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Sparta posted:But wait, what's this? Ulster, my revolting state, called in the King of England and the King of Scotland. What in the poo poo? An enormous stack of 3800 landing on my shores? WHYYYY. I had 250 gold, so I hired two merc groups, who were promptly destroyed when another stack of 3000 troops landed on my shores. If it's a one-province count, you're better off using the mercs to assault his holdings quickly (since you don't have to worry about it depleting your own manpower), because if you take all his holdings he'll be at 100% warscore and will submit to your demands, despite his allies. It's usually pretty easy to avoid doomstacks because they'll tend to stop and siege your holdings rather than pursue your army.
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Is there a way to save my rear end if when my sultan dies every single one of my 15ish emirs has at least -50 relations with the heir, and at least 30% revolt risk?  I'm thinking bribe those I can get my relations to near zero, save the rest of my money (I've got shitloads) for mercenaries, and hope the civil war will be led by some lovely one province count that I can occupy quickly?
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| # ? May 29, 2012 16:12 |
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You're pretty much hosed. Hope he gets murdered and they like your heir more.
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Kainser posted:Guess I'll crosspost this since we have two threads nowadays Excellent. Nice to see that the Muslims-for-first-expansion thing wasn't just hot air!
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Decided to start as the Duke of Gwynedd (custom ruler, though) and try and unify the British Isles under a Welsh flag. Naturally, I wasn't threatened from the east because, though the Normans won the Invasion, England promptly decided it would be fun to run through seven civil wars back to back (a Saxon is back on the throne, by the way). Well, I had decided to start with two sons and be rather young, and the Duke of Deheubarth had only one son. Well, that son had an accident, and the game promptly selected a young woman courtier as his new heir. I immediately engaged my eldest son to her, hoping they'd pop out a son and I'd unify the two Welsh duchies peacefully. No such luck on the first two children- both daughters. Then, a few years later, when I'm pressing a fabricated claim on one of the two independent counties that made up the de jure Duchy of Deheubarth, I got a message that my son and heir had died, but he left a son as his heir. Pleased that my scheme seems to be paying off very well (I'd switch to Primogeniture, therefore my grandson was my new heir and SHOULD have been the heir to Deheubarth as well), I immediately scoped out my grandson. He had only one trait. "Legitimized Bastard." 
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So I'm a little lost. I've been starting out as Dublin like people have suggested. Generally I set up my heir with a wife, send my steward to collect taxes, my marshal to train troops, my spymaster and chancellor to build a spy network and fabricate claims in the county northwest of me, and set my chaplain to research. And then I just sit wait forever. So a couple of questions: 1) Is there something I should be doing? Maybe I'm used to games like Civ and Total War where you always have something to do, but it seems like after the initial burst of activity, I'm twiddling my thumbs and waiting for events. Is this just a side-effect of having one province and things will get more interesting once I inherit Leinster and start forming duchies? 2) How do I get money? Right now I'm getting a little less than 1 gold a month, meaning it'll be ages before I have enough to form duchies and get de jure claims. 3) Is marrying my sons to courtiers a huge deal? I saw it mentioned earlier that you should marry your sons with good-statted wives, but the best marriages I can get are with courtiers and that loses him prestige. I suspect most of these can be answered by "Get out of the Civ mindset" but it'd be nice to have that confirmed.
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For a very Meta* amusement, go watch https://twitter.com/#!/robbaratheon play the Game of Thrones CK2 mod and tweet about how frustrating it is. He's playing not as Robert, but as the Boltons, to make things extra confusing. *He's a guy, unaffiliated with HBO, GRRM, etc who tweets as King Robert. Occasionally quite funny. There's a whole community out there of ASoIaF/AGOT fans who tweet as their characters.
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1stGear posted:1) Is there something I should be doing? Maybe I'm used to games like Civ and Total War where you always have something to do, but it seems like after the initial burst of activity, I'm twiddling my thumbs and waiting for events. Is this just a side-effect of having one province and things will get more interesting once I inherit Leinster and start forming duchies? Side effect of having one lovely province pretty much. quote:2) How do I get money? Right now I'm getting a little less than 1 gold a month, meaning it'll be ages before I have enough to form duchies and get de jure claims. Bigger demense. quote:3) Is marrying my sons to courtiers a huge deal? I saw it mentioned earlier that you should marry your sons with good-statted wives, but the best marriages I can get are with courtiers and that loses him prestige. It costs prestiege, but do you care about that? quote:I suspect most of these can be answered by "Get out of the Civ mindset" but it'd be nice to have that confirmed. You can also increase speed.
