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I've been thinking of ridiculous records to attain, and first person born on Everest is probably going to be hard to top.
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K2 is seriously an intimidating mountain. As dangerous as Annapurna is, there have been summit ascents in the winter months. K2 has never been attempted in the winter, only two people have climbed one of the south ascents, and only 300 people total have attained the summit, with 53 dying in the process. I guess there's a reason they call it the Savage Mountain.
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| # ? May 24, 2012 22:34 |
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co199 posted:K2 is seriously an intimidating mountain. As dangerous as Annapurna is, there have been summit ascents in the winter months. K2 has never been attempted in the winter, only two people have climbed one of the south ascents, and only 300 people total have attained the summit, with 53 dying in the process. And the reason to why no novice ever tries to climb it, is simply because it's 'just' the second highest in the world, not because it's suicide.  E: To quit my slight derail: the fatality rate on Mount Everest was 2% up until 2006 and dropped below that afterwards. http://www.explorersweb.com/everest...ws.php?id=20865 MonkeeKong fucked around with this message at May 24, 2012 around 22:52 |
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I thought this in the old thread and think like this still: gently caress the everest, I live on the fourth floor of my building and that poo poo sucks on my way back home.
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MonkeeKong posted:And the reason to why no novice ever tries to climb it, is simply because it's 'just' the second highest in the world (despite being a lot more prominent than Mount Everest). Other 8000'ers in Nepal like Lhotse and Cho Oyu get climbed quite a bit by guided parties because they are gentler and a lot more accessible, even if it's just to get experience for Everest. Part of the reason K2 (and the Gasherbrums) get climbed a lot less is because surrounding a remote Kashmiri glacier they are in one of the least accessible and least pleasant parts of the world. I can't imagine how bad it would be in winter but even in summer K2 is a hell of constant avalanches.
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Slave posted:Other 8000'ers in Nepal like Lhotse and Cho Oyu get climbed quite a bit by guided parties because they are gentler and a lot more accessible, even if it's just to get experience for Everest. Part of the reason K2 (and the Gasherbrums) get climbed a lot less is because surrounding a remote Kashmiri glacier they are in one of the least accessible and least pleasant parts of the world. I can't imagine how bad it would be in winter but even in summer K2 is a hell of constant avalanches. True that. Just checked and three of the Pakistani eightthousanders have not been ascended during winter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-thousander
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Slave posted:I can't imagine how bad it would be in winter but even in summer K2 is a hell of constant avalanches. Wouldn't the avalanches be worse during the summer? My understanding, which could be very wrong, is that the most dangerous avalanche time is early spring when the weather starts to warm-up just a little bit.
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Goosed it. posted:Wouldn't the avalanches be worse during the summer? My understanding, which could be very wrong, is that the most dangerous avalanche time is early spring when the weather starts to warm-up just a little bit. Yeah good point, I guess the main problem would be the endless days stuck in the tent cowering from the storms.
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| # ? May 24, 2012 23:09 |
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I would never want to climb these killer peaks, but the scenery around them is incredible beyond words; if I ever had the money to go trekking through those environments, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Screw the summits. I've always been fascinated by the early expeditions to map and climb them, though, before they became expensive checkmarks on bucket lists. This thread prompted me to check out information on the non-Everest eightthousanders. Fosco Maraini's comment on the name of K2 is  as gently caress:"...just the bare bones of a name, all rock and ice and storm and abyss. It makes no attempt to sound human. It is atoms and stars. It has the nakedness of the world before the first man – or of the cindered planet after the last."
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| # ? May 24, 2012 23:56 |
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co199 posted:K2 is seriously an intimidating mountain. As dangerous as Annapurna is, there have been summit ascents in the winter months. K2 has never been attempted in the winter, only two people have climbed one of the south ascents, and only 300 people total have attained the summit, with 53 dying in the process. K2 is my favorite mountain because listen to this: Fosco Maraini posted:... just the bare bones of a name, all rock and ice and storm and abyss. It makes no attempt to sound human. It is atoms and stars. It has the nakedness of the world before the first man – or of the cindered planet after the last. Everest by contrast is just named after the guy who surveyed it. edit: drat you time cowboy!!!!!! at least my post as quote tags Mr. Sharps fucked around with this message at May 25, 2012 around 00:05 |
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Its odd what a little experience in climbing will do for you in regards to Everest and K2. When I was a kid (9-10) I wanted to climb Everest. When I was 20-23, I wanted to climb K2 because while Everest was higher, K2 was called "the most dangerous climb". At 32, gently caress that. I had enough near misses on the Appalachians and Rockies. My rear end will stick to the climbing gym's bouldering cave. Which is what 3/4s of the people who attempt Everest should do.
