Excels posted:

shinra's descendants invent spirit energy as a power source > space travel > they leave spira > 1000 years after FFX they settled on the Planet > they found shinra power > farplane tech adapted to lifestream > mako

Baal posted:

Yes I know you read some gamefaqs write up because they saw Shinra make some comment near the end of the game that is supposed to be a shout out to VII and nothing more, but that's all it was

Nojima posted:

"During the game's progression, various vague things will be tied together to reveal it."


Interviewer: "For example, the name 'Shinra' suggests a connection with VII? There's <what's said> in the 'Graduation Mission' scenario ('graduation' referring to Shinra being soon to leave the Gullwings), and the 'I am not alone in my thinking' line from the 'Rin's Detective Work' scenario seems to have some particular significance."

Nojima: "Actually, it does. After quitting the Gullwings, Shinra received enormous financial support from Rin, and began trying to use Vegnagun to siphon Mako Energy from the Farplane. But, he is unable to complete the system for utilizing this energy in his generation, and in the future, when traveling to distant planets becomes possible, the Shin-Ra Company is founded on another world, or something like that....... That would happen about 1000 years after this story, I think."


--"So VII's story is after that?"

Nojima: "Well, you could say the feelings I have are like that. When I think about the characters, those are the kinds of feelings I already have. Shinra is a good child, but his descendants are going to end up becoming like the president <of Shin-Ra> (laughs)."

Baal posted:

An interview that they made no effort to actually pay any attention to, confirm, or capitalize on so it's about as well informed as Nomura was on being FF7R's director

Baal posted:

The difference is that's an actual thing in a canon game in the series and not some comment made by noted crazy person Nojima who was not only not the director of that game, but has also wrote a story that was poorly received by everyone that Square has not acknowledged since release.

Excels posted:

they published it. that makes it canon retard. even though it's loving stupid.

Sakurazuka posted:

the only canon that matters is the one in your head

ImpAtom posted:

Not even if it is done by the original author. That isn't how it works.

Excels posted:

im gonna politely ask how the gently caress that makes any sense, sir

Baal posted:

Let me ask you a question, do you think Persona: Trinity Soul is canon?

Mega64 posted:

In the case of the FF series, "canon" is whatever pisses off the fans more.

Phantasium posted:

.hack, which prided itself on being a multimedia machine, had a ton of side stories in anime and manga.

I'd say 75% of that was specifically stated to be non-canon, including one of the animes.

Tae posted:

Only liking something because it makes other people mad is a lovely trend this generation brought

ArmyOfMidgets posted:

greatn posted:

Cranky Kong was actually rendered sterile after he was involved in tests of strong herbicides and pesticides by Stanley the bug man during a successful collection mission in the Congo. Mario saw the need for platforming action gorillas and conspired with Princess Daisy to begin les gorilles terribles, a project by which three clones of Cranky Kong were created. One was a perfect clone in every way and quickly became insane and transformed himself into a lizard, rolling over the lizard tribes, making himself King Kong Rool. He rapidly changed personalities as well, becoming Kaptain Kong Rool and Baron Kong Rool in his constant attempts to siege Donkey Kong Island. One clone was made using the so called "weak genes" of Cranky. This was Donkey Kong. The last clone was made from the strong genes, and this was Funky Kong.

Mario grew to fear the Kongs and believe they may be too powerful, and he kidnapped a young chimpanzee as a countermeasure, believing it was not necessarily genes, but circumstances and memes that made them who they were. Diddy Kong was put through a virtual reality simulation of Donkey Kong "country" in which he relived the events of the first war of the Kongs. The plan backfired, as Kaptain Kong Rool kidnapped Donkey Kong, solving the problem, but Diddy Kongs programming and experience caused him to instinctively rescue Donkey Kong, even after Mario inserted the sleeper agent Dixie to try and distract from his mission.

The mushroom kingdom was in panic as the Kongs expanded their territory, now having dominion over Kong, Kremling islands and expanding into the surrounding islands. As a last gambit Mario turned K. Rool to the mushroom cause and successfully captured both Donkey and Diddy, but his own agent Dixie had fallen in love with the smaller Kong and together with the child they had out of wedlock freed him.

The proxy war with the Kong Island continues to this day, with Mario employing the skills of tikis, snowmads, and even racing wizard pigs to try to show their expansion. Kong Rool is presumed dead.

ImpAtom posted:

This isn't really a new thing. "I like it because it pisses people I dislike off" is as old as time.

That loving Sned posted:

Sometimes it's best to just make your own canon.

Tae posted:

Only liking something because it makes other people mad is a lovely trend this generation brought

ImpAtom posted:

Japanese errata stuff is not specifically designed to be part of a hard-and-fast canon that you take as 100% accurate. They publish individual stories or concepts in the same universe but do not care in the slightest if they contradict one another. The only thing that matters for 'canon' is the individual story. Even if an author chooses to clarify something after the fact they will not particularly care if they then contradict themselves later. (Sometimes they don't even care if they do that in-series.)

The FFVII thing we were discussing earlier is a fine example of that. There are like five different versions of what happened at Nibelheim depending on the game or cartoon you watch and they don't give a shiiiiit. They may or may not give a poo poo about stuff like Genesis or Deep Ground when FFVII is remade and it doesn't matter either way if they do.

Zack was shot in the head by a sniper. He was killed by a handful of grunts. He fought an entire army and almost won. These are all true and not contradictory.

ImpAtom posted:

Zack was shot in the head by a sniper. He was killed by a handful of grunts. He fought an entire army and almost won. These are all true and not contradictory.

NikkolasKing posted:

Sephiroth willingly jumping into the Mako was dumb and I sure as poo poo hope they don't do that for the VII Remake.

Mega64 posted:

As Sephiroth is about to strike down Cloud, Sephiroth falls from the ceiling and randomly impales Sephiroth with his sword. Cloud cries out for Sephiroth as Sephiroth removes his sword from Sephiroth's body and kicks Sephiroth into the lifestream. Cloud, berserk from just watching Sephiroth die, attacks Sephiroth and pushes him into the green goo.

Then Iscar Matthias brushes his hair to the side before darkly musing on the failings of humanity.

Baal posted:

Crisis Core was a really good loving game and I would probably replay it if I cared to play on my PSP again.

YoshiOfYellow posted:

Some story parts were questionable, like the entire existence of Genesis entirely. Game was still really enjoyable though I agree and probably one of the most painful endings to game I've played.

The White Dragon posted:

That loving Sned posted:

I wish there were enough spaces to name someone Iscar Matthias. Preferably Cait Sith.