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1. Is Gronk really worth the 2nd round pick? An elite TE just seems like such a luxury when you should instead be picking up an elite WR or high end 2nd RB. And then there's still the whole Hernandez being a drat good TE to still points from Gronk and I think Brandon Lloyd could really be an impact to fantasy points for all of Patriots receivers as well. 2. In my 10 man league, I'm dumping defensive teams for IDP's. This is our first year doing it, so I don't want to over complicate it. I'm thinking 1 DT, 1 LB, and 1 DB. Would that be the best way of doing it? 3. How big should the bench be in a 10 man league with: 1 QB 2 RBs 3 WRs 1 TE 1 K 3 IDPs ? 89 fucked around with this message at Jun 29, 2012 around 06:16 |
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Hernandez "stealing" points is absurd. Gronk is the #1 option on the team, and Hernandez is more of the third or fourth option on the team at best. Despite the incredible amount of touchdowns, Gronk was still pulling in Megatron-like numbers in the receiving yards. The difference between Gronk/Jimmy Graham and the next best Tight End is much bigger than Megatron over the 5th best WR.
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| # ? Jun 29, 2012 13:07 |
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This year and 5 years from now who is better(fantasy wise), AJ Green or Julio Jones? I think it's pretty much a toss up.
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| # ? Jun 29, 2012 21:26 |
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AJ Green this year (no roddy) and really difficult to say 5 years from now due to a number of factors but I would wager AJ there too.
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| # ? Jun 29, 2012 21:33 |
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Gronk is a WR1 in everything but position. So is Jimmy Graham. Basically it's a (somewhat) similar situation to drafting a QB early. You're picking up somebody that's at a position that only a handful are needed/being used on a given week and is relatively deep, but there are a couple options head and shoulders above the rest. QB is without a doubt deeper at that "elite" level, though. Re: Jones vs. Green. Green is the better player and I'd wager he's in a better situation to be more consistent than Jones this year. 5 years down the road I imagine he'll still be the better player but it's impossible to say that, much less anything else. Who knows how Ryan/Dalton will develop, how the organizations will surround them with talent (though given Cincy's history you'd be dumb as poo poo to put your money on the Bengals in that category) and, hell, if they will even still be in remotely comparable situations to where they are now or even on the same team. For all we know, as much promise as the Bengals showed last year, AJ Green could end up in Calvin Johnson (up until recently)/Steven Jackson territory and end up being the only player of consequence on the offensive side of the ball, which severely handicaps his worth going forward. Deer_fire fucked around with this message at Jun 30, 2012 around 02:05 |
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Got Tony Romo/Mccoy/Jamaal Charles/Brandon Lloyd/Antonio Brown/Desean Jackson/Jimmy Graham in a 12 person mock draft. RB's early owns.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 00:06 |
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Its Miller Time posted:Got Tony Romo/Mccoy/Jamaal Charles/Brandon Lloyd/Antonio Brown/Desean Jackson/Jimmy Graham I'm guessing you were 2nd pick. Even so, Graham had no business falling to the 3rd round, even at #26. Romo may screw you and Lloyd is a big risk but good work overall.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 01:05 |
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Diqnol posted:I'm guessing you were 2nd pick. Even so, Graham had no business falling to the 3rd round, even at #26. Romo may screw you and Lloyd is a big risk but good work overall. How could Romo screw him?
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 01:09 |
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jabro posted:How could Romo screw him? Last year he ended up sitting a game out during fantasy playoffs and cost owners a game entirely. He also had that rib injury earlier in the year that capped his value for a bit. The year before he had his unfortunate clavicle injury and in 2008 he had yet another rib injury. I like to think of fantasy as a week-to-week game and with that injury history you've gotta think he won't be playing 100% if at all for parts of the season and may cost you a few weeks.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 01:15 |
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Still looking for opinions on my IDP stuff. In my 10 man league, I'm dumping defensive teams for IDP's. This is our first year doing it, so I don't want to over complicate it. I'm thinking 1 DT, 1 LB, and 1 DB. Would that be the best way of doing it? Sorry to repost it so "soon", but this thread moves pretty slowly.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 05:11 |
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Well, I've found that outside of the top 2 players with IDPs you get a large number of players, especially in DB and DL, that offer you approximately the same value when you have 1 slot for each position. It was the biggest complaint with my keeper league last year so we upped it to 2 per position since there is eventually a dropoff. I would suggest you put in 2 LB slots.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 05:20 |
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So, if I did: 1 QB 2 RBs 3 WRs 1 TE 1 K 2 LBs 1 DB 1 DL How big should my bench be?
