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Affe mk2 posted:Pretty sure yours is the first mention of Obama in the thread. Reasonably sure he read the comments on the news article, which you should never do. Dan Carter on The Smoking Gun posted:Just the kind of thing liberal Democrats love to see. The more sick, twisted and depraved, the better. etc.
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Narciss posted:Welp, bigotry and magical thinking in action folks. I don't want to have sex with an obese woman either. I guess I should just get it over with and join the Tea Party.
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poptart_fairy posted:
I actually learned what ephebophilia was on these very forums!  So uh, yeah, thanks for that I guessStrangersInTheNight posted:People act like learning that you were attracted to someone with the opposite genitals you thought they had is some sort of intense violation. Maybe you should step back and figure out why you think it's so loving awful, outside of the kneejerk 'THE GAY' thing in your brain? The how and when of a trans person revealing their 'genital situation' to someone they are dating is pretty personal, and it's not wrong or misleading if they don't reveal it right away on the first date. This is what I wanted to say, but I think you said it better. Top Bunk Wanker posted:Yes. It does matter. It really, really does matter, you god drat retard. Ouch, my feelings! No but seriously, imo it really shouldn't matter that much. Narciss put it well with their transwoman/ciswoman comparison--say you'd been seeing a woman for a while, going on dates, whatever, and after building up an attraction to this person you discovered that she used to have male genitals or was pre-op, on her way to properly representing herself, etc. Would you really throw away what might be an awesome relationship just because she didn't necessarily have the parts you were expecting? And of course it's immoral to trick people into having sex with you (?) and sexual orientation does exist, I guess I just don't understand peoples' fears of finding what they deem to be the "wrong" genitalia on somebody that they would have otherwise had sex with.. unless that person were being purposely evasive about it or something.
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macky2dope posted:But yeah, with that being said, this case isn't an issue of gender, just some cut-and-dry pedophilia (ephebophilia?).. though I do agree that 30 years is a little excessive. The reason I say it's excessive is because what she did (having sex with a 15 year old) is perfectly legal where I live (Denmark). She might still get into trouble for the whole gender thing, though I'm not entirely sure how things like that work here. tl;dr: you're not a pedophile for banging a 15 year old.
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let it go dude, hail satan
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Boat posted:Reasonably sure he read the comments on the news article, which you should never do. Oh yeah I skipped reading those. Those shouldn't count though, people that comment on internet news stories will blame liberals for the weather if they have a chance.
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Here is a question to people like Top Bunk Wanker: would you feel hurt and betrayed if, after years of playing catch with your awesome father in the front yard, discovered that he had been catching with a bionic arm (because he lost his real one in Vietnam)? Or would you think "its indistinguishable from his real one, and we had lots of fun, so who cares?"
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macky2dope posted:Narciss put it well with their transwoman/ciswoman comparison-- Except it was completely irrelevant, so he put it really poorly. Putting it well in this case would be a pre-op transwoman/ciswoman comparison.
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Rambowjo posted:The reason I say it's excessive is because what she did (having sex with a 15 year old) is perfectly legal where I live (Denmark). She might still get into trouble for the whole gender thing, though I'm not entirely sure how things like that work here. You are in the US.
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macky2dope posted:And of course it's immoral to trick people into having sex with you (?) and sexual orientation does exist, I guess I just don't understand peoples' fears of finding what they deem to be the "wrong" genitalia on somebody that they would have otherwise had sex with.. unless that person were being purposely evasive about it or something. Part of being gay or straight (i.e. not bisexual) is being attracted to bodies that exhibit particular sexual characteristics, often including a specific subset of genitalia. 
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macky2dope posted:Ouch, my feelings! No but seriously, imo it really shouldn't matter that much. Narciss put it well with their transwoman/ciswoman comparison--say you'd been seeing a woman for a while, going on dates, whatever, and after building up an attraction to this person you discovered that she used to have male genitals or was pre-op, on her way to properly representing herself, etc. Would you really throw away what might be an awesome relationship just because she didn't necessarily have the parts you were expecting? If you aren't aroused by women physically then there's not much which can be done, not everyone is bisexual, and sex is a pretty important part of a relationship. I like cocks and I'm uninterested in vaginas, they simply don't turn me on, and I don't think I could be in a long term relationship with a person I don't find physically arousing.
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macky2dope posted:And of course it's immoral to trick people into having sex with you (?) and sexual orientation does exist, I guess I just don't understand peoples' fears of finding what they deem to be the "wrong" genitalia on somebody that they would have otherwise had sex with.. unless that person were being purposely evasive about it or something.