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I wish people would go back to Alpinism. I wouldn't mind a bunch of moustached gentry trying to summit The Matterhorn. The Swiss Alps are beautiful, and apparently a lot less deadly if people were climbing them in the 1860's. At least the tourists could climb a 3000m mountain and eat a lot of chocolate instead of freezing to death in Nepal.
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alg posted:Its rather telling that the kid who saved another kid, going for youngest Israeli to climb it, wanted to be the highest rescue ever. Gotta have something to brag to your rich friends about. I'm not going to defend most Everest climbers because I think the mindset a lot of them seem to have is ridiculous, but I read that bit of the article in a slightly different way. The Israeli kid was obviously disappointed that he didn't summit, but who wouldn't be? I thought he was kind of half-joking. I know I've made comments like that. Hell, not too long ago my girlfriend and I got into slight trouble while trying to climb a (much smaller) mountain and finally made our way out after like 17 hours, and we were talking about how while we may not have made the summit, we probably held the record for the slowest unsuccessful attempt, as well as slowest walk from the car to the bar for after-climb drinks. I'm sure the Israeli kid probably had some hope that he could actually get a record, but I think some of that is just post-unsuccessful attempt joking. Statler posted:Its odd what a little experience in climbing will do for you in regards to Everest and K2. When I was a kid (9-10) I wanted to climb Everest. When I was 20-23, I wanted to climb K2 because while Everest was higher, K2 was called "the most dangerous climb". I'm still climbing outside of the gym, but my attitudes have been similar. I used to be all into climbing the biggest and the most difficult mountains. Now I'm happy to just go out. I want to climb a few more 14ers, but that's about as high as I'm interested in going.
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edit: I had linked a K2 documentary, I'm not sure on the legitimacy of the link so I'm removing it. Not a sports fan, not familiar with what's actual network sports sites and which are not. Sorry!
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Omnicarus posted:One pair of goggles is a big mistake. Two is recommended, one shaded and one clear since you have to leave at night(use clear goggles) and then during the day switch to shaded so the sun doesn't burn your eyes when you summit. Also if you lose your goggles anywhere in the dead zone and you don't have a backup pair, your chances of survival are really slim since you get snow blindness within 10 minutes. Where exactly is her equipment list located? Tried a google search and her facebook, quite curious to see it.
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mr. nazi posted:edit: I had linked a K2 documentary, I'm not sure on the legitimacy of the link so I'm removing it. Not a sports fan, not familiar with what's actual network sports sites and which are not. Sorry! generally speaking any tube type site is not considered files unless its like 0-DAY RAPIDSHARES 9.99/mo
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girlwithgloves posted:Where exactly is her equipment list located? Tried a google search and her facebook, quite curious to see it. If you scroll down on this page you can see her equipment list on the left-hand side. http://myeverestexpedition.com/mission.php
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drkhrs2020 posted:Shirya's website makes it look like something you'd expect for a 5k or a charity marathon. Looking at this site is absolutely eerie, especially that picture with her on the summit and the last update. drat.
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Goosed it. posted:If you scroll down on this page you can see her equipment list on the left-hand side. Here's a slightly more in depth list. http://myeverestexpedition.com/sponsors.php I guess what is so striking to me about it is that she doesn't mention any brands, any preferences, or anything like that. Every climber I know never shuts the gently caress up about equipment but her list seems to be comprised of the #1 Most Bought Item on Amazon from a list of equipment she found online.
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Are there latrines on the mountain? I'm just wondering because people have mentioned that the mountain is littered with garbage, which raises some uncomfortable questions about the sanitation of the camps. I'd hate to survive the summit and get cholera or something because there's a cesspit beside my tent.
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Vintimus Prime posted:Looking at this site is absolutely eerie, especially that picture with her on the summit and the last update. drat. Yeah,I feel bad looking at it, ghoulish even. She seems like a smart,caring person who made a really sad mistake of attempting something she was really unprepared for.
