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A shameless copy-paste from other thread:quote:So apparently Russia is getting a naval base in Vietnam, and trying to get one in Cuba. Nevermind, the Russians apparently had withdrawn in 2002. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_Ranh_Bay Section 31 fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Jul 29, 2012 |
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Hey everyone, HK goon chiming in. Kind of wanted to post here BECAUSE SINGAPORE IS SO and coming from HK, there's always a rivalry going on. But als, there's a China megathread. Just found this in the news today. HK and Macau is like the neutral zone for all the rich South China Morning Post posted:Fugitive former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra clearly loves Hong Kong - and no wonder. Being in Hong Kong it's really interesting that you can spot the rich Thai families easily. They go out as a large group and buy a poo poo load of iphones, electronics and onizuka tigers with a few servants doing all the carrying. And when they reserve tables at fancy restaurants they just waltz in being really late into their private room. But I prefer shady foreign dignataries coming in instead of loud obnoxious drunken
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I won't pretend to know anything about the Rohingya situation, but here in Bangladesh (at least in my limited experience) "Rohingya" is used as a derogatory term for any Bengali with Asiatic features. I've heard it jokingly used to describe Chakmas and people from the Garo Hills who, while Bangaldeshi, tend to look more Burmese/Chinese. I once asked my Garo friend about what he though of Chakmas and he promptly said they were dangerous savages who would kill you if they caught you in their territory - apparently this belief was universal among Garos who live and work in Chittagong. Both Garos and Chakmas have been alternately discriminated/hosed-over/ignored by the government in Dhaka, yet both find time to hate each other. It seems that petty tribalism is universal - even among oppressed peoples. Edit: There are similar reports in the local papers every day - http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/latest_news.php?nid=39501 lynch_69 fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Jul 29, 2012 |
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caberham posted:Being in Hong Kong it's really interesting that you can spot the rich Thai families easily. They go out as a large group and buy a poo poo load of iphones, electronics and onizuka tigers with a few servants doing all the carrying. And when they reserve tables at fancy restaurants they just waltz in being really late into their private room. But I prefer shady foreign dignataries coming in instead of loud obnoxious drunken Bangkokians are so used to being late that I almost feel rude when I'm on time, because then the other person feels rushed. For social engagements I just plan to show up 20 minutes late. I'm not sure why they'd be buying Onitsuka Tigers, though, since they sell them in all the malls here.
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Yeah, the time thing, I've had this discussion with many people. Inside of America, people get really uptight when you start mentioning that some cultures simply don't have punctuality as a value (i.e. "Thai Time") like they interpret it as some big racial or xenophobic insult, but in the rest of the world (as I've pointed out before) the cultures who go ape poo poo over punctuality like us are the weirdos and you can count us on about two hands. Everyone else is flexible and constantly late. It's not a judgement, it's an actual fact of life. That said, I'm American. Be on time, fuckers! ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Aug 1, 2012 |
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Aug 1, 2012 14:37
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Yes, because American trains are great and as punctual as German and Japanese trains  Everybody's late, and pulling the culture card or "heavy traffic card" just makes me  Everyone know what rush hour is, make appointments appropriately. I guess some people just feel insulted that when they are on time and gets lumped up with other tardy people because of being in the same culture. I think the lax time excuse is bullshit and really self serving in this modern world. You don't show up late for work, for school and you definitely want to leave work on time. Or a critical condition surgery appointment. Does the average worker in Thailand really go "Mai Pen Rai" and work 2 hours extra? And Asians are usually the paranoid ones who arrive at the airport 3 hours before departure to check in their bags. Nobody is ever late for a flight. Heck, you go to bathroom on time before your stomach explodes. There is a sense of urgency but in my eyes people are just being a big enough of a prick to be inconsiderate. Ugh that made me sound very angry, but it's a personal pet peeve of mine.
