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kri kri
Jul 18, 2007

How are the physics?

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Croccers
Jun 15, 2012
What is always so bad about SR's driving? I feel it's just... there. It's not bad, you can control your car with no problem... and it's it. It's just there and super simple.
True Crime New York has bad driving (And I like that game), Just Cause 1 from what I remember has bad driving. Saints Row is just eh.

Gyoru
Jul 13, 2004



404notfound posted:

I don't suppose you speak Cantonese, do you? I'm wondering if it sounds authentic.
It sounds authentic to me judging from "early release" streams and whatnot. It feels forced at times especially when they mix it into an English sentence. Pok gai is thrown out flagrantly at almost every opportunity. :china:

A lot of the ambient crowd chatter is entirely in Cantonese as is some of the radio.

Gyoru fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Aug 10, 2012

rizuhbull
Mar 30, 2011

rizuhbull posted:

Not enough of it.

I can't leave a clothing store without hearing "You're brave to be wearing that!". There's a particular bootleg spot in the first area that has so many shopkeeper npcs repeating the same lines, it's like a spiral into a blind man's hell. The first I think is a part of the game's humor. There's purchasable "American Douche Demin" jeans.

kri kri posted:

How are the physics?

rizuhbull fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Aug 10, 2012

rizuhbull
Mar 30, 2011

double post is not edit!

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Croccers posted:

What is always so bad about SR's driving? I feel it's just... there. It's not bad, you can control your car with no problem... and it's it. It's just there and super simple.
True Crime New York has bad driving (And I like that game), Just Cause 1 from what I remember has bad driving. Saints Row is just eh.

Saints Row's driving is setup so that you can do flawless slides around every corner and weave all over the place.

Some people don't like that. They're bad people, we don't talk to them.

Obsurveyor
Jan 10, 2003

Aphrodite posted:

Saints Row's driving is setup so that you can do flawless slides around every corner and weave all over the place.

Some people don't like that. They're bad people, we don't talk to them.

So true. Saints Row The Third has awesome driving.

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.
Do you get bonuses for using the lethal/awesome/brutal takedowns on the last few goons or are the hazards simply there for flourish.

I have a thing where if I can I'll always try and end a fight on a high note. In this instance it's shoving someone's eye into a crane hook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxkr4wS7XqY

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Lasher posted:

I have a thing where if I can I'll always try and end a fight on a high note. In this instance it's shoving someone's eye into a crane hook.

Everything should have that "thing", including developers. In the past, especially with boss fights, you'd often finish someone off with an otherwise unspectacular weak attack, or the 2nd hit of a 6-move combo that leaves you flailing while the boss' corpse is already cooling. They countered this by having cutscenes and QTEs finish off bosses in spectacular ways but of course these were far less fun and engaging so they basically went too far in the opposite direction.

If players had more options to do what you're talking about, ending off fights with flourishes when we decide, games would be a lot more fun, boss fights even more so.

limaCAT
Dec 22, 2007

il pistone e male
Slippery Tilde
rizuhbull: I wonder if parkour sections are in the whole game or they are only in the dramatic opening/tutorial. Also, you were playing with an xbox pad, right?

404notfound posted:

I don't suppose you speak Cantonese, do you? I'm wondering if it sounds authentic.

Sleeping Dogs - Totally Not Saying "camel balls in ripe stew" in Cantonese.

smuh posted:

Plus, you really can't gently caress up a sandbox game anyways.

Unless your name is Bethesda.

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying

Lobok posted:

Everything should have that "thing", including developers. In the past, especially with boss fights, you'd often finish someone off with an otherwise unspectacular weak attack, or the 2nd hit of a 6-move combo that leaves you flailing while the boss' corpse is already cooling. They countered this by having cutscenes and QTEs finish off bosses in spectacular ways but of course these were far less fun and engaging so they basically went too far in the opposite direction.

