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there aren't enough games where the villain is the main character in fact there are pretty much none of those.
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forget blitzball i want a tin pin slammer phone game. really easy to build microtransactions into it too
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Jul 8, 2015 03:34
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Excels posted:there aren't enough games where the villain is the main character FFTA
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Jul 8, 2015 03:34
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The best JRPG is Final Fantasy VII, but we hit peak JRPG somewhere in the Xenosaga trilogy. (Skipped those games after the first didn't grab me and I read some discussion about the balls-out crazy plot) Xenogears with a budget could have taken both titles. 
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Jul 8, 2015 03:40
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:The best JRPG is Final Fantasy VII, but we hit peak JRPG somewhere in the Xenosaga trilogy. (Skipped those games after the first didn't grab me and I read some discussion about the balls-out crazy plot) Xenosaga 1 was "Xenogears with budget" and then instantly the budget ran out
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Jul 8, 2015 03:52
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morallyobjected posted:I probably would have liked FFX more when it came out if it had the expert sphere grid. gently caress the regular one. the addition of the abilities that get you the right kind of spheres was also useful. i agree with this the expert sphere grid version is wayyyyyy better
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Jul 8, 2015 04:04
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Excels posted:there aren't enough games where the villain is the main character From what I understand, you played as the antagonist for half of Breath of Fire 4.
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Jul 8, 2015 04:30
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the protagonists from the first golden sun game are the antagonists for part of the second one
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Jul 8, 2015 04:40
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They aren't really RPG's but any Dungeon Keeper or DK-inspired game like the Badman series are all about being the villain. They tend to be fun too when they're not mobile cash-ins.
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Jul 8, 2015 04:42
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i guess i'll be the person to unironically say Chrono Trigger is the best JRPG then
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Jul 8, 2015 05:02
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dukerson posted:i guess i'll be the person to unironically say Chrono Trigger is the best JRPG then Not with that bullshit DBZ art  Excels posted:Xenosaga 1 was "Xenogears with budget" and then instantly the budget ran out It was a failure from the beginning. The devs branched off from Square and couldn't touch the intellectual property in Xenogears. And just from a gameplay perspective I find your post ridiculous! Very different games.
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Jul 8, 2015 05:28
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Gamma Nerd posted:Oh I agree with the first one, I just don't know how they'd handle a game from the perspective of the Angels. As for the second, I honestly never considered Minamimoto's fate in the main timeline It's ok, I kind of 100% it like once a year because I just get the urge to play through it again so I know that plot too well. But yeah, if you go and inspect what should be his grave the game makes a big deal about Sho not being there and he's not in any epilogue sequence so I just assumed that was one of their sequel hooks.
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Jul 8, 2015 05:35
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Sordas Volantyr posted:From what I understand, you played as the antagonist for half of Breath of Fire 4. there's only a couple mini-dungeons as fou-lu, they're cool though
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Jul 8, 2015 05:36
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Levantine posted:FFTA don't even start
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Jul 8, 2015 05:42
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:And just from a gameplay perspective I find your post ridiculous! Very different games. Well yeah I know that much, although I'm still perplexed about how the Xeno series worked, weren't they continuously trying to tell this massive loving origin mythos story and each time their budget fell short or they didn't get enough games to tell the whole tale or...?
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Jul 8, 2015 05:43
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Obviously Ogre Battle is the best and wait, that's not even a JRPG. My opinion on JRPGs is terrible.
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Jul 8, 2015 06:11
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zedprime posted:My gut instinct was Anachronox but then I remembered its neither japanese nor finished Man, gently caress you for reminding me  V-Men posted:Obviously Ogre Battle is the best and wait, that's not even a JRPG. My opinion on JRPGs is terrible. Ogre Battle 64 owned though
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Jul 8, 2015 07:05
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Excels posted:Well yeah I know that much, although I'm still perplexed about how the Xeno series worked, weren't they continuously trying to tell this massive loving origin mythos story and each time their budget fell short or they didn't get enough games to tell the whole tale or...? Xenogears actually laid it out very well. At the end of it, you find out it's something ridiculous like Episode 5 of 9 of a story, but has enough in its plot to imagine what 1-4 could have been. (Funny, it handles the origin mythos handily in my eyes.) Then Xenosaga couldn't do anything with the original "stuff" and things got real messy. Someone else is much more well qualified to cover that.
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Jul 8, 2015 07:33
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Why are people insulting dbz art in here? I thought you liked jrpgs?
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Jul 8, 2015 07:48
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V-Men posted:Obviously Ogre Battle is the best and wait, that's not even a JRPG. My opinion on JRPGs is terrible. That's an rpg the same way game awards label fire emblem and dark souls as jrpgs
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Jul 8, 2015 08:40
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so i started a new run of ff13 last night. let's see if i can actually enjoy it this time around as i am not expecting anything from it. also maybe i can figure out how to play it properly so i don't hit a massive wall near the end of the game and stop playing like last time 📣
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Jul 8, 2015 10:41
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corn in the fridge posted:so i started a new run of ff13 last night. let's see if i can actually enjoy it this time around as i am not expecting anything from it. also maybe i can figure out how to play it properly so i don't hit a massive wall near the end of the game and stop playing like last time 📣 the only way to play ff13 properly is to use the disc as a frisbee.
