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Harrow posted:As I watch some of the E3 2016 gameplay presentation, I'm even more convinced that if FFVIII was made today, it'd look a lot like FFXV. It even has a system where you gain magic by drawing it from the environment (but now you can also customize your spells, which is neat). You could've just watched the FF7 remake footage and gotten the feeling from that.
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Tae posted:You could've just watched the FF7 remake footage and gotten the feeling from that. Yeah, true. I just jumped to 8 because of the setting similarities, but you're right, it's clear what their current vision for a modern Final Fantasy is. Honestly, it's a logical evolution of ATB, so I'm not too surprised to see the games get more and more action-focused. The way Wait mode seems to work in 15 is kind of cool, too--if you have it on, it just takes over when you stop inputting actions, but you also only have a limited amount of time in Wait mode before you can't pause that fight anymore (though it seems really, really generous from the footage they showed).
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Jun 29, 2016 16:43
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The feeling I like to call "disappointment"
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Jun 29, 2016 17:07
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Terper posted:You can also look to some of Tabata's other games to see influences in combat - he seems to like heavy gravity and realistic movement, whereas someone like Nomura prefers more floaty combat. He likes bad combat systems. Type-0 HD is bad, The 3rd Birthday is bad. I can't find it now but I saw some interview where a designer on FFXV said Tabata didn't want enemies to have tells when they attack, so they purposefully gave them attacks that are sudden and hard to avoid. That sounds awful, any decent action game gives you a chance to dodge otherwise it just feels unfair and frustrating. Is that really how it turned out in the demos?
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Jun 29, 2016 21:33
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MY ABACUS! posted:Recently saw the FFXV trailer after not playing a Final Fantasy game since XII, and I was just wondering how did this happen? FFXIII was received so poorly they decided to make the opposite of that game. Gologle posted:You know, it's not Vaan and Penelo's fault they're street rats and can never be as cool as bunny girl, suave pirate, war hero, and princess. Nope, you can blame S-E execs for thinking they were in any way necessary. gently caress. Four heroes, a leading man, it all worked perfectly.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:34
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I still think Vaan and Penelo's traits/storyline could've been condensed into one character - let's call her "Penelo" - and then the sixth character should've been a non-human male, like a Moogle or Bangaa.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:36
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thorsilver posted:He likes bad combat systems. Type-0 HD is bad, The 3rd Birthday is bad. No. The Magitek soldiers' most dangerous attack in particular is nearly impossible not to see coming, on account of how they prelude it by tearing off their own arms.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:38
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Zombies' Downfall posted:I still think Vaan and Penelo's traits/storyline could've been condensed into one character - let's call her "Penelo" - and then the sixth character should've been a non-human male, like a Moogle or Bangaa. Now I'm even sadder than there was no playable moogle in FFXII  You're right: merge Vaan and Penelo into just Penelo, then like throw Montblanc in or something so I can give him a greatsword and watch a tiny moogle cleave dragons in half.thorsilver posted:He likes bad combat systems. Type-0 HD is bad, The 3rd Birthday is bad. At least the Iron Golem you can fight in the Platinum Demo has tells so big they might as well be QTEs, so if that's true then Tabata clearly got overruled/convinced otherwise. Harrow fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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Jun 29, 2016 21:46
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Harrow posted:Now I'm even sadder than there was no playable moogle in FFXII I'm sad we didn't get an actual dragoon option, even in IZJS. You can find random Rabanastre patrols, including a Bangaa that will just an actual "Jump" attack where he leaps in the air and slams down on enemies. It's in the game, why can't we have it? There are so few "technicks" worth using.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:58
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The fact that FF12 has a cast of all humans and a super-human bunny girl is the most lazy and boring part of the game.
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Jun 29, 2016 22:02
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honestly i'm not sure why the first conversation about the main characters in the design committee wasn't "how do we get one playable character from every race"
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Jun 29, 2016 23:17
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Counterpoint: nu mou are awful.
