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I was under the impression the Sqaull's Dead Theory was based on the spooky Squall with the hole for a face.
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morallyobjected posted:Too bad there wasn't an almighty sorceress or something who was planning on interrogating him for information and might want him alive. Squall getting spiked, in dramatic "oh poo poo" slow motion, was the big cliffhanger climax ending to Act 1. It was an "oh my god, our hero just received a surely-fatal injury, in a cutscene! Convention-savvy game players know that cutscene injuries actually mean something and can't just be glossed over. How will he get out of this one?!" moment. And they follow it up with him going "Oh, I'm not dead? Huh", and never mentioning it again. That is way worse writing than "it's not the best plot ever". It reeks of "we were writing the plot as we went, and couldn't think of how to fix our own cliffhanger so we just pretended it never happened." If they want to break convention with cutscene injuries and say that the sorceress has the power to close a hole through his chest the size of a man's arm, a power which no sorceress is ever shown to have, they probably should have mentioned it in the game. But you're right- there are plenty of other things in the game to fixate on. Like why does Edea need to interrogate a SeeD to discover what their mission is, when: 1) Edea helped found the Garden institution and its sorceress-hunting initiative 2) Ultimicia is perfectly aware that SeeDs hunt sorceresses, since the reason she supposedly went evil in the first place is due to the hunting of sorceresses by SeeDs. Or how about, if Garden's entire purpose is to train Sorceress-hunters, why are none of the students even aware that Sorceress-hunting is sort of the point? Just... FFVIII makes my head hurt.
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Oct 24, 2014 18:42
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ImpAtom posted:The thing there is that I think that's a translation issue. IIRC that dialogue in the Japanese version is more like "My wound is gone? Who saved me?" as opposed to "How was it healed?"
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Oct 24, 2014 18:44
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Endorph posted:Yeah, FF8 has a better translation than FF7, but there are still some weird changes/mistranslations. They just aren't blatantly obvious like they are with FF7. See: whatever.
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Oct 24, 2014 18:45
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Okay Squall might not be dead but what about Rinoa=Ultimecia? 
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Oct 24, 2014 18:46
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Volt Catfish posted:Okay Squall might not be dead but what about Rinoa=Ultimecia? Didn't the ultimania officially confirm this is not the case? It is at least an interesting-ish idea and thematically fits with the game and if I were to redo the script because I assumedly have done something wrong enough to have to rewrite ffviii I would definitely make that part of the plot. And like 400% more hyne. Hyne is the best ff character.
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Oct 24, 2014 18:58
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Barudak posted:Didn't the ultimania officially confirm this is not the case? Yeah, the Ultimania gave her backstory and it's kinda boring and generic.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:02
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I wish someone would come up with some really stupid theories about XII and XIII-1 instead to make their stories more interesting. Those games need it way more than VIII.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:03
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Why would you post this? Why do you post anything? It made me laugh. Keep posting, Gogogle, haters better vacate.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:08
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here's my XII theory: Matsuno died halfway through and the guy who made loving magical chase wasn't up to the task of making a game out of the fragments of ideas he'd left behind
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Oct 24, 2014 19:08
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Krad posted:I wish someone would come up with some really stupid theories about XII and XIII-1 instead to make their stories more interesting. Those games need it way more than VIII. FFXII is actually Vaan's hallucination. He lives as a street kid, fighting rats and scrounging for food, and imagines that the people in power will totally someday see his worth. Each of the other characters represents an aspect of himself or of society he wishes the recognition of. (Balthier is the sky pirate, Basche the man who killed his brother, Ashe royalty, and so-on. Fran is the nonhuman creatures who are in the process of dying out and will be dead by FFT's time.) In actuality he is just retreating into a fantasy, just like those in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. However while it is a less literal fantasy, he fell to it and was lost. That is why he shows up in FFTA2 as a 'sky pirate.')
