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The plague mashups were a surprise success. Mantic just slapped the kits together with a small discount for halloween and they flew off the shelves as fast as they were bagged up. They're not planned to be a playable army in Warpath (the plague in Warpath is actually the plague in Deadzone) and the character was released just to give them some kind of a leader. You can see that it's almost just a quick conversion job for the Veermyn character. I spoke to one of the Mantic guys lately and they said that the majority of their sales come from zombies. As in GW's Space Marines compared to the rest of their catalogue level of sales. I'm quite excited for the miniatures from Deadzone. The plague lord looks fantastic:  All of the concepts and the sculpts so far have been top notch and I'm really interested in what the final terrain will look like (and be priced at). I'm not convinced about the game so far, just because I can't see a meaningful game taking place on a 2 foot square board with just an 8x8 grid on it. A 3x3 board would feel better, or if there were more squares on it. Will have to wait and see what the gameplay is actually like. Quite a few of us have been playing Kings of War using Universal Battle and skype. It works really well and we've got people playing most nights.
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It's fairly logical that Zombies would be their biggest seller. The GW ones are so terrible and twice the price, so every GW VC player will just go and buy Mantic ones. It'll be interesting to see what the big sellers are when the stuff from the KOW kickstarter hits the shelves. I've pledged for strike team for deadzone. I really like the look of the Rebs, the Enforcer troops (but not the captain) and the Plague Lord (and alternate 2nd gen sculpt they've just put up). Hard plastic terrain sprues are also a nice idea. The 2 x 2 play area could work well, depending on the rules. If you halved the weapon ranges in Necromunda you'd get an interesting close range skirmish game, but they'll be putting the rules up next week to have a look at. The DZ Kickstarter looks like it'll put a lot of Warpath figures into circulation as well as give Mantic a chance to develop the IP further.
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Apr 27, 2013 20:40
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Thundercloud posted:It's fairly logical that Zombies would be their biggest seller. The GW ones are so terrible and twice the price, so every GW VC player will just go and buy Mantic ones. The painted ogres looked fantastic at salute. They definitely look as good as, if not better than, the regular GW ogres. Not up to the character models or large plastic kits but certainly as good as the bulls. I'm not sure what the pricing will be like on them though. Mantic haven't got a restic large monster kit out yet to compare them to. Hopefully they'll be slightly cheaper, but might not be with the restic price tag. I've been told that the ranges in DZ are unlimited, so only limited by what you can actually see. With an 8x8 grid, I don't see a massive amount of line of sight blocking going on.
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Apr 27, 2013 20:57
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I'm pretty jaded on the zombie saturation pop culture's going through, but something about the Mantic sci-fi ones really made me want to pick up a box or two. It's the Quake II bio-mechanical look and the prospect of playing them in a persistent XP skirmish game. And that plague lord. He's really a thing I want to paint.
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Apr 28, 2013 03:30
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Just one? If it's possible to pose them differently I'll be taking two.
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Apr 28, 2013 12:49
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Well, if you're backing the kickstarter you get (at least) one 2nd Generation, too! I assume that's just a smaller plague lord? There's an alternate sculpt for the 2nd gen as well - but that's a stretch goal. (That they'll probably reach.)
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Well I didn't do the Kings of War or Bones Kickstarter (did do the Judge Dredd one though) and this is another one that looks like it'll be too good to miss out on. Already the basic faction boxes of six have turned into boxes of ten, with a bonus KS exclusive mercenary, and a paperback set of rules, five sprues of terrain and 41 miniatures for $147 is looking pretty good, and it's two days into the kickstarter. There's also a big temptation to use the Marauder Ripper suits as mega armoured nobz. You get two so far, and you'd need three for a squad....
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Thundercloud posted:Well I didn't do the Kings of War or Bones Kickstarter (did do the Judge Dredd one though) and this is another one that looks like it'll be too good to miss out on. That's what I'm doing. They're $10/£6.50 each compared to $22.25/£15 from GW. I've pledged for 10 extra but I suspect we might be able to get even more with stretch goals. There'll also be the usual ebay-dumps when the figures come through. Also someone's gone for the $5,000 level. That's just crazy.