If players had more options to do what you're talking about, ending off fights with flourishes when we decide, games would be a lot more fun, boss fights even more so.
The best way to encourage this is a system where the more you beat dudes up, the more vulnerable they become to knockouts, but you still need to land a powerful move to actually knock them out.

There are some boxing/MMA/wrestling games that work this way, but I can't think of any more actiony games that have done it.

rizuhbull
Mar 30, 2011

limaCAT posted:

rizuhbull: I wonder if parkour sections are in the whole game or they are only in the dramatic opening/tutorial. Also, you were playing with an xbox pad, right?
There isn't really sections (besides the intro). You can leap over and climb up most things you see, and there'll be instances where you have to chase someone. There's no jump button as "A" is get around button. A is sprint and leap and vault all in one so it feels natural. But if you hit the button too early or late, you'll slow down.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Sindai posted:

The best way to encourage this is a system where the more you beat dudes up, the more vulnerable they become to knockouts, but you still need to land a powerful move to actually knock them out.

There are some boxing/MMA/wrestling games that work this way, but I can't think of any more actiony games that have done it.

Totally! I've posted a couple times over the years on the topic and every time I use the example of old SNES wrestling games. It's such a great system that could find amazing application outside of sports games. Essentially infinite health but only in the context of a momentum or tug-of-war health bar, and an emphasis on finishing moves.

Honestly, there are lots of mechanics from sports games that should migrate out to different genres.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Playstation All Stars' main game mode works that way.

Your attacks just build up your special meter, and a special instantly kills anyone it hits.

Quiet Python
Nov 8, 2011
"Def Jam: Fight for New York" had something kind of similar, in that it was very hard to finish someone off with just regular punches and kicks. To KO someone, you pretty much had to use a Blazing Finisher, a weapon, an environmental object or a particular move specific to the style you practiced.

Fights against the AI had to finish on a high note. Fights against other players could become cat and mouse affairs, trying to go for the kill without leaving yourself open to getting slammed face first into a wall or getting a bottle busted over your head.

Man, that was a great game.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

rizuhbull posted:


-The car physics are also, hilariously stupid. Ramming cars or shooting out a tire will make them flip unrealistically and usually explode.

God I love poo poo like this because it makes everything feel so over-the-top and cinematic.

Crappy Jack
Nov 21, 2005

We got some serious shit to discuss.

ijyt posted:

God I love poo poo like this because it makes everything feel so over-the-top and cinematic.

Yeah, I've never really played a game where I'm like "man, I hope shooting a tire makes this car slowly skid to a halt." Nope, I wanna see that fucker slam into a barrier and flip ten feet into the air and explode.

Barf Wight
Sep 4, 2011
OK, you can stop yelling :hf:
Makes me wonder, Rizuhbull, can you do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En_8UgGZXio

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Sindai posted:

The best way to encourage this is a system where the more you beat dudes up, the more vulnerable they become to knockouts, but you still need to land a powerful move to actually knock them out.

There are some boxing/MMA/wrestling games that work this way, but I can't think of any more actiony games that have done it.

Dissida: Final Fantasy actually has a mechanic like this. You have one set of moves that weaken an opponent and collect "Brave" and another that does damage based on how much of the previous moves you used, which spends your Brave and requires you to weaken the enemy again after doing damage.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

Sindai posted:

The best way to encourage this is a system where the more you beat dudes up, the more vulnerable they become to knockouts, but you still need to land a powerful move to actually knock them out.

There are some boxing/MMA/wrestling games that work this way, but I can't think of any more actiony games that have done it.

Almost all of Technos' beat'em ups (Double Dragon/Battletoads/RCR/etc.) do this. You have to either hit a character with an attack that knocks down or hit them with an attack while they're already reeling from a weaker attack. That's actually why the parts where you fight two Abobos or two Chins at once in Double Dragon 1 are the most intense. The former's attacks both knock you down in one hit AND do heavy damage so you have to be conservative. The latter can do a counter on your kick attacks (instant knockdown+damage) and also crouch to avoid your jump kick (can't play conservatively) so you have to get up close and keep the pressure up forever.

