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That reminds me-- during the NorthernLion/Edmund co-commentary a few months before WOTL came out, Edmund discussed some terrible/unfun items (The Bean/Lemon Mishap) and said that there would be better, not-horrible versions in the expansion. This resulted in the holy water vial and the Black Bean. That's fine, both of those are marked improvements from their original versions. Why keep the bad versions, then? It seems nonsensical to introduce new items built on the assumption that several of your old items were mistakes, and then leave the mistakes in unaltered as well.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 05:40 |
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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Best Samson run so far. I don't know why, but I have better luck with him than I do with Cain. It's absurd. X-Ray Vision + Transcendence on the first floor. Mitre on the second floor, providing a steady stream of soul hearts to keep me alive. Devil deal for the Luck Foot. I proceed to have 0 keys through Necropolis I, where I have four gold chests and nothing but four coins and a slot machine. Slot machine blows up and gives me a dollar. I get an Arcade on Necropolis 2, and by the time I'm ready to face Mom, I've gone from 99 cents, 6 bombs and 0 keys up to 99 cents, 99 bombs and 50+ keys. The slot machine blew up into ANOTHER dollar. Then Womb II I completely ruin things with yet another arcade and no less than four slot machines on the floor, two fortune tellers (luck foot has them spewing out trinkets and soul hearts like candy) and tarot cards littering the floor. I find the Habit two rooms before Isaac in the Cathedral, and it doesn't even matter, my soul hearts are off the screen as it is. I forgot to count how many via bombs, but when I killed Isaac I had a ton of stuff. My fire rate was insane, and the only thing holding me back was more damage. Range too I guess, but everything died too quick for it to matter.  
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 06:11 |
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RoboCicero posted:I love the candle. Favorite activatable item for sure, even if other ones can break the game in half if you pick up the Habit. I'm not sure why the Bean and Lemon Mishap aren't on a similar timer system. They'd be much less catastrophically useless at least. The Bean isn't really that bad. It was the only active I ever found on one of my most successful runs and it served me pretty well. It's on a single room recharge, which means every single room you get a free poison that will probably kill or nearly kill two or three enemies on its own. It's not crazy good or anything, but that's fairly useful.
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Iretep posted:Are you using the mouse to target with epic fetus? Because with a mouse it shouldnt be hard to shoot and move targets. The pro way to use Epic Fetus is the arrow keys. I use a trackpad though, so V  VTheGame posted:That reminds me-- during the NorthernLion/Edmund co-commentary a few months before WOTL came out, Edmund discussed some terrible/unfun items (The Bean/Lemon Mishap) and said that there would be better, not-horrible versions in the expansion. This resulted in the holy water vial and the Black Bean. That's fine, both of those are marked improvements from their original versions. I would rather have Lemon Mishap than Holy Water, at least it doesn't screw up familiars. I never pick either of them up.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 06:39 |
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Decisions, decisions. (I ended up taking it)
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 07:06 |
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I had my first successful run with ??? last night. I got the Mitre early, then Mom's Pearl, then the Crystal Ball, so I was pretty much swimming in soul hearts. I also got Transcendence early, then made a deal for Whore of Babylon. I still hate playing him, though. Then again, I'm apparently in the minority that actually enjoys playing Eve more (I do have some insane luck when I play her, though).
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 07:56 |
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TheGame posted:No, but then again I didn't say '3-4x as many enemies in every room.' Nor did I. If you've played the game enough to have a worthwhile opinion about it, and I'm assuming you have, you'll know that all the monsters I named can appear up to 8 times in a room. Adding one more monster won't appreciably increase the difficulty to most rooms, but adding more than one to those rooms would make them awful and no fun at all.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 09:28 |
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You seem intent to linger on the details of my post (or rather, one particular detail that I never defined) and not, as I keep pointing out, the spirit of it. After that last explanation you can't believe that I'm suggesting that there be 12 ball-crushingly difficult enemies in every room. I was just suggesting that there are probably cool things that curses can do.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 12:18 |
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Finally got that magic Eve run I needed to complete the game and get platinum god. Now I can go back to playing the way I want to. I don't have to pass up my favourite spacebar items just to carry around the Book of Revelations or the Nail. Speaking of which, what are everyone's favourite spacebar items for fun? When I'm not trying to get achievements, I have a personal rule to never pass up the Deck of Cards no matter what I'm carrying at the time. I also like the Teleporter, D20, Dad's Key and Best Friend.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 12:52 |
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Only one achievement holding me back from getting Platinum God, and it's no-damage the Depths. I'm hosed. On the other hand, I've spent less than $10 on this game and put more time into it than I put into Skyrim, so... totally worth it.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 14:19 |
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psivamp posted:Only one achievement holding me back from getting Platinum God, and it's no-damage the Depths. I'm hosed. Just play until you get both an emperor card and a Depths XL. TA DA!
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 14:31 |
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CJacobs posted:
Ipecac runs are always hilariously easy until you run into a room full of those fast Globlins. Then you are doomed.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 14:43 |
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RoboCicero posted:I love the candle. Favorite activatable item for sure, even if other ones can break the game in half if you pick up the Habit. I'm not sure why the Bean and Lemon Mishap aren't on a similar timer system. They'd be much less catastrophically useless at least. That would make them not make them not seem like a wasted treasure room, but it would just open the door for people whining for nearly every activated item to have a time-delay rather than room-delay.
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MrC posted:Ipecac runs are always hilariously easy until you run into a room full of those fast Globlins. Then you are doomed. Just shoot the door and leave if they're too much trouble 
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MrC posted:Ipecac runs are always hilariously easy until you run into a room full of those fast Globlins. Then you are doomed. You have to wag your dick in the face of death to beat them. Ipecac will detonate on walls so you have Goblins chase you around, vomit at the wall and turn in such a way that you miss the explosion but they get hit. It's a huge pain but becomes easy after your fifth straight room of those poo poo bags. Lord help you if Mom spawns three of them at a time...