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Apr 28, 2013 17:54
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Yeah, I'm eagerly awaiting the goods from the Kings of War Kickstarter and will be having a gay old time on eBay, especially seeing as some of the products won't even be out yet for the general public by the time the backers get their stuff. . . . I think Mantic have really cornered the market for "models that are totally not suitable for GW games, not at all. . ." with some of their armies. Undead being a great example: their skeletons are actually wearing armour for one thing! That, and I got 240 of them for just about £100, that's a great deal! Their most recent kickstarter might have piqued my interest, but I'm just too drat skint to afford to back more things at the moment. That plague lord is drat awesome though.
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May 3, 2013 19:09
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You can pick one up for $12. Or the plague starter with all the extras for $40.
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May 3, 2013 20:26
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That's a ridiculously reasonable price!  I may well throw some cash at them then, those Plague models look pretty funky, and the Kickstarter will still be running when my birthday comes up, so I may well be able to afford to throw something their way after all.
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If you don't want the digital rulebook it is $35. I'm hoping to see the kickstarter go really far. There are 29 days to go and already the $150 strike force is up to 45 miniatures, a deluxe 2 by 2 gaming mat and 6 sprues of scenery.
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May 4, 2013 09:18
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Actually, looking at that kickstarter, and their warpath range in general, I'm starting to think that their corporation and enforcer models would make better Imperial Guard troops than what GW is selling. . . .
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May 5, 2013 16:18
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My brother's IG is made up of the corporate dudes. They take melta guns pretty well.
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Xarlaxas posted:Actually, looking at that kickstarter, and their warpath range in general, I'm starting to think that their corporation and enforcer models would make better Imperial Guard troops than what GW is selling. . . . The models are brilliant. It's a pity they're not sprue plastic, but I'd be surprised if they didn't get hard plastic treatment within a year. The enforcers are already being made in hard plastic so the Corp won't be too far behind. The smaller boxes aren't much cheaper than GWs but the more you spend the better the deal. 10 Cadians £18 vs 10 Corp £15 20 Cadians £36 vs 20 Corp £25 3 Cadian Weapon Teams £24 vs 3 Corp Weapon Teams £15 Cadian Battleforce (25 Cadians + 3 Weapon Teams + Sentinel) £75 vs Corp Strike Force (58 Corp + 4 Weapons teams + Hero) £75
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May 5, 2013 18:34
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If I didn't already have a bunch of Cadians I'd be all over corporation as IG. You could use enforcers as stormtroopers. Is there a difference between the corporation veterans kit and the normal marines kit?
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May 5, 2013 19:17
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The vets come with nine special weapons, I think. I'm not a big fan of them.
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May 5, 2013 21:16
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Got my first Dwarf regiment finished after buying an army box on Saturday: I'm going to try and make the regiments look like they're in the middle of a battle rather than being on parade or marching. I've ordered a bunch of casualty packs from Perry Miniatures for victims.
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May 7, 2013 22:03
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Those dudes are pretty cool looking, as far as Dwarves go. I definitely like the fact that you base the models on a regiment level.
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May 20, 2013 21:28
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Yeah I want to do that too now, but I already stuck half my kings of war guys to individual bases. Gonna have to hack those bases apart I think.
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May 20, 2013 22:00
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Dead Zone kickstarter has now beaten $500,000 and the strike ($150 level) pledge nets you between 58 and 66 models plus seven scenery sprues and a deluxe 2 by 2 mat. Totally worth it.
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May 20, 2013 22:48
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Thundercloud posted:Dead Zone kickstarter has now beaten $500,000 and the strike ($150 level) pledge nets you between 58 and 66 models plus seven scenery sprues and a deluxe 2 by 2 mat. Amen. I've found with KoW, WP, and Dreadball that on the surfacw it looks like a GW rip, but underneath is a nice and smooth system that only mocks GW in form but not function. I recommend trying at least Dreadball out. Deadzone is a stupid good deal even if it's just for the terrain.
