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BIGFOOT PEE BED posted:Yeah I noticed she didn't turn up to analyse her game yesterday. They've stopped making losers show up to analyze ever since Nakamura nearly cried on air after his lost to Carlsen last year. I was thinking more about her play: two out of three games she's been dead lost out of the opening.
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| # ? Dec 4, 2012 09:42 |
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Hand Knit posted:They've stopped making losers show up to analyze ever since Nakamura nearly cried on air after his lost to Carlsen last year. I was thinking more about her play: two out of three games she's been dead lost out of the opening. She hasn't played much recently has she? That sort of thing happens when a top player tries to come back and hasn't caught up on opening theory.
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| # ? Dec 4, 2012 13:57 |
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Gawain Jones just sacrificed his queen against Carlsen  and McShane as well
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| # ? Dec 4, 2012 18:46 |
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BurningStone posted:She hasn't played much recently has she? That sort of thing happens when a top player tries to come back and hasn't caught up on opening theory. This is what I thought but then I checked her chessgames page and she seems to have been fairly active. BIGFOOT PEE BED posted:Gawain Jones just sacrificed his queen against Carlsen I just got home and it looks like Jones had comp for about 5 moves, then he fell apart. McShane's looks like a best last chance in a losing position.
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| # ? Dec 4, 2012 19:04 |
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Hand Knit posted:This is what I thought but then I checked her chessgames page and she seems to have been fairly active. Yeah. The Jones one looked like it couldn't be sound, pretty or not.
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| # ? Dec 4, 2012 19:14 |
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BIGFOOT PEE BED posted:Yeah. The Jones one looked like it couldn't be sound, pretty or not. The Jones sac was sound until h4??.
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| # ? Dec 4, 2012 19:17 |
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That Aronian might lose this game is incredible, and really speaks to just how bad his form is right now.
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| # ? Dec 4, 2012 20:28 |
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So Carlsen up at 2857,4 on live as predicted, already talking to norwegian newspapers on how 2900 is the next target, and eventually beating the Fischer supremacy record of having 125 ELO to number 2 on the FIDE list. Possible, or crazytalk? White Paper fucked around with this message at Dec 4, 2012 around 21:40 |
| # ? Dec 4, 2012 21:37 |
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Carlsen has had substantially worse positions in two of his four games this tournament, and is right now as much as anything defined by his ability to escape and recover. Were he really in the Fischer/Kasparov class he wouldn't be worse to begin with.
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| # ? Dec 4, 2012 21:38 |
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My god, that Aronian-McShane endgame. Good lord. I've been following the games at work with Houdini on one side, and I don't recall it ever thinking Carlsen was worse. I do recall one position where the commentators didn't like his position but Houdini thought he was slightly better.
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| # ? Dec 4, 2012 22:12 |
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Promotion to knight ruled so hard, even if McShane was completely lost by that point.
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| # ? Dec 4, 2012 22:13 |
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Aronian is commentating now. He's pretty cool guy. I also like how he's all like I don't really know anything or study anything. E - and he's actually hanging around to chat about the games, unlike most of the others who were pretty brief. BIGFOOT PEE BED fucked around with this message at Dec 6, 2012 around 15:51 |
| # ? Dec 6, 2012 15:12 |
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Hand Knit posted:I just spent the last hour looking at Ivanchuk games. The guy lives in a completely different mental realm, so when his play is working it's incredible to watch. I don't know how looking at 20-year-old replays can be viscerally exciting but it is. Afterwards he explained to his opponent (some top 50 guy at the time) that he'd encountered the position in a tournament 5 years prior, and this happened [grabs 5 pieces, rearranges the board as if we ALL could see 20 moves down the line, it's perfectly natural you see]. Then he showed a different line, and another, and a variation here and there. It was the most ridiculously incredible thing I've ever seen.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2012 03:26 |
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Judit lost again. 