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 05:33 |
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Diqnol posted:I'm guessing you were 2nd pick. Even so, Graham had no business falling to the 3rd round, even at #26. Romo may screw you and Lloyd is a big risk but good work overall. Romo isn't going to screw anybody. He's the loving consummate value pick. I think he has plenty of flaws both in the real game as well as in fantasy but I'll pick him in the fifth round all day, erry day. It's because of the flaws that he's constantly undervalued. I also don't see how Lloyd can be considered a risk at all. Unless you picked him in the 2nd or 3rd round or some poo poo. Last year was quite the disappointment for him (small sample size, definitely) and if nearly 1,000 yards and 5 TD's (admittedly not great) is a disappointment, you could do a LOT worse. He's finally going to give the Patriots the deep threat they've been lacking for years. He's not going to post '07 Moss numbers - because he's not '07 Moss - but there's no way he's going to Ochocinco his way out of NE. He's followed McDaniels around the past few years and been successful in spite of the situations. I'll become flexible enough to eat my own rear end if he bombs out in NE with the QB upgrade from Kyle Orton/Sam Bradford to Tom Brady.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 05:36 |
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The problem is that Lloyd is more replacing Deon Branch as a 4th option. Gronk, Welker, running back, Hernandez, and Lloyd whenever everyone else is absolutely covered. I mean, if you like a more reliable Deon Branch sure but I would rather have Earl Bennet who's a favorite target for Cutler as an example.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 06:52 |
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Deer_fire posted:Romo isn't going to screw anybody. He's the loving consummate value pick. I think he has plenty of flaws both in the real game as well as in fantasy but I'll pick him in the fifth round all day, erry day. It's because of the flaws that he's constantly undervalued. I also don't see how Lloyd can be considered a risk at all. Unless you picked him in the 2nd or 3rd round or some poo poo. Last year was quite the disappointment for him (small sample size, definitely) and if nearly 1,000 yards and 5 TD's (admittedly not great) is a disappointment, you could do a LOT worse. He's finally going to give the Patriots the deep threat they've been lacking for years. He's not going to post '07 Moss numbers - because he's not '07 Moss - but there's no way he's going to Ochocinco his way out of NE. He's followed McDaniels around the past few years and been successful in spite of the situations. I'll become flexible enough to eat my own rear end if he bombs out in NE with the QB upgrade from Kyle Orton/Sam Bradford to Tom Brady. Tae posted:The problem is that Lloyd is more replacing Deon Branch as a 4th option. Gronk, Welker, running back, Hernandez, and Lloyd whenever everyone else is absolutely covered. I mean, if you like a more reliable Deon Branch sure but I would rather have Earl Bennet who's a favorite target for Cutler as an example. This is a good summary of one of my points regarding Lloyd. In addition, while it's obvious Lloyd is a great talent, even if he moved up the priority list (he won't) he simply won't get the targets he has in the past. Last year Lloyd got 150 targets and caught 70 balls. Granted his QB was a steaming pile of poo poo, but Branch only got 100 targets. Gronkowski, one of Brady's go-to guys, only got 147. Targets down = numbers down. I'm not saying Lloyd is going to be Ochocinco. I am saying he is going too high in mocks right now. As to Romo, I'm not arguing he isn't a value play. What I was saying is those weaknesses you mention make him less of a sure thing for owners who want to win week to week. Sure, his overall numbers are certainly there and he has the potential to be top 5 even if he stays healthy all season, but that doesn't seem to happen. I didn't mention this before, but have you taken a good look at the schedule? The NFC East has a rough season ahead and, frankly, QB is pretty deep this year outside of the top 3 so it makes more sense to go with somebody more dependable or, if you feel the need to be risky, draft Vick. Diqnol fucked around with this message at Jul 1, 2012 around 08:33 |
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89 posted:So, if I did: My league had a 7 slot bench but it's also a 12 team league. Depends on how strong you'd like the waiver wire talent to be.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 08:34 |
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The 18-team dynasty league I just joined up on has 19 starters per team, of which 11 are IDPs. On that note, can anyone recommend some good IDP-focused sites?