I got to play Sleeping Dogs for a short bit. The atmosphere and general feel of everything is Nineties Asian Crime Movie: The Game. combat actually immediately reminded me of older beat'em ups. You can't fluidly switch target like in Arkham City (I mean you CAN but the range you'll move is much shorter) but like in Double Dragon itself and in Yakuza you can throw people around/away/into stuff to get them out of your hair for a while. The combat in general feels like sort of a middle point between Yakuza and Arkham City. You get a counter button though and this mechanic works EXACTLY like in the Arkham games. At the same time while it's a bit more sluggish than Arkham, even the regular attacks feel nice and satisfying and right from the get go there's a good mix of enemies that block, enemies that can counter your grappling, etc.

Not a lot of new information sorry, but if it means anything I'm now buying this first thing Tuesday morning.

Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Aug 11, 2012

Quiet Python
Nov 8, 2011
I've got it pre-ordered and will pick it up on Tuesday. The question is, do I take Tuesday or Wednesday off from work to play it?

I'm trying to keep my expectations reasonable, to avoid potential disappointment. But every time I see some footage of "Sleeping Dogs", it's like I'm a teenager again, seeing "Police Story" on VHS for the first time. I haven't been this excited about a game in a while.

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.

Lasher posted:

Do you get bonuses for using the lethal/awesome/brutal takedowns on the last few goons or are the hazards simply there for flourish.

I have a thing where if I can I'll always try and end a fight on a high note. In this instance it's shoving someone's eye into a crane hook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxkr4wS7XqY
I always see this video on and off ever since youtube existed. I still do not know what movie this is from, that poo poo is always amazing to watch though. The comments and tags are no help. Anyone?

Dodoman
Feb 26, 2009



A moment of laxity
A lifetime of regret
Lipstick Apathy

Kurstein posted:

Makes me wonder, Rizuhbull, can you do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En_8UgGZXio

Indian movies best movies :smug:.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Roll on August 18. I can't believe that you start this game in North Point - that's just down the road from where I live. Looking forward to shooting up my office in Central; should be cathartic.

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.

Sober posted:

I always see this video on and off ever since youtube existed. I still do not know what movie this is from, that poo poo is always amazing to watch though. The comments and tags are no help. Anyone?

Undefeatable
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111552/

It's also hilarious reading the youtuber comments who think the fella who uploaded it was in any way serious saying it's a good fight scene.

Quiet Python posted:

"Def Jam: Fight for New York" had something kind of similar, in that it was very hard to finish someone off with just regular punches and kicks. To KO someone, you pretty much had to use a Blazing Finisher, a weapon, an environmental object or a particular move specific to the style you practiced.

Fights against the AI had to finish on a high note. Fights against other players could become cat and mouse affairs, trying to go for the kill without leaving yourself open to getting slammed face first into a wall or getting a bottle busted over your head.

Man, that was a great game.

Easily my all time favourite game. I cant think of a single finishing move/heavy takedown/environmental attack that didn't feel brutal and game ending in any way. (Apart from the submissions, I guess) the sound design and direction were brilliant.

Then we got ICON. :smith:

hong kong divorce lunch
Sep 20, 2005

Beefeater1980 posted:

Roll on August 18. I can't believe that you start this game in North Point - that's just down the road from where I live. Looking forward to shooting up my office in Central; should be cathartic.

I'm just looking to wreak havoc on all those jerks that cut me off in traffic every day! In the game, I mean. Unfortunately, New Territories and Kowloon are not included in the game so I won't be able to visit my neck of the woods.

Crappy Jack
Nov 21, 2005

We got some serious shit to discuss.

Alright, it's the Saturday before a Tuesday release. Time to spend my day refreshing Amazon and yelling "ship, drat you!"