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| # ? Dec 7, 2012 03:58 |
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gret posted:Judit lost again. The game was drawable right to the end, too. s0meb0dy0 posted:Afterwards he explained to his opponent (some top 50 guy at the time) that he'd encountered the position in a tournament 5 years prior, and this happened [grabs 5 pieces, rearranges the board as if we ALL could see 20 moves down the line, it's perfectly natural you see]. Then he showed a different line, and another, and a variation here and there. I have two stories like this. The first is from Canadian Open 2005, watching analysis after Shirov-Chanda. At some point during the game Shirov had offered his queen in a line that I (and I don't think anyone else) had understood. During analysis, when they got to the move, Shirov just asked "I assume you saw all this," Chanda nodded, and they moved on. The other is not my game, but a friend with a rating of around 2200 who played GM Ganguly at some point. At one point in post-game analysis, Ganguly just started going into variations like Ivanchuk did, and went through about 6 lines in 4 minutes. Afterwards, he asked "did you get all that?" My friend was too shellshocked to say no.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2012 14:12 |
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Mickey Adams is playing a reverse Sicilian against Vishy. This makes me very happy. Kramnik plays Berlin wall against Aronian but my impression is that some more uncertain variations are getting explored now.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2012 14:17 |
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BIGFOOT PEE BED posted:Mickey Adams is playing a reverse Sicilian against Vishy. This makes me very happy. Both openings are quite doctrinaire so far. Anand is playing just a normal English. Kramnik's Berlin is also very standard right now, although I have to say I quite like what he's managed to achieve so far. Of course, such that it is a Berlin, what he is moving towards is more a simple draw but the space to play Rh5 is always significant.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2012 14:24 |
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Vishy just blundered hellaciously against Adams. The commentary is pretty great to watch right now.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2012 17:57 |
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BIGFOOT PEE BED posted:Vishy just blundered hellaciously against Adams. The commentary is pretty great to watch right now. Vishy  Also Carlsen's win of Polgar guarantees an end-rating of at least 2851 for this tournament, which means that, practically speaking, he will end the tournament as the all-time rating leader. The game was actually somewhat unpleasant to watch, since Polgar didn't really manage to put up any resistance. She just played a three-moves-behind hedgehog and put her pieces on the wrong squares.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2012 18:16 |
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BIGFOOT PEE BED posted:Vishy just blundered hellaciously against Adams. The commentary is pretty great to watch right now. Adams is taking his time playing Qd1 - I hope he sees it. It's not a particularly hard move to find, but there are a lot of variations, so hopefully he's just checking everything to make sure. My favorite line might be: ...Qd1 Bf1 Bh3+ Kxh3 Qxf1+ Which, if White didn't resign, would result in Black taking every piece. And, as I'm typing this up, Adams played Qd1, as expected. Anand plays Qh6, which allows for the cool mate with the same Bh3+ trick.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2012 18:17 |
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Hand Knit posted:Vishy Yeah, it wasn't much of a game - Carlsen executed brilliantly of course, but as you said, Polgar didn't make it hard for him to get a great position. Alternate reaction: ho hum, Magnus wins again
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| # ? Dec 7, 2012 18:20 |
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He found it. Phew.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2012 18:21 |
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OrangeKing posted:Adams is taking his time playing Qd1 - I hope he sees it. It's not a particularly hard move to find, but there are a lot of variations, so hopefully he's just checking everything to make sure. My favorite line might be: Thanks, I was going crazy wondering what was so special about Qd1. It really is rough being excited about these tournaments (or chess in general) but not being good enough to catch blunders or minor mistakes until someone points them out to me.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2012 19:17 |
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DrSeRRoD posted:Thanks, I was going crazy wondering what was so special about Qd1. It really is rough being excited about these tournaments (or chess in general) but not being good enough to catch blunders or minor mistakes until someone points them out to me. That's okay - it took me a few minutes to figure out the lines without a computer even after knowing Qd1 was winning. It's okay not to know, just don't be that guy who acts like it's obvious why it's winning just because the computer told you it was...but then spits out a completely incorrect winning plan. I saw that today over at ChessBomb in the chat for this game, which was funny.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2012 22:09 |
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Horizon effects can also really gently caress with evals. The third Ju-Huang tiebreak from the WWC has a position that is completely drawn, but since it's neither a fortress nor tablebase Houdini gives it a trivially winning eval of +4.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2012 22:33 |
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Hand Knit posted:Horizon effects can also really gently caress with evals. The third Ju-Huang tiebreak from the WWC has a position that is completely drawn, but since it's neither a fortress nor tablebase Houdini gives it a trivially winning eval of +4. Oh, definitely. In this case, I meant the person in chat spitting out the wrong plan, because the only line the built-in Houdini showed was one where Anand would sac material and stay in the game, and didn't actually show the consequences of not sacrificing. In retrospect, "spit out" was a bad term to use, since we usually mean computer lines when we say that.