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Feeple posted:Amen. I've found with KoW, WP, and Dreadball that on the surfacw it looks like a GW rip, but underneath is a nice and smooth system that only mocks GW in form but not function. This is pretty much my take on it all. I very, very rarely have to refer to the rulebook for anything other than stats. It's amazing how much page flipping and "playing the rulebook" you need to do for GW games, even for veterans. The games just play themselves. I made mockups of the deadzone terrain tiles in Sketchup (link) and someones gone ahead and done mockups of what the terrain makes:    Each battlezone is $25 and for the $95 terrain pledge you easily get enough terrain for a 6x4 board with some spacing out. This doesn't even include the accessories sprue yet. Going up from that gets you bigger, taller buildings and more. I'm pretty sure the equivalent Cities of Death terrain from GW would get you less than half of that amount of terrain. Less if you want intact buildings.
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I think it is a bit bland and crappy. Lumbering Troll's designs blow it out of the water. If you are only going for the terrain then I think there are better options out there maybe. I'm a bit of a mantic fan too. Having said that, I think this will be really successful for them. I just think squares can only be so interesting.
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May 21, 2013 21:26
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Big Willy Style posted:I just think squares can only be so interesting. Hexagons though, hexagons are infinitely interesting.
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Big Willy Style posted:I think it is a bit bland and crappy. Lumbering Troll's designs blow it out of the water. If you are only going for the terrain then I think there are better options out there maybe. I'm a bit of a mantic fan too. Having said that, I think this will be really successful for them. I just think squares can only be so interesting. I've only really skimmed the alpha rules - are the squares actually for movement, or are they just there to break down how a model interacts with cover? I got the impression they were more like zones.
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I have to say I am severely disappointed with Mantic over the Kings of War kickstarter. Pledgers have been left completely in the dark as to how a majority of the sculpts look, and those we have seen don't fill me with confidence. List of problems as I see it - - Celestian Cat Cavalry (now Basilean Cat Cavalry) was going to be monstrous cavalry sized. Now it's regular sized, and looks like a cat horse hybrid. I had upped my pledge to a high level to get a bundle of these, now I can't use them at all (in addition to their sculpts looking like poo poo). - Mummies went from a shambling looking clawed creature, to what is now a failed undead Revenant sculpt plastered over with 'bandages', and shoved out at us. - Brock riders are no longer beserk looking dwarves, and the fur on the brock looks like it was sculpted from blu-tack rather than green stuff. - Basilean sisters changed from being awesome looking warrior nuns to generic looking robed females, with the disappointing side effect of their body proportions being way out of size (arms way too long and at odd angles, necks too long, plastic surgery looking faces, only two stances for legs and upper torso, flails held badly in addition to a static sculpt having a whipping flail head which looks out of place) - Trolls have hands bigger than their heads, yet legs so tiny they could fit on an orc. Look massively out of proportion in comparison to the initial sculpt - Paladins on foot have big hand/long arm syndrome, much like the sisters. Look better than them though, but massively out of proportion to what a lot of the other Mantic sculpts are like. - Werewolves have massive ungainly hands, but that's not so bad. Huge nipples, but they're easily fixed, legs still too weedy. - Ogres look good! Unfortunately, you were getting them as a buy one get one free for $25, which gave you 6 of them, hinting they would be $25 for 3 regularly. The recent price list given has them at $29.99 retail for 6. So that's only a 16.5% discount in comparison to other miniatures in the line. So it would have actually been cheaper to wait for them to go on regular sale and get them through a discounter who will likely offer 20+% off. Lame. These are the problems identified thus far. I am guessing as more time goes on, more and more sculpts will come out and also be shown to be very lackluster. I was only pledged at a small amount to get the KoW hardback rulebook. When I heard about the Cat Cavalry and all the other cool stuff being released for the Celestians, I pledged to $225. Now I am stuck. I hate the sisters, the paladins are 'eh', I don't think the mounted paladins will be much different, and so I am really hoping beyond hope that the plastic sprue of Men-At-Arms is really really good else I have just pledged for nothing. Most of the freebies I get won't see any use, or won't be wanted because they look terrible. And I still have $195 worth of choices to make, since what I want has definitely changed since I made my initial pledge for a bunch of Celestians. I am likely to use most of that to buy in Men-At-Arms if they're good, as they can be used as Empire Troops. Everything else? Not really. Why get the ogres now at the price they are offering when I could get them from a discounter at a much better price? But that leaves the problem of what if the Men-At-Arms suck? Then I am really screwed as they might be my only option. I am a huge Mantic fan. They got me back into the gaming scene with their undead. However, if this is how they are going to treat their kickstarter customers, by showing artwork for one thing then delivering something completely different, then I don't think I will pledge for any of their kickstarters in the future. It's just not worth it. Expect to see buttloads of a lot of these terribly sculpted miniatures on ebay once they've been delivered. If you don't care about how things look and just want bodies, you could clean up nicely.