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One important note there is that Asians are not monolithic - Thailand is largely tropical, Korea isn't. They act differently for historical and geographical reasons. Guns, Germs & Steel and all that. Anyway, let me put it this way, I've had candidates for job interviews do the following: - Call in 15 minutes after the interview time to tell me "It rain today, I come soon." - Show up an hour late and act like nothing is wrong. - SMS 30 minutes after the interview was supposed to start to ask to reschedule. And this is a loving job interview we're talking about, not dinner. White collar, university educated job candidates. Total lack of punctuality is absolutely, 100% acceptable in Thai culture and it is therefore cultural. That does not mean it is optimal or that I accept it, but they're pretty much okay with it and while I'm not personally, who am I to come to a country of 70 MM people and tell them how to run things, you know? If it's a situation within my control I blow a gasket sometimes, but if it's someone else's deal then maybe I have to live with it. One thing I know for sure is that I'm less worried about all these little things that I used to be and I smile a lot more. Part of that's because, you know, we create a lot of structure in life back home and then we get really uptight about obeying it. Here, they have their own structure, but since I don't fit in to it I have the benefit of both worlds. Still, as I said, when it comes to personal relationships: be on time, fuckers. I never let a job interviewee re-schedule or show up late. That's moronic. Anyone who pulls that poo poo in an interview is going to be 10x worse later. It should also be said that this is hardly the only thing that will drive you nuts. Wait until you ask why someone was late - something you're not supposed to do, because then the other person might have to admit having done something wrong and tell the truth about it, which is a no no. Oi. EDIT: The reason I don't get too worked up usually is because I enjoy the chaos. Okay, the lack of timeliness sucks. You know what's nice? When you're legally not allowed to buy beer during certain hours and the big stores observe it, but the mom and pop joints don't. You can't have one without the other, so mai bpen rai! ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Aug 1, 2012 |
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BOEUNG KAK LAND GRAB NEWS NOW... http://www.sea-globe.com/Regional-Affairs/no-mans-land.html quote:No man's land My non-expert opinion is that Hun Sen has managed to stay in power as ruthlessly as he has (he basically threatens opponents when he might lose) by not over-loving the general population while presiding over the rebuilding of Cambodian society. It's still a very poor country and people are generally still not well-off, but things have been steadily improving for enough people that it's been a pretty stable country since the first election, when Hun Sen basically thugged his way into power. That doesn't mean that it's a fair country or that it's a free and open country (if you oppose him), but generally speaking it hasn't had much tumult. This land grabbing that's been going on for a while rurally - and which has started to garner international attention with the more urban Boeung Kak land grab - is the kind of thing that will piss citizens off because it's not abstract. I think the fact that he's bothered to temper his response at all, which is unusual for Asia's most quotable and Idi Amin-like leader, is a sign that he recognizes that things have gotten out of hand. Still, as the article points out, whether that's a temporary measure designed to calm things a bit politically or whether he realizes that it's time to make land grabs a little more expensive for the grabbers is another matter entirely.
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Your non-expert opinion is pretty accurate given my own knowledge (being a resident in Phnom Penh). Well over half the country doesn't pay tax of any kind, the government varies from useless to obstructionary, but since the whole country is slowly improving most people are pretty chill about the fact that he's functionally a despot. In less important news, my father received a medal from the Cambodian government for flood relief efforts recently. Naturally, all his Khmer friends think it's great and the expats are all cynical enough to know it's more of a "please don't withdraw your development aid!  " sort of thing.
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ungulateman posted:Your non-expert opinion is pretty accurate given my own knowledge (being a resident in Phnom Penh). Well over half the country doesn't pay tax of any kind, the government varies from useless to obstructionary, but since the whole country is slowly improving most people are pretty chill about the fact that he's functionally a despot. Oh cool another Phnom Penh resident.  I think that's a grand total of 2 of us now, or 2.5 if you include ReindeerF.  ReindeerF posted:I think the fact that he's bothered to temper his response at all, which is unusual for Asia's most quotable and Idi Amin-like leader, is a sign that he recognizes that things have gotten out of hand. Still, as the article points out, whether that's a temporary measure designed to calm things a bit politically or whether he realizes that it's time to make land grabs a little more expensive for the grabbers is another matter entirely. Yeah it does seem like even he realises things have gotten a bit too far, particularly with them measuring up land and handing out titles in the provinces. The impression I get is that they want the issue to have simmered down a bit before next year's elections. I do think that at least some locals in PP are starting to realise the underlying problems with the country, and that a lot of the improvements are fairly superficial things to keep the population happy. Unfortunately no one really knows if the alternatives would be any better. I remember seeing an article just before the recent commune elections where they asked some of the locals what their thoughts were on the parties. Their responses were basically that they didn't know who to vote for, because every party basically said the same thing. Anyway speaking of Boeung Kak, this article made me feel pretty disgusted today. Specifically the guy's comments: quote:A deputy police chief being sued for his alleged role in a pregnant woman being kicked in the stomach outside the appeal trial of the Boeung Kak 13 in June said yesterday he did not know what compensation the woman, who miscarried, wanted. I don't know if it's just being reported/I'm noticing it more, but I swear incidents like this are happening more often compared to 2 or 3 years back. 
