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Rocketlex posted:I don't know why Ed made The Bloat so much harder than any of the other bosses on that level. Honestly, he wouldn't be that bad at all if he telegraphed his laser attack more clearly. He has the same problem as Krampus where his laser attack gives you an unreasonably short amount of time to react. At least Krampus screams loudly right before firing and you can just react to that, with Bloat you just can't stand in front of him or to the side because you're hosed. Of course, once you know that he's not so bad, he just gets annoying when he's near the top wall and you have to angle your shots.
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Rocketlex posted:I don't know why Ed made The Bloat so much harder than any of the other bosses on that level. Honestly, he wouldn't be that bad at all if he telegraphed his laser attack more clearly. He has the same problem as Krampus where his laser attack gives you an unreasonably short amount of time to react. Krampus's firing animation is significantly slower than the Bloat's though. If you're sharp you can bait it and dodge. You can't really do that with Bloat unless you have maxed Speed or something - at which point you run into issues with overrunning stuff because of the stupid stupid sliding/inertia thing. He just fires nigh instantly.
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Jun 23, 2012 01:55
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Krampus also has a visual cue, his face kinda distorts, with bloat its just instant, if you come in on from the left, right or bottom when entering the room, you'll get hit instantly with no time to react.
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Jun 23, 2012 01:59
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Alteisen posted:Krampus also has a visual cue, his face kinda distorts, with bloat its just instant, if you come in on from the left, right or bottom when entering the room, you'll get hit instantly with no time to react. That's where the "OH GOD gently caress EVERYTHING WHY" part came from, yeah. For the record, I ended up losing that run because I got too greedy with Guppy's Paw and too gutsy with We Have To Go Deeper.
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Jun 23, 2012 02:02
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I never use We Have to go Deeper. Ever. I just don't want to risk missing super awesome boss loot.
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Jun 23, 2012 02:09
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Rocketlex posted:I never use We Have to go Deeper. Ever. I just don't want to risk missing super awesome boss loot. It was a challenge, I just wanted it to be over as soon as possible  Which brings up the question: If the end of a challenge is, say, Mom or Mom's Heart, can you use the Shovel to bypass her and end it or does it just break the whole thing?
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Jun 23, 2012 02:10
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Color Printer posted:It was a challenge, I just wanted it to be over as soon as possible For the achievements, you can use the shovel to skip the first half of the womb but not mom's heart. I imagine it's the same way with the challenges.
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Jun 23, 2012 02:15
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I wonder if you use the shovel on an XL level, do you automatically get the respective no damage achievement?
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Jun 23, 2012 02:26
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Torsade de Pointes posted:I wonder if you use the shovel on an XL level, do you automatically get the respective no damage achievement? No, because those achievements depend on killing the 2nd floor boss to unlock them so skipping both bosses would negate the challenge.
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Jun 23, 2012 02:38
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Crotch Bat posted:No, because those achievements depend on killing the 2nd floor boss to unlock them so skipping both bosses would negate the challenge. Flip side, you can use the shovel to skip Basement 1 / Caves 1 / Depths 1 / Womb 1, then pop an Emperor card on the second floor. Kill the boss without getting hit, there's your achievement. EDIT: Oh hey maybe a livestream over here later at 9 PM PDT. Xaiter fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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Jun 23, 2012 03:00
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SporkTSI posted:I guess I missed goatse on my many playthroughs, could someone post a screenshot? Color Printer posted:Supposedly that's Gluttony, or those little headless Glutton...ies. I don't know, those always looked like walking, blood spewing vaginas to me. 