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Oct 24, 2014 19:09
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ImpAtom posted:Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. Marche is an anti-hero killing an entire planet of sentient beings, where Ritz has her natural hair colouration, Mewt has a mother and Doned isn't paralysed for his own selfish desire to return to a world where nothing good is happening is actually canon and not at all a bizarre fan theory though, let's make that clear right away. e: 
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Oct 24, 2014 19:16
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Krad posted:I wish someone would come up with some really stupid theories about XII and XIII-1 instead to make their stories more interesting. Those games need it way more than VIII. FFXIII is actually a test designed by the a nefarious shadow group to determine if they can replicate events enough to build a simulated environment to produce the ultimate jrpg protagonist. FFXIII-2 is about what happens to the SSS (Solid Squall System) after its mission is complete and FFXIII-3 is about Lightning fulfilling the role she was engineered to play and finally defeat the M.O.O.G.L.E.S. Control over existence. Also, France.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:24
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Schwartzcough posted:Squall getting spiked, in dramatic "oh poo poo" slow motion, was the big cliffhanger climax ending to Act 1. It was an "oh my god, our hero just received a surely-fatal injury, in a cutscene! Convention-savvy game players know that cutscene injuries actually mean something and can't just be glossed over. How will he get out of this one?!" moment. And they follow it up with him going "Oh, I'm not dead? Huh", and never mentioning it again. That is way worse writing than "it's not the best plot ever". It reeks of "we were writing the plot as we went, and couldn't think of how to fix our own cliffhanger so we just pretended it never happened." If they want to break convention with cutscene injuries and say that the sorceress has the power to close a hole through his chest the size of a man's arm, a power which no sorceress is ever shown to have, they probably should have mentioned it in the game. Lets just not even talk about the ending. Volt Catfish posted:Okay Squall might not be dead but what about Rinoa=Ultimecia? I think the squall is dead story is lame but the Rinoa = Ultimecia time/travel story actually adds some depth and makes some sense out of VIII, so I actually like it. I don't pretend that's the canon story though because its clearly not. ImpAtom posted:FFXII is actually Vaan's hallucination. He lives as a street kid, fighting rats and scrounging for food, and imagines that the people in power will totally someday see his worth. Each of the other characters represents an aspect of himself or of society he wishes the recognition of. (Balthier is the sky pirate, Basche the man who killed his brother, Ashe royalty, and so-on. Fran is the nonhuman creatures who are in the process of dying out and will be dead by FFT's time.) In actuality he is just retreating into a fantasy, just like those in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. However while it is a less literal fantasy, he fell to it and was lost. That is why he shows up in FFTA2 as a 'sky pirate.') So its Adventure Time? 
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Oct 24, 2014 19:28
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FF13 is the dying dream of Hope's mom, Nora, hoping for her son to grow into a good man. Snow's group is named after her because, while simultaneously protecting Hope, she is afraid Hope will hate her for "leaving" him, and feels responsible for it.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:36
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I took the whole Squall's Dead thing as the passive need for everyone to have everything be some kinda crazy MGS2-esque postmodern acid trip. Because why not.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:39
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This is perfect. Marche is the best main character in the worst game of the series. TARDISman posted:I took the whole Squall's Dead thing as the passive need for everyone to have everything be some kinda crazy MGS2-esque postmodern acid trip. Because why not. Chrono Cross did it first and no one gave it any credit for it. 
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Oct 24, 2014 19:49
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Chrono Cross felt like Masato Kato spent too much time hanging out with the Xenogears Development Team. Which is to say, I loved CC completely. So maybe he spent just enough time there.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:59
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The problem with the Squall Is Dead theory, and in fact all fan theories, is that if they had actually intended for that to be true, they would have at some point made it explicitly true. It's not a crazy twist if they don't actually reveal the twist.