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caberham posted:I guess some people just feel insulted that when they are on time and gets lumped up with other tardy people because of being in the same culture. I think the lax time excuse is bullshit and really self serving in this modern world. You don't show up late for work, for school and you definitely want to leave work on time. Or a critical condition surgery appointment. Does the average worker in Thailand really go "Mai Pen Rai" and work 2 hours extra? And Asians are usually the paranoid ones who arrive at the airport 3 hours before departure to check in their bags. Nobody is ever late for a flight. Actually, I find that in Bangkok (and found while working in Vietnam) that yes, local staff show up late all the time, return from lunch late all the time, and work later than everyone else to make up for it. Obviously if it's something really important, then yes, people show up on time. But the idea that it's a mortal sin to show up 10 minutes late to work doesn't really exist, and rightfully so. That said, dealing with suppliers in Thailand is pretty much the worst thing ever. They say it'll be done in two weeks. You put in a deposit. SIX MONTHS LATER there's still not a prototype. "Oh, well, Uncle Dej has been sick and he has the molds, but I'm going to visit his cousin next week and ask if he can give me the key to his house, because he has it as his house." Inability to come even close to meeting deadlines is one of a few major reasons no one is boned up about manufacturing in Thailand anymore. Smeef fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Aug 5, 2012 |
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Let us also note, in passing, the constant borrowing of authority from up the chain in every situation. "P'Lek say you hab to do." "Mmm. I talk P'Noi and P'Noi say P'Lek say not do." "Mai chai, I talk P'Lek after talk P'Noi and P'Jib for tell you to do." "MMmmMmmmm" "I go talk P'Noi" "Thank ka." There's a certain amount of "Well, the boss said" that goes on anywhere, but I've never seen any place like Thailand for this. I've seen entire email chains that are like 15 back of forth timewasters of my P versus your P instead of someone just loving accomplishing something. Part of it's fear of either disobeying or outshining your P, but part of it's also just, "Hey, here's a great way to sit around playing with Facebook for a while longer."
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The Philippines' infamous Reproductive Health bill is being voted on today! After 16 years of deliberations (around the bill's various forms), our congressmen are finally going to vote on... whether or not it should be trashed entirely or amended and voted on some more.  Really though, I hope this goddamn thing passes. The Church has exerted so much pressure on politicians to go against it, but I think we have a fair chance. The RH bill has provisions for age-appropriate sex education, subsidized contraceptives for the poor, proper prenatal and postnatal care for mothers, as well as care for women who have complications arising from abortion (which is still illegal here).
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Ah yeah, I saw that in the news - I hope it passes too! God, if ever a country needed it, it's the Phils. Out of curiosity, is the pushback entirely from the Catholic overlords or do the conglomeration of Muslim groups on Mindanao have something against it too? I only ever hear about the Catholics pushing against it.
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Abortion isn't a sin in Islam if it's done before four months, and non-permanent forms of contraception are okay, so I don't see why they would be against it.
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In general, the Muslim community is nowhere near as rabidly against it as the Catholic Church is. There are groups of them here and there that come out against it, but I certainly don't hear imams blathering on about its evils every day. I'm told there was an official statement of support from some Islamic groups, but I can't find a source for that. Surprisingly, the Iglesia Ni Cristo, which is pretty much a Christian cult, is in favor of the RH bill. I don't know why, but I'll take what we can get. The INC is a huge constituency. Update! Some congressman has taken the stand and said his interpellation is not over! Right this second he's going wild about contraceptives leading to cancer and "permissive sex", the bill being "against faith", and right now he seems very intent on delaying the vote as long as he can. edit: "it is against public religion" Argue fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Aug 6, 2012 |
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Aug 6, 2012 10:24
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Filibustering is filibustering, no matter where in the world.
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Maybe the residents of Mindanao can help drag the rest of the country into the present century, heh. So what's the process there? This time the vote gets it to the upper chamber and then it goes to committee and then Noynoy has to sign it or how does it work? I know a bit about the government there from reading about it during Gloria's time when I was around, but I don't really know too much. EDIT: Bonus points if every condom comes with "On This Site Will Rise" printed on it.
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I'm not entirely clear on the process, but this vote ends (or is supposed to end) the period of sponsorship and debate. After that, assuming they don't junk it entirely--and I think there's a slim chance of it being junked--there should be a third reading, during which they make amendments (which I hope don't mangle it beyond recognition). Following that is the final vote which theoretically should finally end it, but I'm not putting it beyond them to try pulling something afterwards, if it gets that far.Pureauthor posted:Filibustering is filibustering, no matter where in the world. Seriously. The majority leader, Tito Sotto, "threatened" to resign his post so he could be a regular senator and filibuster it some more. In his words, "As majority leader, I still schedule discussions on the RH bill (despite my objections to it). But as a regular senator, I could just throw a monkey wrench at the bill."