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macky2dope posted:Ouch, my feelings! No but seriously, imo it really shouldn't matter that much. Narciss put it well with their transwoman/ciswoman comparison--say you'd been seeing a woman for a while, going on dates, whatever, and after building up an attraction to this person you discovered that she used to have male genitals or was pre-op, on her way to properly representing herself, etc. Would you really throw away what might be an awesome relationship just because she didn't necessarily have the parts you were expecting? I am a cis guy and yes I honestly would for two reasons. I am attracted to the idea of a traditional gendered female because of both the social constructs that surround me and an innate desire to have offspring. While a trans-woman may look identical to a real one, the idea of finding mate is a strong biological urge that can overwhelm a sexual desire. Besides if I find the idea of being with a trans-woman unsettling why is that wrong? Keep in mind I'm not saying people should be forbidden with being or being with trans-folk. I am a firm supporter that we should be free to choose to love whoever we want. Why can't I be free to not love a trans-person?
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Do we need another TRANS TRANS TRANS thread? The main issue here was a complicated scam to trick a minor into having sex, and the intentional deception by the criminal actor as to their gender. This is a real issue and may leave a lasting impression on the young girl who was tricked/victimized. Narciss posted:Welp, bigotry and magical thinking in action folks. Narciss posted:Sorry, but if you have a problem with having intercourse with a transwoman (who is functionally identical to a ciswoman)  Many people seeking heterosexual relationships presume that breeding is a possibility in the future with the prospective mate. Deceiving them is only "just" in your little fantasy internet world. Everyone should be free to be what they want, if they are deceptive in their social interactions then let them face the social consequences (people get angry). NoneSuch posted:If you aren't aroused by women physically then there's not much which can be done, not everyone is bisexual, and sex is a pretty important part of a relationship. I like cocks and I'm uninterested in vaginas, they simply don't turn me on, and I don't think I could be in a long term relationship with a person I don't find physically arousing.
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FRINGE posted:This is a normal feeling for an adult heterosexual female, and it is only the last year or so on the forums that it is "bad" to think so for some insane reason. I'm a dude
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Narciss posted:Here is a question to people like Top Bunk Wanker: would you feel hurt and betrayed if, after years of playing catch with your awesome father in the front yard, discovered that he had been catching with a bionic arm (because he lost his real one in Vietnam)? If he'd lied about it, yes. It's one thing to be up front about it, it's different if someone is intentionally deceiving the person they are trying to have sex with. It'd also feel hurt and betrayed if I started dating a girl who claimed to be a lawyer but later found out she was really a doctor, or vice versa. Lying is lying.
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Also, apparently not telling somebody that you're about to have sex with that you've got the opposite set of genitals than what they expect doesn't count as "evasive".
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NoneSuch posted:I'm a dude
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Narciss posted:Here is a question to people like Top Bunk Wanker: would you feel hurt and betrayed if, after years of playing catch with your awesome father in the front yard, discovered that he had been catching with a bionic arm (because he lost his real one in Vietnam)? Or would you think "its indistinguishable from his real one, and we had lots of fun, so who cares?" You're completely barking loving mad if you think there's any kind of parallel between playing catch with your dad and getting tricked into sex by someone misrepresenting their gender.
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Leon Einstein posted:Also, apparently not telling somebody that you're about to have sex with that you've got the opposite set of genitals than what they expect doesn't count as "evasive". Trans people don't have any obligation to announce in advance what's between their legs to potential partners, and their reluctance can be well justified given how common violence against them is almost everywhere in the world. However, a person also has every right to not feel attracted to whatever genitals their partner turns out to have, and it's not cool to shame them for that.
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Narciss posted:Here is a question to people like Top Bunk Wanker: would you feel hurt and betrayed if, after years of playing catch with your awesome father in the front yard, discovered that he had been catching with a bionic arm (because he lost his real one in Vietnam)? Or would you think "its indistinguishable from his real one, and we had lots of fun, so who cares?" Terrible analogy. Having sex can and usually is an emotional experience for the average person. Finding out after sex that you actually had sex with a transgendered person could potentially be devastating to your psyche. Doesn't quite compare to, hey dad has a robot arm! weird!
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Torka posted:Part of being gay or straight (i.e. not bisexual) is being attracted to bodies that exhibit particular sexual characteristics, often including a specific subset of genitalia. NoneSuch posted:If you aren't aroused by women physically then there's not much which can be done, not everyone is bisexual, and sex is a pretty important part of a relationship. I like cocks and I'm uninterested in vaginas, they simply don't turn me on, and I don't think I could be in a long term relationship with a person I don't find physically arousing. Also, thanks for the thought-out responses rather than just calling me a retard. Leon Einstein posted:It's funny how you completely dismiss people's sexual preferences and assume everybody is bisexual. Leon Einstein posted:Also, apparently not telling somebody that you're about to have sex with that you've got the opposite set of genitals doesn't count as "evasive".