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| # ? Dec 8, 2012 06:17 |
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As a non-chess player I think Carlsen has been quite underwhelming when he has come in for the post game analyses. He is mostly like "yeah, I don't know... oh yeah I didn't think of that... yeah I didn't really consider that... I just thought this might work" which seems a bit strange when he is #1 by quite a bit. He also claimed he didn't spot the Qd1 move when he walked by the Adams-Anand game so at least you're not alone there.
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| # ? Dec 8, 2012 11:09 |
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Good players have a knack for not seeing bad moves.
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| # ? Dec 8, 2012 12:28 |
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So I'm pretty sure that Nakamura just outplayed Carlsen across the early endgame.
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| # ? Dec 8, 2012 16:57 |
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It looks like giving up the two bishops threw away his advantage. After that Nakamura needed to find some precise moves, but he got the better end of a drawn position. I think that's the first time this tournament Carlsen hasn't gotten the maximum from his position. Every other game, if he had any chance to win, he won; the rest, he drew. Aronian is probably the player with a performance most below expectations, but Anand's bad form has been going on for so long it doesn't seem to be just form any more. I wouldn't be surprised if he loses his next title defense and retires or semi-retires. The fire just doesn't seem to be there any more
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| # ? Dec 9, 2012 03:37 |
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At this point I don't think Vishy cares about anything other than the world championship matches, and he plays just enough tournaments to not get too rusty. Hope Magnus decides to participate in the next championship cycle.
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| # ? Dec 9, 2012 04:51 |
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gret posted:At this point I don't think Vishy cares about anything other than the world championship matches, and he plays just enough tournaments to not get too rusty. Hope Magnus decides to participate in the next championship cycle. I remember people saying this the last couple years. Then the Gelfand match happened.
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| # ? Dec 9, 2012 08:58 |
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Polgar won yessssss
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| # ? Dec 9, 2012 18:00 |
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Hand Knit posted:I remember people saying this the last couple years. Then the Gelfand match happened. I was definitely one of them, but like you, I'm skeptical now. Even in chess, everyone gets past their prime eventually.
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| # ? Dec 9, 2012 18:53 |
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OrangeKing posted:I was definitely one of them, but like you, I'm skeptical now. Even in chess, everyone gets past their prime eventually. This tournament is actually the first time I've seen the "old Anand" since before his title defence against Topalov. I haven't seen much of him, mind you, but he has been there in the win over Jones and for like 80% of his current game against Naka (although he may be pissing it away now). e: and he fucks it up e2: and Anand fucks up the draw. I can understand Naka screwing up but Anand has had over half an hour on the clock for most of this. Hand Knit fucked around with this message at Dec 9, 2012 around 19:43 |
| # ? Dec 9, 2012 18:56 |
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And Anand-Nakamura ends in a draw, after Nakamura is unable to figure out how to fork a distant king and rook with his queen.
Hand Knit fucked around with this message at Dec 9, 2012 around 20:07 |
| # ? Dec 9, 2012 19:29 |
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Hand Knit posted:And Anand-Nakamura ends in a draw, after Nakamura is unable to figure out how to fork a distant king and rook with his queen.
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| # ? Dec 9, 2012 23:39 |
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Wolfy posted:I'm a bit of a novice, but that's not exactly a tough maneuver, is it? It would've been a three-four move sequence with one non-forcing move with Naka being tight on the clock, although I still think he should've had enough time to find it. In analysis he presented a couple other candidate moves he was thinking of, and one of them was the prime solution. The game was weird because it was three-quarters game-of-the-tournament, but the other quarter was swapping blunders like drunk blitz. e:  The winning line is 1...Qa4+ 2.Ke5 Qc6 and black will win the rook in two moves. Naka claimed in analysis that he found the line OTB, but couldn't "clinch" it. Hand Knit fucked around with this message at Dec 10, 2012 around 00:02 |
| # ? Dec 9, 2012 23:58 |
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These sorts of endings I don't understand. What are the principles for trapping the rook?
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| # ? Dec 10, 2012 00:19 |
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There aren't any, which is what makes them hard. This is why Naka couldn't clinch Qc6 - he couldn't go through each individual line in time. I guess one broad-skill principle that would play is familiarity with the queen bullying an open, centred king with checks. The key consideration for both players in such a position is which squares white can place his rook for a fortress, and which squares are safe squares for the king.
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