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Well, if it makes you feel any better (it won't) abortion's still illegal here in the condom capital of Southeast Asia. Seems Buddhists are 50% more rational than Catholics, heh.
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Argue posted:I'm not entirely clear on the process, but this vote ends (or is supposed to end) the period of sponsorship and debate. After that, assuming they don't junk it entirely--and I think there's a slim chance of it being junked--there should be a third reading, during which they make amendments (which I hope don't mangle it beyond recognition). Following that is the final vote which theoretically should finally end it, but I'm not putting it beyond them to try pulling something afterwards, if it gets that far. What are the opinion polls like on it? Is that kind of hard line stance a vote winner?
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Polls say that the majority of Filipinos are in favor of the bill, though the Church releases propaganda that says otherwise. I can't say for certain if that hardline stance is a vote winner, but I'm going to say yes. Not to mention that he'll have an easy time getting votes since he's one of the many famous tv personalities who decided to run for office. Anyway, debates are finally over! 182 out of the 231 congressmen in attendance voted to end the debates and move it forward for a third reading! This is a good thing! Highlights from the congressman who was trying to stall: "Move the vote to August 7 because 6 is unlucky--7 is holy, 6 is the devil." "The RH bill has been railroaded" (in what universe is 16 years of filibustering "railroading") "Christianity has existed for 4000 years, Catholicism has existed for 2000 years…I object to the RH Bill." He also tried to get the house to do nominal voting, where voting is done by roll call and each person is able to explain their vote. As far as I can tell this didn't go anywhere and some other congressmen got furious with him.
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Argue posted:"Christianity has existed for 4000 years, Catholicism has existed for 2000 years…I object to the RH Bill." Seriously, good luck with the bill, I really hope it passes. It's not a cure-all, but it's about time The Phils joined the modern world when it comes to birth control and the like. Next step: depose all the ruling families and hang them from one of the foot bridge overpasses in Makati.
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So Hun Sen gave a 5 hour speech today, which was broadcast on all channels (they apparently even set up TVs in markets and bus stations so everyone could watch, which is a bit creepy). Anyway, he focused on the border issues with Vietnam, and spoke about what is probably my favourite strategy from him yet: http://business.inquirer.net/75839/casinos-secret-strategy-to-protect-cambodia-pm quote:Casinos ‘secret strategy’ to protect Cambodia In all seriousness though, does anyone have a good perspective from the Vietnam side of things? Over here the Vietnam/Cambodia land exchanges are a bit of a touchy subject. It was always one of the points the PM's opposition would attack him on, with the extreme end of that being people accusing him of being a Vietnamese puppet (seriously, some of the anti-government Khmer blogs can be kinda scary). Tytan fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Aug 9, 2012 |
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Haha, gently caress, you beat me to it - I saw the story on my iPhone while I was out and couldn't post it. Holy poo poo Hun Sen is amazing. There should be a crack team of English speakers following him and translating stuff at all times. I will personally salute one of his various mansions when I arrive next week. FIVE HOURS OF HUN SEN. This would almost certainly be more entertaining than Eurovision, at minimum.
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What? Build line of casinos to mark the border? As a 'secret' strategy?
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PotatoJudge posted:If Vietnamese are too busy putting their dongs into Cambodian slot machines they won't have time to invade. Dongs and slots indeed?
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Hello SEA thread! I live in Thai Town in Los Angeles. Last night there was a big angry protest mob of Thais who don't like someone named Thaksin yelling across the street at another big angry mob of Thais who love him. How are Southeast Asian immigrants to America viewed? It seems like the local Thais are still very involved with Thai politics and the like, at least.