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Jun 29, 2016 23:20
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ImpAtom posted:The fact that FF12 has a cast of all humans and a super-human bunny girl is the most lazy and boring part of the game. Seriously. I wanted the bang'aa with the spinning blade on a stick to join my murder posse. And a moogle so I could give him a gun. Just because a moogle with a gun sounds Namnesor fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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Jun 29, 2016 23:20
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nu mou rule and i want to see one wielding a greatsword
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Jun 29, 2016 23:22
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Coughing Hobo posted:Seriously. I wanted the bang'aa with the spinning blade on a stick to join my murder posse. Yeah I remember the guns knocking penelo back, it would be funny to see that with a moogle
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Jun 29, 2016 23:25
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Coughing Hobo posted:Seriously. I wanted the bang'aa with the spinning blade on a stick to join my murder posse. nothing owned more in ffta than having a moogle gunner use the moogle knight skill, ultima charge literally kill everything from ridiculous ranges, with a skill that was meant to be used on a melee class
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Jun 29, 2016 23:26
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ninjewtsu posted:nu mou rule and i want to see one wielding a greatsword You;ll be waiting quite a while. (because they're slow)
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Jun 29, 2016 23:39
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I've in good authority that they are exceptional Time Mages.
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Jun 30, 2016 00:08
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It is dumb that XII, a game with a super varied and diverse world, your entire team consists of humans and one tall human with long ears.
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Jun 30, 2016 00:12
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there was lore in that vaan is super fuckin racist to justify that but they cut out
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Jun 30, 2016 00:18
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How are players supposed to not care about Vaan if he has a personality trait? Can't have that.
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Jun 30, 2016 00:29
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ninjewtsu posted:honestly i'm not sure why the first conversation about the main characters in the design committee wasn't "how do we get one playable character from every race" This is Final Fantasy, not Star Trek 
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Jun 30, 2016 00:32
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:This is Final Fantasy, not Star Trek i think you mean star wars
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Jun 30, 2016 00:37
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:This is Final Fantasy, not Star Trek It just seems like a shame to set a game in a world with so many interesting people and then not let you play as any of them. Honestly, you don't even need all of them; getting a Viera, Moogle and Bangaa would have been plenty. That plus 3 humans would have been just fine.
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Jun 30, 2016 00:40
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Balthier should've been a moogle. In fact I hope once 12 hits Steam someone mods Balthier to be a moogle. Don't even have to change anything else!
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Jun 30, 2016 00:43
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Linnaeus posted:Yeah I remember the guns knocking penelo back, it would be funny to see that with a moogle Penelo has no bad weapon animations. I never make her a mage in IZJS for two reasons: one, a high natural Magick stat is actually wasted on a mage in IZJS because your mystic armor/Magick Lore licenses will make up for a ton; but more importantly, because Penelo's weapon animations are all so drat good that not letting her physically attack is a shame. Calaveron posted:It is dumb that XII, a game with a super varied and diverse world, your entire team consists of humans and one tall human with long ears. I mean, I can understand why it's majority hume. Dalmasca's royal family is hume, so Ashe needs to be. Basch's twin brother is a Judge, and Archadia is racist and only humes can rise to that position, so Basch has to be hume. Balthier has to be hume for the same reason Basch does, but even more directly. Where the mistakes come in are Vaan and Penelo (in more ways than one). The only reason Vaan is hume is because marketing wanted a young male to serve as the "player" character for ~*~marketing reasons~*~. Penelo could've been a moogle or something, but then they wouldn't be able to make them a couple later. If Vaan and Penelo weren't in there for the reasons they are, those two slots should've been filled with a moogle and a bangaa probably. (Though they might've thought moogles are too "silly" for the takes-itself-quite-seriously plot, but moogles own and Mog had some great moments in FF6 so gently caress it).