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 15:07 |
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Professor Moriarty posted:The 18-team dynasty league I just joined up on has 19 starters per team, of which 11 are IDPs. Footballguys has some good free info and some behind a pay-wall. Also closer to the season their podcast The Audible often does IDP episodes so keep an eye on that.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 16:02 |
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I just did a mock and ESPN has Manning overall at #50 and Rivers at #60. I would feel Manning is riskier than Rivers- thoughts? Also, isn't Jay Cutler a pretty decent option at #100? You could conceivably go RB/WR/TE until 100 and end up with a decent team.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 17:17 |
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drawkcab si eman ym posted:I just did a mock and ESPN has Manning overall at #50 and Rivers at #60. I would feel Manning is riskier than Rivers- thoughts? Also, isn't Jay Cutler a pretty decent option at #100? You could conceivably go RB/WR/TE until 100 and end up with a decent team. Right, I definitely think that's too high for Peyton, and if I drafted him I'd want someone like Cutler as well for insurance. Cutler could be great value this year
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 17:48 |
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Diqnol posted:As to Romo, I'm not arguing he isn't a value play. What I was saying is those weaknesses you mention make him less of a sure thing for owners who want to win week to week. Sure, his overall numbers are certainly there and he has the potential to be top 5 even if he stays healthy all season, but that doesn't seem to happen. I didn't mention this before, but have you taken a good look at the schedule? The NFC East has a rough season ahead and, frankly, QB is pretty deep this year outside of the top 3 so it makes more sense to go with somebody more dependable or, if you feel the need to be risky, draft Vick. Those are somewhat valid points but I don't put a lot of stock into prior injuries unless it's the same thing over and over or some huge thing like totally blowing out a knee (and apparently even that doesn't stop Adrian Peterson) or something even more awful. Having a foot injury, then having that heal only to get a rib injury (or something) doesn't make you injury prone in my book, it just makes you unlucky. Also, I don't put a whole lot of emphasis on schedules until, at the very least, a couple weeks into the preseason. At this point last year who saw the Texans going from historically bad to the second best defensive team in the league? Who saw the Eagles being the absolute sieve against the run that they ended up being? Etc, etc. There's going to be a couple teams that right now everybody expects to be atrocious defensively that end up being some of the better ones and vice versa. Nobody has any idea which teams will get those crowns until the games actually start.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 19:46 |
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drawkcab si eman ym posted:I just did a mock and ESPN has Manning overall at #50 and Rivers at #60. I would feel Manning is riskier than Rivers- thoughts? Also, isn't Jay Cutler a pretty decent option at #100? You could conceivably go RB/WR/TE until 100 and end up with a decent team. I can't believe Rivers is going so low. At worst, he is slightly better than last season but that's still really good value for a 60th pick.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 19:49 |
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Demetrius Thomas will probably be good this year, but I just saw him go for the same range as Dez Bryant on Yahoo. And Decker is getting no love.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 20:41 |
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I tend to put Decker above Thomas in my rankings. Better route runner, better hands = more likely to succeed in a Peyton Manning offense.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 20:43 |
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District Selectman posted:And Decker is getting no love. Another underrated player. Decker was a beast when he was playing with an average throwing QB in Orton, then died because only Thomas could somehow catch Tebow's passes.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 20:43 |
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First mock, picking 3 in a standard 10 team snake: Rd 1: LeSean McCoy Rd 2: DeMarco Murray Rd 3: AJ Green Rd 4: Victor Cruz Rd 5: Eli Manning Rd 6: Shonn Greene Rd 7: Jeremy Maclin Rd 8: Pierre Garcon Rd 9: Stevan Ridley Rd 10: Jay Cutler Rd 11: Justin Blackmon Rd 12: Jared Cook Rd 13: Randy Moss Rd 14: Steelers D Rd 15: Jon Baldwin Rd 16: Some kicker, who cares Obviously doesn't matter much since it's just a mock but I'm trying to focus on getting bye weeks in order since it's in area that's hurt me over the years. Having a top 3 pick also made it easier since I was pretty much locked into taking whoever wasn't drafted of Rice, Foster or McCoy. Went with Murray and Green over Andre Johnson, Roddy White and Marshawn Lynch. I don't trust Andre Johnson with his injury issues and I would take Roddy White in the 18-25 pick area in IDP but I think Julio Jones will steal more touchdowns.
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| # ? Jul 1, 2012 22:39 |
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The SituAsian posted:First mock, picking 3 in a standard 10 team snake: That's very good value with Maclin and Moss where you picked them, but I tried drafting Jared Cook in one league last year and ended up with a revolving door at TE all year.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 06:05 |
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Team needs being equal, would you rather have Nick Toon or Mike Goodson as a dynasty option? I quite like Toon as a developmental prospect but I also like the odds of Darren McFadden getting hurt.