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Jul 8, 2015 10:53
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Kinda off-topic from where this thread is going, but are the Scions in FFXII related to the Lucavi in FFtactics? It's supposedly the same world but it just seems like such a disconnect to give them so much agency in FFT and give them no personality in FFXII
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Jul 8, 2015 11:24
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Attitude Indicator posted:the only way to play ff13 properly is to use the disc as a frisbee. What about digital copies?
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Jul 8, 2015 11:28
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Tae posted:That's an rpg the same way game awards label fire emblem and dark souls as jrpgs Fire Emblem is a turn-based strategy RPG and Dark Souls is an action RPG, both of which are produced in Japan
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Jul 8, 2015 11:32
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Szurumbur posted:What about digital copies? sadly, a HD doesn't have the same aerodynamic qualities.
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Jul 8, 2015 11:37
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So I just finished my first Fiesta run and it was also the first time playing through FF5, and I had a blast. I also realized the only Final Fantasy i've ever beaten is 7, and that was like a decade ago, so I got some work to do to work through all of these. Think I'm gonna get started with FF1 (PSP version) and work my way up.
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Jul 8, 2015 11:39
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fronz posted:the protagonists from the first golden sun game are the antagonists for part of the second one And vice versa in the first game.
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Jul 8, 2015 11:50
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Awesome Welles posted:
Now's your chance to finish it: quote:It’s been almost a year since we fully launched Collective, and one of the headline announcements back then was the prospect of allowing developers to create games based in some of the old Eidos IPs. But it wasn’t something I wanted to open up right away, in case it overshadowed the original games that developers submitted to the platform. http://collective.square-enix.com/news/32/first-eidos-ips-made-available-via-square-enix-collective
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Jul 8, 2015 12:39
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dude789 posted:One really nice thing about the more recent Dragon Quest games is that they give the party members incredibly smart AI so if you want to grind it's really easy. Towards the end of DQ6 DS remake you could put everyone on Don't Use MP and they would still exploit weaknesses and find the strongest damage skills between item casts and free abilities to end battles very quickly. I did exactly this while watching Seinfeld reruns last week to finish up my job progression before the final boss
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Jul 8, 2015 12:55
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Excels posted:there aren't enough games where the villain is the main character Metal Gear Solid
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Jul 8, 2015 12:56
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Excels posted:there aren't enough games where the villain is the main character FF7 you're a bunch of terrorists for the first like half of the game. You even disrupt someone's perfectly reasonable attempt to save the world because their rocket will kill some dumb birds.
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Jul 8, 2015 13:16
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IcePhoenix posted:FF7 you're a bunch of terrorists for the first like half of the game. You even disrupt someone's perfectly reasonable attempt to save the world because their rocket will kill some dumb birds. Perfectly reasonable being 'weaponised chunks of the literal lifeblood of the planet' which doesn't even work anyway. Shinra's actions got them in that whole situation, it sure as hell wasn't going to get them out of it Also AVALANCHE did nothing wrong
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Jul 8, 2015 13:25
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Sordas Volantyr posted:From what I understand, you played as the antagonist for half of Breath of Fire 4. Not only that, but depending on your choices before the final battle, you can join forces with the antagonist in question to become an immortal god dragon and the final battle will consist of you controlling an unkillable murder machine facing your own party members who are hopelessly trying to stop you as you mow them down. That game is kinda grim.
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Jul 8, 2015 13:41
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Perfectly reasonable being 'weaponised chunks of the literal lifeblood of the planet' which doesn't even work anyway.
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Jul 8, 2015 13:56
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Perfectly reasonable being 'weaponised chunks of the literal lifeblood of the planet' which doesn't even work anyway. Shinra made Cloud ergo Shinra saved the world.
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Jul 8, 2015 15:03
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sassassin posted:Shinra made Cloud ergo Shinra saved the world. They also made sephiroth so it kinda balances out.
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Jul 8, 2015 15:06
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The Biggest Jerk posted:They also made sephiroth so it kinda balances out. The world was still saved. Doesn't matter who from. Shinra wins on a technicality.
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Jul 8, 2015 15:17
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The Biggest Jerk posted:Kinda off-topic from where this thread is going, but are the Scions in FFXII related to the Lucavi in FFtactics? It's supposedly the same world but it just seems like such a disconnect to give them so much agency in FFT and give them no personality in FFXII Yes. FFXII is before FFT, over a thousand years I think, so it hasn't gotten to the point where civilization is wiped out by them yet, and their bios make a point of stating that all of them except Zodiark, who couldn't help that he was the most powerful, are evil and bad news. Presumably the ones you don't see in FFT were either somehow destroyed or still bound to the Mist, because the Lucavi in FFT are bound to stones instead.
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I still don't know what soldier was supposed to be for. It's a giant super soldier arms race/pissing contest against...? Shinra own the whole world.
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