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Frosted Flake posted:Are there latrines on the mountain? I'm just wondering because people have mentioned that the mountain is littered with garbage, which raises some uncomfortable questions about the sanitation of the camps. I'd hate to survive the summit and get cholera or something because there's a cesspit beside my tent. Jon Krakauer talks about this in his book. He says that the sanitation is "third world" and climbers would get the runs very often. So I don't know if they are making poopy regularly in their pants while they climb but I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case.
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Modus Operandi posted:Jon Krakauer talks about this in his book. He says that the sanitation is "third world" and climbers would get the runs very often. So I don't know if they are making poopy regularly in their pants while they climb but I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case. Oh gently caress me, if I had any desire to climb Everest, it just left me. Right now.
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Frosted Flake posted:Are there latrines on the mountain? I'm just wondering because people have mentioned that the mountain is littered with garbage, which raises some uncomfortable questions about the sanitation of the camps. I'd hate to survive the summit and get cholera or something because there's a cesspit beside my tent. This is actually a big concern right now. For a long time what has been done is that they dig a latrine pit, line it with plastic, everyone goes until it is relatively full, then it freezes and it gets carried/slid down the mountain in a few big blocks or in drums and chunked/emptied into the crevasses at the Gorak Step. Unfortunately it's becoming increasingly problematic that that is contaminating the water supplies at the lower elevations and the Nepal government is trying to find a solution.
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Omnicarus posted:This is actually a big concern right now. For a long time what has been done is that they dig a latrine pit, line it with plastic, everyone goes until it is relatively full, then it freezes and it gets carried/slid down the mountain in a few big blocks or in drums and chunked/emptied into the crevasses at the Gorak Step. Unfortunately it's becoming increasingly problematic that that is contaminating the water supplies at the lower elevations and the Nepal government is trying to find a solution. Talk about getting poo poo on by first world tourism.
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The Entire Universe posted:Talk about getting poo poo on by first world tourism. I guess poo poo does roll downhill.
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PT6A posted:Oh gently caress me, if I had any desire to climb Everest, it just left me. Right now. Indeed. I do summits in the Canadian Rockies (although it's "only" scrambling, not true alpine mountaineering) and between crowds, garbage, dead bodies, and literal poo poo littered everywhere, I have no desire to climb Everest. gently caress that. The thing I like about peaks here is that they're pretty clean and deserted. The most people I encountered on a mountain was maybe 50, and they were scattered sporadically on the route throughout the day. It's not unreasonable for my party of two to four to be completely alone on an mountain. There's no garbage, no corpses, no frozen poop, and no crowds. It's lovely.
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Vintimus Prime posted:Looking at this site is absolutely eerie, especially that picture with her on the summit and the last update. drat. What's worse is the 'Comments' section. Jesus Christ that was a bad trip to scroll through.
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Modus Operandi posted:Jon Krakauer talks about this in his book. He says that the sanitation is "third world" and climbers would get the runs very often. So I don't know if they are making poopy regularly in their pants while they climb but I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case. So on top of that list posted earlier about getting the slab of beef off of the roof and down the ladder 200 times while drunk and breathing through a straw, you can add in having the runs as well. I saw a very brief news item about Mallory a couple of years ago that I found very interesting, there's a link here - Mallory and Irvine's Death Explained. Professor Kent Moore posted:"We analysed the barometric pressure measurements and found out that during the Mallory and Irvine summit attempt, there was a drop in barometric pressure at base camp of approximately 18mbar. Dr John Semple posted:Mount Everest is so high that there is barely enough oxygen near its summit to sustain life and a drop of pressure of 4 mbar at the summit is sufficient to drive individuals into a hypoxic state. That's loving crazy, 4 times the drop that would cause altitude sickness, and in the old gear/clothing that they would have been using. It's suggested that it happened while they were still on their way to the summit and that they never made it, though of course nobody will ever really know for sure. What I find ever more surprising is that the meteorological measurements that the expedition took weren't examined for close to 90 years. They weren't missing or hidden away, they were sitting right there in the Royal Geographical Society library and nobody actually stopped to examine them and see if there was anything that might solve the mystery of what the hell happened to them.