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| # ? Jul 2, 2012 12:23 |
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I'm surprised you guys are down on Lloyd. He's kind of what the Pats have been missing, a deep threat. He performed well in OTAs. Sure, there's a ton of mouths to feed, but I think Lloyd will get his. He's always thrived w/ McDaniels. His ADP (62, WR27 from FFCalc) is rather low as well, for a WR2 with WR1 upside.
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| # ? Jul 3, 2012 19:18 |
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BIGFOOT PEE BED posted:Team needs being equal, would you rather have Nick Toon or Mike Goodson as a dynasty option? I quite like Toon as a developmental prospect but I also like the odds of Darren McFadden getting hurt. I would go with Goodson but Toon wouldn't be a bad choice, either. I think this season you'll definitely get more out of Goodson and I tend to think developmental (in terms of value) RBs are worth more than developmental WRs in dynasty.
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| # ? Jul 3, 2012 19:24 |
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keldegar posted:I'm surprised you guys are down on Lloyd. He's kind of what the Pats have been missing, a deep threat. He performed well in OTAs. Sure, there's a ton of mouths to feed, but I think Lloyd will get his. He's always thrived w/ McDaniels. His ADP (62, WR27 from FFCalc) is rather low as well, for a WR2 with WR1 upside. The New England situation is an interesting one to try and project. You have to be careful that you don't overproject their WRs compared to what Brady will most likely end up with. Here's how I have it looking right now. Tom Brady: 5,056 yards, 39 TDs, 12 INTs Gronkowski: 89/1,192/13 Welker: 87/1,040/7 Lloyd: 77/989/6 Hernandez: 76/890/7 Branch: 36/476/3 Gaffney: 15/199/2 Running Backs: 37/287/1 Total receiving: 5,073 yards, 39 TDs
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| # ? Jul 3, 2012 19:54 |
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I have Tom Brady projected at 5,097 yards. How does one project something like this down to the yard?
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| # ? Jul 3, 2012 20:09 |
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89 posted:I have Tom Brady projected at 5,097 yards. I don't worry about getting it exact to the yard. I try to have the various receivers slightly higher than the QB because I dont really project for when a backup QB will come in and get some yards.
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| # ? Jul 3, 2012 20:13 |
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I'm hoping the Patriots defense is incredibly piss-poor again so Brady has to throw 5,000 yards just to barely win. This was also a big reason why Rodgers was so consistent (because the Packers defense was literally one of the worst)
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| # ? Jul 3, 2012 20:28 |
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Tae posted:I'm hoping the Patriots defense is incredibly piss-poor again so Brady has to throw 5,000 yards just to barely win. This was also a big reason why Rodgers was so consistent (because the Packers defense was literally one of the worst) Well this rule doesn't apply to Belichick. Even if they are winning by 30 points they'll still be throwing.
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| # ? Jul 3, 2012 21:12 |
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jerkstore77 posted:The New England situation is an interesting one to try and project. You have to be careful that you don't overproject their WRs compared to what Brady will most likely end up with. Here's how I have it looking right now. You know who Wes Welker is, right? The only way he is getting only 87 receptions is if a meteor hits the field during the Pat's 10th game.
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| # ? Jul 4, 2012 02:02 |
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Tae posted:I'm hoping the Patriots defense is incredibly piss-poor again so Brady has to throw 5,000 yards just to barely win. This was also a big reason why Rodgers was so consistent (because the Packers defense was literally one of the worst) I have to say for Rodgers, while he will have a great season, he might not be the top QB again this year. I mean his offense was historically efficient and good for most of last year. What was seen in the playoff game against the Giants is probably a more reasonable expectation.
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| # ? Jul 4, 2012 15:25 |
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extendedsolo posted:I What was seen in the playoff game against the Giants is probably a more reasonable expectation. That's an incredibly poor sample size. Rodgers was coming off two weeks of not playing, playing against the 2nd best pass rush in the entire league with a terrible o-line.
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| # ? Jul 4, 2012 15:31 |
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Tae posted:That's an incredibly poor sample size. Rodgers was coming off two weeks of not playing, playing against the 2nd best pass rush in the entire league with a terrible o-line. Ok bad example. I'm just saying he won't throw as many touchdowns as last year, will throw more interceptions, and won't have an godly passer rating. He'll still be a top 3 QB in the league though and for fantasy purposes.
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| # ? Jul 5, 2012 01:09 |
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You can probably say the same of any of the top 5 quarterbacks this year inasmuch as they all posted career numbers. Over the past three years Rodgers has been the first, second, and first ranked quarterback by fantasy points, has never really been hurt, and is still very young. If you want to bet that any QB is gonna score more fantasy points than Rodgers at 1:1 odds let me know.
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