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Oct 24, 2014 20:04
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NikkolasKing posted:Chrono Cross felt like Masato Kato spent too much time hanging out with the Xenogears Development Team. CC's bizarre dog's breakfast plotline and uninspiring characters was more than compensated for by the absolutely gorgeous aesthetic presentation. I have yet to find a game with a setting as gorgeous as El Nido.
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Oct 24, 2014 20:11
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Vermain posted:CC's bizarre dog's breakfast plotline and uninspiring characters was more than compensated for by the absolutely gorgeous aesthetic presentation. I have yet to find a game with a setting as gorgeous as El Nido. CC is easily one of the prettiest settings in the Playstation era. That plus its great musical score is enough to make it a wonderful game in its own right.
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Oct 24, 2014 20:15
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Butt Ghost posted:I was under the impression the Sqaull's Dead Theory was based on the spooky Squall with the hole for a face. I was convinced when they were showing clips of him getting impaled in the ending. I think it's a decent theory.
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Oct 24, 2014 21:32
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Madmarker posted:CC is easily one of the prettiest settings in the Playstation era. That plus its great musical score is enough to make it a wonderful game in its own right. If you've played Chrono Trigger, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to not get goosebumps when a leit-motif from Trigger weaves its way into the track currently playing in Cross. It's sensational.
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Oct 24, 2014 21:35
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I prefer the "Rinoa is dead" and "Squall is Ultimecia" theories myself.
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Oct 24, 2014 21:50
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Mega64 posted:I prefer the "Rinoa is dead" and "Squall is Ultimecia" theories myself. Squall is Ultimecia makes so much sense, you don't even know. Ultimecia talks about being persecuted, Squall viewed the world as hostile and everyone was persecuting him and he just wanted to be with Ellone and later, Rinoa. He's junctioned so much magic and GFs that he is basically Hyne, the creator of the sorceress myth, who passes all that power onto Sorceresses during Time Compression. Speaking of Time Compression, he aims to live in the moments that made him happiest for all eternity; being with Ellone and being with Rinoa. Finally, he has Griever as a GF because he created Griever in the first place, it couldn't have come from anyone else but him. See, crackpot theories that make more sense than the plot of FF VIII are easy to make!
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Oct 24, 2014 22:59
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For ages I thought I just didn't understand what was going on in FF VIII, it's good to know that it really doesn't make any sense and it wasn't just me.
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Oct 24, 2014 23:07
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Squall is Ultimecia makes so much sense, you don't even know.   Ultimecia has no face. Squall has no face. Coincidence!? I think not!  Theory validated!
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Oct 24, 2014 23:25
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Pesky Splinter posted:
I never even considered that. That's my explanation for Ultimecia now.
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Oct 24, 2014 23:43
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Oct 24, 2014 23:44
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Welcome to Balamb Garden home of the world famous Zell-Dog, may I take your order?
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Oct 24, 2014 23:46
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Now photoshop the FF15 cast driving past this.
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Oct 24, 2014 23:49
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Oct 24, 2014 23:52
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thank you
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Oct 24, 2014 23:52
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Barudak posted:Welcome to Balamb Garden home of the world famous Zell-Dog, may I take your order? Holy poo poo! 
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Oct 24, 2014 23:53
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Being Squall Malkovich.
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Oct 24, 2014 23:59
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This is magic.
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A+
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Oct 25, 2014 00:06
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Boy I was so hooked on FFVIII when it first came out. I played the poo poo out of that game. I still can't believe all the monsters came from the moon. Why can't there just be monsters.
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Oct 25, 2014 03:19
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Waroduce posted:Is it true Squall dies after the assault on the Edna (whoever the female big bad is) near the beginning of the game? I read somewhere, or a goon told me, the rest of the game has too much go right for him I thought this was the Pokemon theory, where everything is an illusion created in the mind of a comatose Ash/Red/Blue. Varance fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Oct 25, 2014 |
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Varance posted:I thought this was the Pokemon theory, where everything is an illusion created in the mind of a comatose Ash/Red/Blue.
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