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Acquire Currency! posted:What's worse is the 'Comments' section. Jesus Christ that was a bad trip to scroll through. BARACK OBAMA posted:"YOU KNEW THE RISKS. DIE FOR WHAT......" TED DE BEAUDRAP posted:"My heartfelt condolences in your loss. I do wonder how much research was done, however, as there is information readily available that identifies ten Canadian women who have successfully summitted Everest prior to the 2012 climbing season. However, there are only three that have completed the Seven Summits challenge. Was she attempting to be the fourth Canadian woman to complete the seven summits? Or the fourth to summit Everest, which happened years ago?" She was going to be the first SOUTH ASIAN CANADIAN woman to summit, god drat, it's different! I find it amusing that there has to be some sort of 'first' attached to every attempt. Mine'd be something stupid like 'the first UK woman over 5 foot 11 who wears glasses and a scar on her top lip who owns a black and white cat to summit Everest' I feel a bit bad about mocking her but this repeated use of the same picture (edit-photoshopped badly) of her on the website is worth pointing out. Not a single one of her actually, you know, training. 
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None of those pictures are even real. They are her photoshopped onto various stock images 
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Omnicarus posted:None of those pictures are even real. They are her photoshopped onto various stock images I particularly like how her feet are erased to make it look like she is standing in the snow. Sheesh.....
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5% of proceeds to charity. Like if I just said "hey my dream is to sit on a beach for a year. Donate to help me reach my dream. 5% of proceeds go to charity!" What a joke.
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She was wearing yellow, right? I'm trying to figure out which one she is in the summit photo, and if she's the one in yellow, she doesn't look so good. Neither does the summit, since their crap is strewn everywhere. EDIT: Wait, she might be the one in red. If so, umm..... how's yellow doing?  I think that's the thing that irks me about some of the comments. I'm not a climber or an athlete of any kind so I don't know from experience, but all the books I read during last summer's Everest thread were pretty clear about summiting being such a miserable experience that the climber can't enjoy it at all. With that in mind, all the comments of "you followed your dream" and "at least she died accomplishing her dream" sound, quite frankly, stupid, considering that by the time she summited, she was most likely halfway to being a corpse already and incapable of feeling any joy over it.
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Taliaquin posted:I think that's the thing that irks me about some of the comments. I'm not a climber or an athlete of any kind so I don't know from experience, but all the books I read during last summer's Everest thread were pretty clear about summiting being such a miserable experience that the climber can't enjoy it at all. With that in mind, all the comments of "you followed your dream" and "at least she died accomplishing her dream" sound, quite frankly, stupid, considering that by the time she summited, she was most likely halfway to being a corpse already and incapable of feeling any joy over it. Not that it is really comparable, but I run marathons and I hate it during the runs and I'm usually misserable right after the finish. Even the training before the events is often a chore. However shortly after everything is done, I'm really happy that I did it and want to do the next one and best my time by a few minutes.
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Taliaquin posted:She was wearing yellow, right? I'm trying to figure out which one she is in the summit photo, and if she's the one in yellow, she doesn't look so good. Neither does the summit, since their crap is strewn everywhere. I'd guess yellow guy is a sherpa, just another day at the office for him.
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Taliaquin posted:She was wearing yellow, right? I'm trying to figure out which one she is in the summit photo, and if she's the one in yellow, she doesn't look so good. Neither does the summit, since their crap is strewn everywhere. Yea, she's the one in the red. Re-reading the OP, her sherpas were trying to get her to turn around.
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Rondette posted:I particularly like how her feet are erased to make it look like she is standing in the snow. Sheesh..... What should have tipped us off is the fact that her bare hands and face are exposed. Which would be pretty bad news that high up.
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Pilsner posted:I can't imagine how awful it must be being in that 300-line long queue. I'd feel like a tourist on a guided tour, being stuck in lines all the time and having to rely on the pace of others. I wouldn't want to suffer through that in the best weather, even if they paid me. jackpot fucked around with this message at May 25, 2012 around 14:12 |
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Rondette posted:I feel a bit bad about mocking her but this repeated use of the same picture (edit-photoshopped badly) of her on the website is worth pointing out. Not a single one of her actually, you know, training. Ghosts aren't supposed to have shadows, what's the issue here?
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