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Jun 30, 2016 00:48
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Harrow posted:Penelo has no bad weapon animations. I never make her a mage in IZJS for two reasons: one, a high natural Magick stat is actually wasted on a mage in IZJS because your mystic armor/Magick Lore licenses will make up for a ton; but more importantly, because Penelo's weapon animations are all so drat good that not letting her physically attack is a shame. racist
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Jun 30, 2016 01:08
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Finally the FFVII remake we've all really been waiting for has been announced.  http://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-vii-gets-an-official-monopoly-board-1782809679 I will assume this is an unlicensed joke until I hear otherwise.
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corn in the bible posted:racist Human/moogle romance
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Jun 30, 2016 01:31
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Hm yes, a bunch of ecological terrorists are the perfect group to build a game of property ownership (and screwing everyone out of their cash) around.
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Jun 30, 2016 01:33
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Schwartzcough posted:Finally the FFVII remake we've all really been waiting for has been announced. When I first saw this mentioned I thought they'd just given the remake a dumb subtitle
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Jun 30, 2016 01:38
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gently caress that poo poo, where's Settlers of Midgar
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Jun 30, 2016 01:44
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Settlers of Ivalice, the FFTA version where you already get to place where all the locations are anyway
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Harrow posted:I mean, I can understand why it's majority hume. Dalmasca's royal family is hume, so Ashe needs to be. Basch's twin brother is a Judge, and Archadia is racist and only humes can rise to that position, so Basch has to be hume. Balthier has to be hume for the same reason Basch does, but even more directly. This is pretty much what I was going to say. Bangaa, moogle and viera are so iconic of the post-FFT Ivalice games, and it would have been cool to see a bangaa/moogle duo working together early on (especially since a few places establish that the two races often end up working together, especially on airships). It also would have been nice to get a bangaa that wasn't "scary growling lizard person" and a moogle with some kind of personality beyond being adorable.
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Indecisive posted:there was lore in that vaan is super fuckin racist to justify that but they cut out Then Vaan's got his fuckin priorities straight with that Viera tail. Non humes that aren't sexy bunny girls can just gently caress off the edge of my St. Ajora Cataclysmic sized theocracy ruled corruption riddled demon manipulated societal DICK.
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CeallaSo posted:This is pretty much what I was going to say. Bangaa, moogle and viera are so iconic of the post-FFT Ivalice games, and it would have been cool to see a bangaa/moogle duo working together early on (especially since a few places establish that the two races often end up working together, especially on airships). It also would have been nice to get a bangaa that wasn't "scary growling lizard person" and a moogle with some kind of personality beyond being adorable. Bangaa and moogle are definitely the races I wish could've been in the party. I'm conflicted because I came around on Vaan, though, and I can't really imagine FFXII without him now, and out of all the available races, hume is probably the best for the role he plays. Penelo, though, she could be replaced by a moogle or even a nu mou and fill basically the same role in the party. She wouldn't even really need a different personality. Then let Migelo (John DiMaggio as a bangaa) and that one bangaa with the weapon that Bloodborne borrowed for the Whirligig Saw be guest characters for a while. Hell, the bounty hunter dude joins in Revenant Wings so why not?
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Gologle posted:Then Vaan's got his fuckin priorities straight with that Viera tail. Non humes that aren't sexy bunny girls can just gently caress off the edge of my St. Ajora Cataclysmic sized theocracy ruled corruption riddled demon manipulated societal DICK. 
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Jun 30, 2016 04:01
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The fact that FFXII-2 wasn't Balthier and Al-Cid Margrace teaming up to go on swarthy adventures is a goddamn waste in my book.
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Barudak posted:The fact that FFXII-2 wasn't Balthier and Al-Cid Margrace teaming up to go on swarthy adventures is a goddamn waste in my book.  , but Final Fantasy X-2 and the Jecht/Braska/Auron bro'adtrip
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The world isn't ready to hear Balthier talk without an absurd amount of audio compression.
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