true. A OCd 1080 would maybe get around 20% more performance than a OCd 980ti. That 789 euro pricetag for the reference card would be a bit steep. It's a shame if true, but that's the downside of higher clocks. It took pretty good aftermarket 980 Ti versions to get a 30% gain over stock performance, so we might still see those numbers.
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FaustianQ posted:GP104 also runs better period when it's colder at same clocks if I am understanding Techpowerup at all, possibly another factor? Running the chip (any chip) colder reduces voltage leakage, which for a power-limited card means you get more clock out of your power budget.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Running the chip (any chip) colder reduces voltage leakage, which for a power-limited card means you get more clock out of your power budget. And the G10 + 140mm AIO lives again! Assuming it fits, which I really hope it does.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Running the chip (any chip) colder reduces voltage leakage, which for a power-limited card means you get more clock out of your power budget. The parallels between GP104 and Hawaii are stunning at this point.
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Vintersorg posted:It's still a ton of cash and I hate our dollar. I easily saw 980ti's breaking the thousand dollar mark, so the premium priced founders edition 1080 coming over for $909 means that a price of $799 for the regular variants is possible. Still way more than I want to pay for a video card, but it's not conversion + 30%, which really offends me when it happens.
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FaustianQ posted:The parallels between GP104 and Hawaii are stunning at this point. Inadequate blower.txt Standard chip stuff, run the chip hot to give the cooler more temperature difference to work with, end up using more power for the performance, and throttle from high clocks.
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teh_Broseph posted:Some questionable numbers for benchmarks/temps/etc. on the 1080s, selling them before the 1070 info is released, and AMD stating they're targeting midrange for now...yee haw fresh die shrink, eh. The wait for Computex is painful. What adapter are you trying? A DVI to HDMI adapter should work perfectly for the Rift. DP on the other hand is more of a pain in the rear end to convert as unless you buy an Active Converter, you are stuck at around 1080P/60Hz with the passive ones (I can get 1080P/100Hz out of mine, but the Monitor hates it and tells me every time I power it on).
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In case anyone cares, it's looking like Fry's may have been a bust. Not long after they were posted here, the links to the products went down. As of this morning, my order changed from arriving June 1st to backordered. So, either they didn't mean to have it up and backordered is a placeholder until they can actually sell them or their allotment went that quickly. Won't know until Friday, but it's looking like a very supply constrained launch.
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bull3964 posted:In case anyone cares, it's looking like Fry's may have been a bust. Not long after they were posted here, the links to the products went down. As of this morning, my order changed from arriving June 1st to backordered. Someone posted on a thread in Reddit that they called Frys and "backordered" is how the system shows preorders. Makes some sense, a preorder is a kind of back order. So unless you actually get a cancellation notice I think you're good.
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EdEddnEddy posted:What adapter are you trying? A DVI to HDMI adapter should work perfectly for the Rift. DP on the other hand is more of a pain in the rear end to convert as unless you buy an Active Converter, you are stuck at around 1080P/60Hz with the passive ones (I can get 1080P/100Hz out of mine, but the Monitor hates it and tells me every time I power it on). Tried this one. Some more stuff from the other person with a 7970 in that Oculus thread, starts to get a little outside my experience level. https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/29713/just-to-confirm-displayport-and-dvi-adapters-do-work#latest posted:Talked with MSI, the DisplayPorts indeed are not capable of forwarding the HDMI Stream, while it can forward a Untouched DVI stream througj passive Adapter. (odd I know). Here's what the DVI->HDMI adapter route looks like for both of us, one screen off, the other: 
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Paul MaudDib posted:Someone posted on a thread in Reddit that they called Frys and "backordered" is how the system shows preorders. Makes some sense, a preorder is a kind of back order. Well, that's good to hear at least. I'm still only betting 50/50 as to whether will be shipped this week though.
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teh_Broseph posted:Tried this one. Some more stuff from the other person with a 7970 in that Oculus thread, starts to get a little outside my experience level. That is, strange. You got a DVI to HDMI (Male) adapter? seems a bit odd. Usually you use a HDMI to DVI (Female) adapter and just plug the HDMI cable into that. ALSO, check that the cable is plugged in solid in the rift itself. The cable going to the HMD is removable and it may have gotten slightly loose somehow possibly. If that isn't the case, try another adapter if you can, or see if you can plug the Rift into any other system possibly. If you live near a Frys, pick up a GPU to "Try" as the no restocking fee makes it easy to test and return (Buy an open box/returned one to be less of a dick about it though). Though no promises if you get a good card, and end up wanting to keep it because VR. IF it happens with another adapter/card though, then your rift does sound boned and needs an RMA. Edit:READING that you both have 7970's with the same issue, if the adapters for DVI-HDMI don't work, then it does sound like the GPU's fault more than the Rift at this point... Weird for sure. EdEddnEddy fucked around with this message at 17:28 on May 24, 2016 |
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Dual-Mode DisplayPort is super hacky and I can definitely imagine it not working right with a system as performance-sensitive as the Rift. And active adapters seem like they definitely wouldn't work, too much latency. HDMI is more or less just a more compact connector for DVI, the electrical specs and protocol are identical. There's some tiny differences at the margins but DVI is more or less a superset of HDMI functionality.
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That rumoured pre-Computex AMD event in Macau is confirmed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc1APLlPc14&t=1m49s e: also 
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repiv posted:That rumoured pre-Computex AMD event in Macau is confirmed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc1APLlPc14&t=1m49s Two gens in a row with the x70 matching the previous x80 ti is pretty drat impressive. 1070 is going to be the card to have (like I predicted on day 1 based on absolutely nothing but ill pretend like im smart!)
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If that chart has any basis in reality I will buy a 1070 as soon as the non-founders edition is available. Looks mighty tasty.
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repiv posted:That rumoured pre-Computex AMD event in Macau is confirmed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc1APLlPc14&t=1m49s I really hate this marketing. 3%. Three motherfucking percent.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:I really hate this marketing. 3%. Three motherfucking percent. But it's so much better than the Titan, which is a 1000 dollar card! (never mind the aftermarket 980 Ti existing)
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SwissArmyDruid posted:I really hate this marketing. 3%. Three motherfucking percent. welp 980 ti = 1070 more or less, that tanks any value they had
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