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Update on Irish Dynasty: So, after my main dude died, I got his 75 year old brother in for a second, who then promptly died leaving the kingdom to his nephew, a 23 year old member of the family, and the next oldest after the 75 year old. Neat. I end up using him to conquer *all* of Ireland, going one-by-one on the remaining states. Rebellions occur frequently, but I have most of the areas under my control or under the control of my sons/brothers. I can currently field about 5k soldiers, with a possibility of up to 7k. Under the new King, I amassed over 2k prestige, over 1k piety, enough gold to build 2 universities and every first-level economic building. He died at 60 -- he was Saxon, but nevertheless part of the dynasty. The next oldest, alive member of the family was his son, only around 30 years old. He had been married off to some Duchess, and was English by breed. When he took power, he came along with a couple holdings in SE england and a du jure claim on Kent. He had a fair bit of Prestige (600) and Piety, so I was able to use the 800 gold accumulated to throw a tourney. He managed to do the impossible: win both first and second in the melee, garnering around 450 prestige and 200 gold. Hahah. Some other dude got third, and everyone went home happy. Rebellions are occuring with less frequency, and I'm aiming to take out Wales in preparation for a war on England.
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1stGear posted:1) Is there something I should be doing? Maybe I'm used to games like Civ and Total War where you always have something to do, but it seems like after the initial burst of activity, I'm twiddling my thumbs and waiting for events. Is this just a side-effect of having one province and things will get more interesting once I inherit Leinster and start forming duchies? 1) It's a lot more open ended than Civ or Total War in that to a great extent your goals are what you set. Your immediate goals should be to climb the feudal ladder until you get the highest title you can, but it can be quite fun just to sit back and watch the computer play out its plots. 2) It adds up. The game covers about 400 years so sitting about for a few years to get cash isn't too big an issue. Its also worth developing your holdings by building the income buildings which make a big difference despite being fairly expensive. Also you can give your steward a collect taxes mission which can increase your income quite markedly if you only have one province. 3) If you can't get them better matches go for the courtiers with big stats. The prestige loss isn't big deal unless you're specifically saving prestige for some reason.
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 The only game that lasted this far was Navarra, which was in Spain obv, so I wouldn't know... but is there any way to come out on top? Would an assassination work? I'm actually allied with the Il-Khanate but I could only get 18k troops together, which was just enough to take down one of their three huge stacks.
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Cityinthesea posted:
WTF Cumans, that never happens
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Cityinthesea posted:
Assassinate, hire every mercenary possible, assault border provinces, assassinate, repeat.
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Cityinthesea posted:
With the money you have, you should be able to hire a ton of mercenaries.
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| # ? May 29, 2012 20:06 |
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Is there a strategy to getting good councilers? I don't know if there's something better than hitting the invite person to court button over and over like a slot machine. It seems like unemployed councilors from other places will never accept my invitations.
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Fortuitous Bumble posted:Is there a strategy to getting good councilers? I don't know if there's something better than hitting the invite person to court button over and over like a slot machine. It seems like unemployed councilors from other places will never accept my invitations. I just go with whatever vassal of mine has the highest stat for their respective field. But never, ever hire a duke to be your spymaster. Always go with someone landless or, if no one else may serve, a count.
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Kainser posted:e2; and is that dynamic renaming of the caliphate after your dynasty name? So... if Wiz used the dynasty creator to name his the Wiz dynasty, and then he controlled the Caliphate... would... would that make him the Wiz Khalifah?
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| # ? May 29, 2012 20:31 |
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Can anyone help me with this? I seem to be completely incapable of getting the GoT mod working and I have no idea why. It's in the right folder  The box is checked  And then when I start the game, nothing has changed   I've deleted all the game files and the mod and completely redownloaded everything and nothing seems to help. I just can't figure out what the gently caress I'm doing wrong. It's driving me nuts.
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Good Citizen posted:Can anyone help me with this? I seem to be completely incapable of getting the GoT mod working and I have no idea why. You sure it's the latest version? I think 1.05g somehow broke the mod (it fixed ONE! THING! paradox), but the version I downloaded earlier today worked perfectly.Other than that, I got nothing.
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Sky Shadowing posted:You sure it's the latest version? I think 1.05g somehow broke the mod (it fixed ONE! THING! I redownloaded it just before taking those screenshots from the link here: http://citadel.prophpbb.com/topic520.html It doesn't seem like that one's been updated since the 26th, though. Where did you find a new version?
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Good Citizen posted:Can anyone help me with this? I seem to be completely incapable of getting the GoT mod working and I have no idea why.
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Kainser posted:Just checking here to be sure, did you put your files in the documents folder instead of the game folder? It's in: C:\Users\username\Documents\Paradox Interactive\Crusader Kings II\mod That's the only folder that came up when I searched my computer for 'Paradox'
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Yeah, that's the issue then. Mods go in whatever\steamapps\common\crusader kings ii\mod
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TheLoser posted:But never, ever hire a duke to be your spymaster. Always go with someone landless or, if no one else may serve, a count. Why not? I'm fairly certain I've had my Duke Spymaster report himself for plotting. I don't really pay much attention to the intrigue section unless someone is plotting against me or my heirs/wife. While we're on plots, I noticed someone else earlier complain about their own marshall randomly murdering their daughter. I have had two occasions where my own steward murdered my 11 year old daughter and later on my wife - all apparently for no reason. I also didn't get a justified arrest and our opinions of each other stayed the same. Is it a bug? It sounds like an AI bug to me.
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I think it's because Dukes can plot to have you overthrown or generally gently caress with your realm but Counts and lower can't. And being your spymaster gives him a lot of plot power.