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Pellisworth posted:Hello SEA thread! I live in Thai Town in Los Angeles. Last night there was a big angry protest mob of Thais who don't like someone named Thaksin yelling across the street at another big angry mob of Thais who love him. Pellisworth posted:How are Southeast Asian immigrants to America viewed? It seems like the local Thais are still very involved with Thai politics and the like, at least. The former depends on some of the same things. Older South Vietnamese who emigrated after the war tend to be violently anti-North Vietnam still and I'm guessing they're viewed by some back in Vietnam as troublemakers. I dunno. Every once in a while that poo poo flares up. A few years ago some guy opened a video shop in Little Saigon or whatever it's called and had a North Vietnamese flag in the window and the locals all came and basically tore his shop up. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Aug 13, 2012 |
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Ah, so Thaksin was actually visiting? That makes sense as to why there were protests and such. I guess I didn't ask a very specific question w/r/t Thai and other SEA immigrants. That's also probably a huge and complex topic. The Thai community here in LA seems to be pretty big, and I know as a city supposedly our Korean population is the largest outside of Korea, etc. Since you're in Thailand, let's stick with that for now. What is the general relationship between Thais in Thailand and the various immigrant communities? Do you have any idea of the history of Thai emigration to the USA, for example are many of them fairly recent refugees of the military junta, or is there another major driver of Thai -> US immigration? I ask because the Thai community here seems a lot less rooted/established than the other big Asian ethnic enclaves in LA. Just kinda curious as to how that dynamic works!
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Ah, okay. I'm not an expert on that, but I can give you my opinion. The Thai immigrant community anywhere is going to be there due to A) marriage B) pursuit of general economic opportunity C) work/academic stuff. Thailand was never really colonized (asterisk for co-administration with Imperial Japan) and it was never really at war in any meaningful way in the last century or so, so there's no exodus of people fleeing colonial oppression or foreign invaders or what have you. For the same reasons, it's a largely homogenous and insular country in spite of all the foreign tourism. There's very little meaningful English penetration and most folks don't know much about the outside world (like on a level that would make Americans seem keen and aware), at the same time the education system is designed to heavily emphasize nationalism and duty to the monarchy, which is probably why Thailand's the only other free country I've been to where people are - of their own volition - about as jingoistic, and fly as many flags as they do in America, heh. They've just sort of been puttering along being satisfied Thais, with a massive growth curve ramping up beginning when the Americans show up and invest a ton of money in exchange for letting the US run its wars against Indochina from Thailand. This culminates in Thailand being the fastest growing country in the world for most of the 1990s and that's when things really start to change quickly, with more and more Thais educated internationally and financially capable of migrating to do business. Prior to that it was probably marriage and the occasional academic or economic migrant, but the communities weren't nearly as prevalent as those from Asian countries fleeing some form of insanity (e.g. Communist China, French Occupation of Indochina, America's War against in Vietnam/Laos/Cambodia, Khmer Rouge, North Vietnamese Occupation of South Vietnam, Korean War, etc). That's all just my opinion.
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Here's two other Malaysian news sources you might find useful. http://thestar.com.my/ Malaysia's largest English-language newspaper. The Star is apparently owned by the Malaysian Chinese Association, the Chinese arm of the ruling government. However, unlike Utusan Malaysia (under control of the majority-Malay portion of the government), it tends to be less partisan. It appears to be liberal-leaning too, so articles and editorials critical of things like the Malay-favoring affirmative action are published from time to time. http://www.sinarharian.com.my/ This one is in Malay only for now, but it is possibly the only newspaper in the country not to be under the influence of any political party. Both government and opposition gets more or less the same kind of coverage, and editorials can be supportive or critical of either (even Anwar Ibrahim's own daughter has a weekly column in it).
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We get about one of these a year and this one (so far) lives up to the exact pattern: http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/red-bull-heir-suspected-fatal-hit-run-194539696--abc-news-topstories.html quote:Red Bull Heir Suspected in Fatal Hit-and-Run Here are some notable past cases: http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/239838/man-sentenced-to-life-for-murder http://www.bangkokpost.com/print/296746/ http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...lient=firefox-a Last one's a google cache link as the story's been scrubbed - she's from a wealthy family with a surname indicating links (however far removed) to the country's nobility. Stories often get munged later here. I suppose if something non-tabloid about this is to be drawn, it's just how hilarious the concept of justice is in Thailand. On a social level, though, the way this kind of thing plays out every single time is among the most sickening examples of how developing countries with a large wealth disparity operate. On that note, it's what troubles me so much about watching America plummet toward this. You destroy the faith in institutions and create a society where a small percentage of people control enormous wealth, while average folks have less and less, and you'll see more and more of this kind of thing. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Sep 4, 2012 |
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Saddam Hun Sen pulls another one out of his hat:quote:China gives Cambodia aid and thanks for ASEAN help
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I'd just like to chime in that I currently live in Indonesia (Java specifically) as part of the Peace Corps so while it doesn't make me an expert I do have first hand experience with the country, or at least this island.
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ReindeerF posted:Saddam Hun Sen pulls another one out of his hat: Well, that approach also paid for the Non-Aligned Movement during the Cold War. That said I didn't expect that blatant "bought and paid for" line with regards to the support at ASEAN.
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