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Jun 23, 2012 03:07
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No, it's okay, game, I love those little chub-firing gluttons. I'm very thankful you took that into consideration and gave me three consecutive rooms in the Catacombs filled with those guys. I was filled with glee when I finally died (because I didn't have to worry about them anymore seriously what the hell). I don't know why, but I consider those guys to be worse than the ones that fire the blood streams. EDIT: I clear a room in the Cellar with one heart left and a Mega Troll Bomb drops. Really? What did I do so bad to piss off the RNG, holy poo poo? And yet I keep playing anyways 
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Jun 23, 2012 03:58
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Despite getting Bloat and two Super Lusts in an empty room in my first three chest rooms and having to beat literally every enemy inside the chest to find the boss door, I beat the chest with Cain in the first attempt I found the polaroid on since the update. Two things: - If anyone's run into the item they unlocked after beating ??? with Cain, what was it? I know it should be his eye, but I also know those unlocks are kinda bugged right now. Cycling through my achievements didn't turn up any of them, but I went from 79 to 80 secrets unlocked. - Does anyone know exactly how The Nail changed? It acted like a Book of Revelations for me when I got it in a devil room, but I don't know if picking it up kept any passive effects. E: Going for the second chest run (Eve this time) I found a golden pile of poop, and after shooting it down a counterfeit penny dropped. This is definitely new to me. Power of Pecota fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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Jun 23, 2012 05:52
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:For those curious your bullets can get pretty big in this game. Here's a run I had vs the final final boss! Not the bottom left corner.  I have to finish this, that made me extremely curious. Incidently, is it still possible to fight Triachnid?
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Jun 23, 2012 06:02
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Anatharon posted:Not the bottom left corner. Yeah, he's a unlockable boss for completing a endgame level 15 times. I just fought him in the womb/utero.
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Jun 23, 2012 06:14
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Power of Pecota posted:- Does anyone know exactly how The Nail changed? It acted like a Book of Revelations for me when I got it in a devil room, but I don't know if picking it up kept any passive effects. I don't remember it being changed. It works like the Book of Revelations with a couple additions. You gain 1 damage, lose 1 speed, and can break rocks by walking over them for the duration of the room you are in when you activate it. It doesn't confer any permanent stat boosts. At least, I think that's how it used to be too.
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Jun 23, 2012 06:51
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Power of Pecota posted:Despite getting Bloat and two Super Lusts in an empty room in my first three chest rooms and having to beat literally every enemy inside the chest to find the boss door, I beat the chest with Cain in the first attempt I found the polaroid on since the update. The unlocks are messed up. I know that Isaac, Maggy and I think Samson are normal but I believe the other 4 unlock a different secret than it should. As long as you get all 7 you'll have everything you need. And golden poop does that stuff, yea. Oddly enough I saw it like 3 times in 1 run before the 1.333 patch and that's been it for me. I've never seen it since in any run.
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Jun 23, 2012 07:19
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Brimstone's still busted. It fires now, but if you press to charge again while it's firing (which, if you've ever used it before you will) it interrupts the beam. Much harder to use, fucks you up constantly. Just completely destroyed a random Eve run I had. Hilariously, before that on an Eve run, I died in the caves with the Ankh, then proceed to get the Nail, the Battery, the Habit and the Polaroid. Because I was originally Eve I had Whore of Babylon on constantly, and I completely steamrolled the Chest. I've never, ever, ever gotten a combo like that with ??? ever. And now I never have to play as him again. 
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Jun 23, 2012 07:28
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Color Printer posted:No, it's okay, game, I love those little chub-firing gluttons. I'm very thankful you took that into consideration and gave me three consecutive rooms in the Catacombs filled with those guys. I was filled with glee when I finally died (because I didn't have to worry about them anymore seriously what the hell). I know why. There's a hard limit to how many objects the human brain can track at the same time. With a room full of Chub Goatses that limit is exceeded, and it literally becomes impossible to cope. It also takes longer for the Chubs to go back up their arses than the blood streams last, so they restrict your movement for longer.
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Is anyone else noticing a lot of repeat rooms? I just had a promising Maggy playthrough destroyed in the catacombs because I got a room with six of the chub-shooting vis and a huge plus-formation of rocks in the middle keeping me from moving diagonally. And then I got that same room another three times. Why do you hate me so much, RNG?
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Jun 23, 2012 16:24
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cruelangeleo7 posted:Is anyone else noticing a lot of repeat rooms? I just had a promising Maggy playthrough destroyed in the catacombs because I got a room with six of the chub-shooting vis and a huge plus-formation of rocks in the middle keeping me from moving diagonally. And then I got that same room another three times. Why do you hate me so much, RNG? Yeah I've been seeing it happen a lot more since the last patch, it used to be a rarity.
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Jun 23, 2012 16:42
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Color Printer posted:I don't know why, but I consider those guys to be worse than the ones that fire the blood streams.
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Jun 23, 2012 17:54
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Ugh, I'm starting to hate the game. In all my good runs I never manage to find the polaroid anymore and Fortune telling machines blow up a lot more it seems without dropping any trinkets.