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Kainser posted:Yeah, that's the issue then. Mods go in whatever\steamapps\common\crusader kings ii\mod Nevermind, found it And now everything is working. Thanks! Threw me off that it would show up in the mod list and let you select it when it was in the wrong folder. Good Citizen fucked around with this message at May 29, 2012 around 21:07 |
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Maybe this is due to me being new to the game, but I'd really like it if the decisions that you make on a regular basis had their own sets of events tied to them. If I arrange a marriage or wage a war I want to see the personality of the character I'm interacting with come through right then, not in the form of a stock confirmation but as a small event that sets the scene. Obviously that would mean a lot more work for Paradox and you'd run the risk of repeating content, but as it is I tend to zone out and focus a little too much on the mechanics. When an event pops up it's a nice reminder that I'm playing as a person.
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| # ? May 29, 2012 21:30 |
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Where did the idea to put mods in your Documents folder come from? Because that was one hell of a good troll.
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| # ? May 29, 2012 21:48 |
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Bought CK2 from Gamersgate(because that's where I get all my paradox games) and the downloaded corrupted one file for the installer. Oh well, just to retry it. Anyway, gonna jump directly into the Game of Thrones mod. Does it work with the most recent version or do I need to either work with some things to make it work or wait until they update it for the latest CK2 version?
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Is it just me or is there seldom a particular value in Prestige? Or am I just not using it right? I'm on my first real game as the Duke of Lancaster, absorbing Welsh lands while England proper periodically implodes and I just side with whoever seems likely to win. Right now that means a Saxon King. It brings me some measure of joy to see William the Bastards successor ousted.
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My character's wife has had 2 children about 1 year apart since I left for war 3 years ago. I'm starting to think there may be something suspicious going on 
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So how is the GOT mod? I am really split... I can't decide if I want to play it now, or wait for it to be more finished.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Is it just me or is there seldom a particular value in Prestige? Or am I just not using it right? I'm on my first real game as the Duke of Lancaster, absorbing Welsh lands while England proper periodically implodes and I just side with whoever seems likely to win. You need it to do certain things like declare war, having lots of it makes people like you more, and it makes up the lion's share of the game's scoring mechanism.
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:You need it to do certain things like declare war, having lots of it makes people like you more, and it makes up the lion's share of the game's scoring mechanism. Yeah prestige seems useless until you get into a situation where you have negative prestige or something, at which point various routine actions that spend small amounts of prestige end up closed off to you, which is really annoying.
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Wiz posted:Generally I find it's not worth building castles to hold since it takes up a demesne slot for just a castle instead of a castle + city/temple vassals. If I am playing Catholic, I build cities in my demesne and castles in my vassals' demesnes (since you get the same amount of levies from a baron under them as you do from a baron under yourself), and any other religion I build a mix of Temples and Cities in my demesne, although Temples are a lot better in CK2+ than vanilla so if you're playing vanilla building them probably isn't worth it period. I always try to get 1 province with as many castles as I can fit in it that I hold on to the baronies for. With a chancellor and marshal in a province that you hold three castles in, you get a pretty huge bonus to income and personal levy size. I haven't sperged enough about it to make a spreadsheet, but it seems like you come out a decent ways ahead that way as long as you keep your marshal and steward there for the bonuses the whole time. It definitely doesn't make sense to hold multiple castles in more than one province though, since you've only got one marshal and steward to provide bonuses.
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Speaking of that, how long should a marshal be set on "Train Troops" in order for the levy size bonus to kick in (not the triggered event, just the regular effect)? Should you just keep him on tech the whole time and then switch him to training the day before you click the 'raise my levies' button?
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What is the real effect of a demense being too big? I am playing a petty character in Spain and want to hold onto 6 castles, but I am only allowed to control 4.... I want direct control so I can spend cash to build up my troops!
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Good Citizen posted:My character's wife has had 2 children about 1 year apart since I left for war 3 years ago. I'm starting to think there may be something suspicious going on My 73 year old Earl just gave his 18 year old Daughter-in-Law "a good tumble". 
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Diogines posted:What is the real effect of a demense being too big? I am playing a petty character in Spain and want to hold onto 6 castles, but I am only allowed to control 4.... I want direct control so I can spend cash to build up my troops! Don't go over demesne limit. You get massive tax penalties, crippling province modifiers AND your vassals hate you. It's not worth it.
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NihilCredo posted:Speaking of that, how long should a marshal be set on "Train Troops" in order for the levy size bonus to kick in (not the triggered event, just the regular effect)? Should you just keep him on tech the whole time and then switch him to training the day before you click the 'raise my levies' button? The levy size bonus kicks in instantly, but it's a bonus to the maximum levy size, not the current levy size. Your marshal's got to stay in the province long enough for the levies to recruit up to the new max levy size. Once the levies fill up to the new max levy size, you can raise them and move your marshal to do something else and the "bonus troops" won't disappear, but if you dismiss the troops before putting the marshal back and you're above the normal max levy size, then the bonus troops are gone and you'll have to wait the year or so for the levies to recover to max once you bring your marshal back.
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