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NoneSuch posted:I'm a dude Well Congrats for liking cocks. I like 100% organic pussy, no artificial additives. Its like Coke and Pepsi, and then you have those wierdos who like Dr. Pepper or something. I don't know what body part Dr. Pepper is in this metaphor, but gently caress Dr. Pepper and everyone who drinks it, that poo poo tastes crap.
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Torka posted:Trans people don't have any obligation to announce in advance what's between their legs to potential partners No, they don't have an obligation to do so, but if their potential partner feels that they were lied to, they can certainly be upset about it. I'm not under any obligation to tell a person I'm dating what I really do for a living, or what nationality my parents are, but if I lie about these things and then the other person finds out, I'd expect them to be rather pissed. macky2dope posted:I don't really see it as being evasive unless they're making a big effort to hide it or keep the person from finding out or straight up lying about it Which is what happened in this case.
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Torka posted:Trans people don't have any obligation to announce in advance what's between their legs to potential partners, and their reluctance can be well justified given how common violence against them is almost everywhere in the world. macky2dope posted:Hey, nope! Wrong again. I guess I just think about sexuality/gender/etc. as a pretty open/fluid thing and I forget that a lot of people don't see it that way.. but good job assuming what I'm assuming, I guess?
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Earwicker posted:No, they don't have an obligation to do so, but if their potential partner feels that they were lied to, they can certainly be upset about it. I thought we'd descended into theoryposting rather than discussing this specific case. Based on the OP's article I don't think this person is even trans at all, just a creepy liar.
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Torka posted:Trans people don't have any obligation to announce in advance what's between their legs to potential partners edit: Deception is usually a bad/rude/unethical idea in romantic situations. How many people in this thread would defend a PUA with a made up life story they used to get someone to the bedroom? The deception angle is the only part that even relates to the OP.
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What the gently caress are these dudes on about? If I reach down a lady's trousers and grab a d-piece, I'm going to challenge her to a gentlemanly cage match. (which is totally cool because 'she' is a dude)
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Earwicker posted:Which is what happened in this case.
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Leon Einstein posted:At what point do they have an obligation? I don't think they have an obligation to say anything at any specific time, but I don't think waiting until the clothes come off to say something is appropriate either. Never. It's entirely theirs to decide what, if anything, they say. And when, if ever, to say it. That said hopefully they feel comfortable sharing that info with their partner, but if not that's entirely their prerogative.
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Affe mk2 posted:Pretty sure yours is the first mention of Obama in the thread. No man, not in this thread. In the dark, untamed world of the Internet. We are safe here. But not for long.
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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JerleMinara posted:Never. It's entirely theirs to decide what, if anything, they say. And when, if ever, to say it. Yeah, this pretty much.
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JerleMinara posted:Never. It's entirely theirs to decide what, if anything, they say. And when, if ever, to say it. The pathetic scramble to defend long-lasting dishonesty in a relationship here is astounding.
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JerleMinara posted:Never. It's entirely theirs to decide what, if anything, they say. And when, if ever, to say it. As a guy who wants kids one day, I'd be really pissed of if it turned out was dating someone seriously and it turned out they were trans. That's some serious deceit and outward appearances be damned, its selfish to go "I like this person, so I'll lie to them to keep me happy".
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FRINGE posted:I hope that all of you people that feel this way end up in some kind of relationship based on lies that you don't discover for a long enough time that it impacts your life. It's exactly like AIDS and STDs. It's entirely theirs to decide what, if anything, they say. And when, if ever, to say it. That said hopefully they feel comfortable sharing that info with their partner, but if not that's entirely their prerogative.
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FRINGE posted:I hope that all of you people that feel this way end up in some kind of relationship based on lies that you don't discover for a long enough time that it impacts your life. If you're about to have sex with someone and they turn out to have naughty bits that you're not attracted to, so you change your mind, that's fair enough. Not much you can do about your sexual orientation. If you do have sex with someone because you are attracted to them and only have a problem with it afterwards when you find out they are trans, you are a bigot/transphobe.
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FRINGE posted:I hope that all of you people that feel this way end up in some kind of relationship based on lies that you don't discover for a long enough time that it impacts your life. Nobody's defending poo poo. There's nothing in need of defence; how people disclose aspects of their lives and when is between them and their partner. It's not pathetic, it's not dishonest, and as someone who has and does struggle with disclosure and how/when to do so, gently caress you.
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Sure are a lot of surprise sex supporters in this thread.
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JerleMinara posted:Never. It's entirely theirs to decide what, if anything, they say. And when, if ever, to say it. Legally speaking, sure. But if someone does hold out, allowing the other partner to build an emotional connection based on that illusion, it's completely dishonest and unfair, not to mention morally reprehensible.
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JerleMinara posted:It's not pathetic, it's not dishonest, and as someone who has and does struggle with disclosure and how/when to do so, gently caress you.
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You are a raving lunatic if you believe this. Do you not see how this could be dramatically disturbing to someone?
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