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Things I just discovered: 1: Horseman heads are really hard to hit with the Epic Fetus because they love to charge around. 2: It is really hard to escape from a room that has two loving Widows hopping around. 3: The game likes to spawn Horseman heads and Widows in Cathedral. 4: gently caress EVERYTHING Color Printer fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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Jun 23, 2012 18:16
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Roberto_Silencio posted:I don't know, those always looked like walking, blood spewing vaginas to me. I have to agree with this. I mean, it kind of works with a menstruation visual, which would fit right in with the game's theme. It doesn't help that the stump where their heads should be only adds to the similarity. (At the same time, the way they pull themselves open to spew out the laser is incredeibly reminiscent of the Goatse grab.)
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Jun 23, 2012 18:17
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Sitting here at the car shop bored to death, I wonder why the hell this isn't on the ipad or something yet. Seems like it'd be a brilliant fit 
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Jun 23, 2012 18:37
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Ciaphas posted:Sitting here at the car shop bored to death, I wonder why the hell this isn't on the ipad or something yet. Seems like it'd be a brilliant fit They were gonna port it to the 3DS, but it fell through. Nintendo objected to it because of "religious" content.
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Color Printer posted:Things I just discovered: I think this has been in the game from the very beginning.
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Jun 23, 2012 19:00
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Ciaphas posted:Sitting here at the car shop bored to death, I wonder why the hell this isn't on the ipad or something yet. Seems like it'd be a brilliant fit It's in flash. Even apple supported it properly it takes unnecessary computing power.
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Jun 23, 2012 19:15
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Is that dead cat anything other than a drawn-out death sentence if you're not otherwise invulnerable? I got all the way to Mom with it after opening a gold chest in a corner and having it thrust upon me, but no soul hearts means no chance. I got to skip three item rooms that run, and it would have been four had I not picked up Mark Of The Vampire for the hairdo :downsclap:
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Jun 23, 2012 19:17
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Looks like the invulnerability bug is rearing its beautiful head for me again. Thanks for the Maggy win!
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Color Printer posted:1: Horseman heads are really hard to hit with the Epic Fetus because they love to charge around. Their charge tends to follow a pattern, usually something like Middle, Top, Bottom. Notice the pattern, and then just aim the bomb a second or two before they start the run on that row.
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Xaiter posted:Flip side, you can use the shovel to skip Basement 1 / Caves 1 / Depths 1 / Womb 1, then pop an Emperor card on the second floor. Kill the boss without getting hit, there's your achievement. I used it on my third play through on womb 2 out of curiosity to see what would happen. It put me straight into Sheol even though I hadn't unlocked it yet.  The RNG hates me so bad still. When I'm playing legit my runs are always terrible and nothing drops ever, and when I use the CE to give myself infinite health I'm suddenly overflowing with coins, keys and bombs. 
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limited posted:I used it on my third play through on womb 2 out of curiosity to see what would happen. You can get to Sheol without "unlocking" it, you just have to get lucky and have a devil room spawn on Womb 2 with the same odds as it showing up on any other floor. After 10 mom deaths it's guaranteed to appear there though edit: Not really sure when the Cathedral entrance starts spawning but I'm pretty sure it's impossible to get there before 10 mom deaths and after that point it's... maybe guaranteed? Again, unsure goferchan fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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Jun 23, 2012 21:10
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Am I the only one that thinks Isaac (and presumably ???) are simply too powerful? I just lost yet another character to Isaac that would have absolutely steamrolled Satan. It feels like you need a really specific setup to beat him. I think he could really do with, at the very least, less health.
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Jun 23, 2012 21:11
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They're both really easy though? The difficulty comes from the rooms before it.
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It really hinges on your damage output. If you have extremely fast, low damage shots then you're going to lose because of how long it's going to take to kill him with constant counter tears from him.
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Jun 23, 2012 21:55
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Raptor1033 posted:It really hinges on your damage output. If you have extremely fast, low damage shots then you're going to lose because of how long it's going to take to kill him with constant counter tears from him. By the same token, my last successful run was The Purist. Picked up Epic Fetus on Basement 1; and from there it seemed like I got nothing but the map, compass, and a full rack of hearts. Got the Polaroid without even trying and left the chest with a Full Health pill in tow. Always nice to unlock three things in one go.
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