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Well, that certainly has me questioning my sizeable pledge to Deadzone. Have there been any problems of that magnitude with Dreadball at all?
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Send a message to Mantic, I'm sure they'll give you a refund. We're already seeing most of the Deadzone sculpts, so I wouldn't worry.
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The Dark Project posted:List of problems as I see it - Where are you seeing these? I've only seen a handful of photos online, but they looked ok to me.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Send a message to Mantic, I'm sure they'll give you a refund. Seeing the new Marauder Sculpts just instilled me with a lot more confidence, though I'm thinking of holding off on the EU Bundle until we know/see a bit more.
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Here's a good website which has most of the newer sculpts put there to see what's on offer. Their latest shot of the Ogre is good. Fight Wagon for Orcs looks reasonable enough, and the Goblin Mincer is actually pretty cool, so that's a win. Again, my problem is I don't really want any of those miniatures so... As for a refund, I will see when more of the sculpts are to hand. If the Men at Arms are good, I should be ok (I am going to have a fuckload of them though).
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Gravy Train Robber posted:Seeing the new Marauder Sculpts just instilled me with a lot more confidence, though I'm thinking of holding off on the EU Bundle until we know/see a bit more. I so sick of Orks but I am really digging these sculpts, especially the little hats.
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Does anyone know how the add-ons work? Like say I want that Asterian/Forge Father bundle and that's it. Do I just donate the 50 bucks and fill out the pledge manager whenever it comes?
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TarDolphinorShark posted:Does anyone know how the add-ons work? Like say I want that Asterian/Forge Father bundle and that's it. Do I just donate the 50 bucks and fill out the pledge manager whenever it comes? Pretty sure the add ons require a $5 P&P if you haven't selected a reward level, but essentially yes, just make a pledge for $55 then when the campaign is done, you'll receive a questionnaire to ask how you want to spend your $55
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May 24, 2013 13:12
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Great, thanks! So I guess I just select no reward for now and wait for the pledge manager.
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Yeah, I can see where you're coming from on those troll legs and the mummies. They're not awful sculpts, but the style definitely went in a weird direction. The other figures look like good models suffering a combination of bad paint / photos. Don't give up on them just yet! (But if you do, sell me your nuns.) e: The arms that aren't holding double handed weapons definitely need about 2mm cut off the shoulders before they're attached, but I'll likely be using these as Repentia instead of GW's skeevy S&M nuns. moths fucked around with this message at 14:18 on May 24, 2013 |
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Update from Mantic regarding the BOGOF/RRP situation:quote:Hi guys, James here. Sorry in advance if this explanation doesn't *quite* make grammatical sense - bear with me Seems a bit strange that they're only doing it if you specifically ask them to, but the offer is there.
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Yeah, it should come in regardless if you ask for it or not. But in any case, 9 instead of 6 is a much better offer. If it turns out the Men-at-Arms suck completely, I might have an Ogre army coming my way. Edit: Aaand with the Men-at-arms sculpts being revealed, I am now an Ogre player it seems. Sad. The Dark Project fucked around with this message at 19:02 on May 24, 2013 |
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Just been looking at the deadzone kickstarter again, noticed 2 of the recon early birds have opened up so changed my reward to nab 1 of the 2 available and save myself $10, hurrah! 
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