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012
I hope Greenmangaming sends out the codes for Aus on the Tuesday too. Still a week left here. (This STILL makes no sense delaying releases) :(

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Is there anyway I could unlock the game early in the UK, without risking my Steam account or something?

limaCAT
Dec 22, 2007

il pistone e male
Slippery Tilde

ijyt posted:

Is there anyway I could unlock the game early in the UK, without risking my Steam account or something?

Buy Valve.

E2M2
Mar 2, 2007

Ain't No Thang.
So how long is the game roughly? Have any reviewers said how long the whole game is?

DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Nobody likes you.
Everybody hates you.
You're gonna lose.

Smile, you fuck.

E2M2 posted:

So how long is the game roughly? Have any reviewers said how long the whole game is?

I think they said the main storyline is only 13 hours, and you can stretch it to 20 if you do absolutely everything. So not that long at all, unfortunately.

E2M2
Mar 2, 2007

Ain't No Thang.

DivisionPost posted:

I think they said the main storyline is only 13 hours, and you can stretch it to 20 if you do absolutely everything. So not that long at all, unfortunately.

Hell, I barely have enough time to play any games so 20 hours seems like a lot to me now.

Quiet Python
Nov 8, 2011
Yeah, a 20 hour game sounds like something I can actually finish. Maybe even start a new save and play through again at some future date.

We had a movie night in anticipation of "Sleeping Dogs". We watched "Police Story" starring Jackie Chan and "Invisible Target" starring Jaycee Chan. Very different movies, but a lot of broken glass in both.

What are some other "Cops in Hong Kong" movies I could watch while waiting for Tuesday?

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Quiet Python posted:

Yeah, a 20 hour game sounds like something I can actually finish. Maybe even start a new save and play through again at some future date.

We had a movie night in anticipation of "Sleeping Dogs". We watched "Police Story" starring Jackie Chan and "Invisible Target" starring Jaycee Chan. Very different movies, but a lot of broken glass in both.

What are some other "Cops in Hong Kong" movies I could watch while waiting for Tuesday?

This is basically this game in movie form:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104684/

Barf Wight
Sep 4, 2011
OK, you can stop yelling :hf:
Also, make sure you watch this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338564/

Theres an Infernal Affairs II as well, which is a prequel, I'm pretty sure I've seen it but I don't remember.

The third one is pretty good as well, as far as I remember

Mandrel
Sep 24, 2006

Lasher posted:

Undefeatable
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111552/

It's also hilarious reading the youtuber comments who think the fella who uploaded it was in any way serious saying it's a good fight scene.


Easily my all time favourite game. I cant think of a single finishing move/heavy takedown/environmental attack that didn't feel brutal and game ending in any way. (Apart from the submissions, I guess) the sound design and direction were brilliant.

Then we got ICON. :smith:

I still remember renting that game on a whim from the local video store, not expecting it to be any good but just wanting anything to play. Go figure, it's still one of my favorite games of all time. Other than Batman, I've yet to play any game with a fighting system as dynamic and entertaining as Fight for NY's. gently caress that was a cool game.

I never played Icon, it just sounded too disappointing.

isk
Oct 3, 2007

You don't want me owing you
Yeah, Hard Boiled and the Infernal Affairs trilogy are all good watches, especially before Sleeping Dogs.

If you'd like more Hong Kong flavor in general, Wong Kar-wai is your man. You won't find over-the-top action, but Chungking Express is a giant love letter to the setting.

Revitalized
Sep 13, 2007

A free custom title is a free custom title

Lipstick Apathy

Kurstein posted:

Also, make sure you watch this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338564/

Theres an Infernal Affairs II as well, which is a prequel, I'm pretty sure I've seen it but I don't remember.

The third one is pretty good as well, as far as I remember

2nd is a prequel, 3rd is a sequel

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DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Nobody likes you.
Everybody hates you.
You're gonna lose.

Smile, you fuck.
Game Informer gave this a 7.75.

They also gave Alpha Protocol a 6.5 and Dragon Age 2 an 8.25, so you know, be on alert, but not that high of an alert.

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