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 15:02 |
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Greed heads and zombies both have way way too much loving health. It is not more fun to spend a much longer time shooting your enemies. Even at base damage, nothing should take more than ten shots to kill.
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I swear to God, Lust has rubberband speed when she's chasing you. It doesn't help when you're in an open area and Wrath's bombs loving propel her into me at high speeds god gently caress that room in the Chest 
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Color Printer posted:I swear to God, Lust has rubberband speed when she's chasing you. The enemies that chase you all do that. I had a Globin in its pre-death form (mush?) fly across the room diagonally and get stuck behind two rocks. I had no bombs and it was impossible to time my attacks to kill it through the rocks. 
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 20:35 |
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Oh so Platinum God requires getting all the secrets, too? I thought it was just 100% of the items. I guess I'll never get that ever. 
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 20:36 |
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Finally beat the chest with Eve! Now I never have to play as her ever again. Platinum God checklist:
You can get Guppy during the 9 lives challenge, right? e: well that was fast Van Kraken fucked around with this message at Aug 8, 2012 around 02:51 |
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For gently caress's sake. I'd literally just killed ??? as Eve – using the knife no less, which is a weapon I don't really like as a rule – when a loving angel baby teleports on top of me, killing me. gently caress you, WotL. gently caress you long and hard with a vaguely phallus-shaped pile of rusty, crooked nails.
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Slime posted:Wait...I did the 9 lives challenge, which unlocked...guppy's tail? I'm pretty sure I've seen that a few times already. I think it's a similar situation as Blood Lust; Blood Lust is available in Item Rooms and Guppy's Tail from red chests before they're unlocked, but the unlocks make them available in the Devil Room as well.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 23:49 |
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Well, I finally got Guppy—then Red Mom appeared during my Dark Boy run. 
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KataraniSword posted:I think it's a similar situation as Blood Lust; Blood Lust is available in Item Rooms and Guppy's Tail from red chests before they're unlocked, but the unlocks make them available in the Devil Room as well. I swear I've picked up Bloody Lust from an item room after I unlocked it.
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I think you're misreading the post you quoted. He's saying that you can find Bloody Lust in the item room even before it's unlocked. After you unlock it, it will appear in the Devil Room in addition to the item room.
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Van Kraken posted:Well, I finally got Guppy—then Red Mom appeared during my Dark Boy run. Is that the one that pretty much only stomps? I love that version.
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apophenium posted:Is that the one that pretty much only stomps? I love that version. It wasn't the stomping but the fact that her eye shoots. I dodged right into her arm. I had the dead cat though, the next try was perfect! 
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| # ? Aug 8, 2012 05:11 |
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The shop was just selling a quarter. "Sure, I'll take 10 free cents!"
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Van Kraken posted:Finally beat the chest with Eve! Now I never have to play as her ever again. The only good run I've ever had with Eve involved the Bible and Habit, basically giving her infinite soul hearts on top of a half heart curse out.
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| # ? Aug 8, 2012 05:21 |
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 are you serious
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| # ? Aug 8, 2012 05:49 |
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Monicro posted:
The facial expression from Meat sells it.
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| # ? Aug 8, 2012 05:53 |
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I just cleared the Chest with Eve for the first time, but unlocked Judas' Tongue, which was already unlocked. Did I waste my time?
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| # ? Aug 8, 2012 09:12 |
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no it still counts as an Eve win. Thank god
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| # ? Aug 8, 2012 10:51 |
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I just had a Xaiter-level broken bomb themed run with Maggie. First I got A Pony in Basement 1, which was nice. But then I got Fetus in a Jar, followed by Mr. Mega, Bobby Bomb, and Ouija board. Even without the Pony bug I was practically invincible, though the meat boys with eyes seem to have a bug where they're intangible as far as bombs are concerned (meaning they don't collide with bombs, the explosion still hits them) if there's only one left in the room. I had an emperor card and was all ready to cheese Satan, but unfortunately I didn't get invited to Sheol.
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| # ? Aug 8, 2012 12:49 |
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 Kids, don't use random teleports in the Chest. Not that it mattered since I'd basically already wasted ??? (via Emperor teleport) with a variety of items such as Sad Onion, The Pact, Squeezy, Tough Love, and a million Tears Up pills from Mom's Pill Bottle, with gamed Whore of Babylon thrown on top for good measure (just checking now, had 4 extra Soul Hearts on top of what's visible). Up until Mom I had Cancer which made it even more absurd. Demon Baby wasn't picked up until the first room I checked after killing ??? and then Telepills put me in there (note the minimap, it's Navaash fucked around with this message at Aug 9, 2012 around 05:27 |
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I swear I felt the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. That was so ridiculously close, made even better when you consider that's the amount of health I CAME INTO THE ROOM WITH.
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| # ? Aug 8, 2012 21:06 |
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I'm working through ??? kills with everyone and I just got it with Maggy. The main items were ipecac and the pony, and thanks to 3 range down pills was actually useful. I took a crapton of damage against Isaac and I struggle through the Chest. A room before the boss room a joker card is spawned. It's the God room. With the Sacred Heart. Homing ipecac is amazing.
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Navaash posted:(note the minimap, it's obviously the Devil room but with no means of escape). No it isn't, Joker cards and Red Chest devil/god room teleports work as normal in the chest (the left hand and guppy's tail proves it)
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| # ? Aug 8, 2012 23:38 |
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Auuuuugh Luck Up pill in the rotation, portable slot machine, portable blood bag, and the luck foot... ...Hell is when you get everything you wish for. I may need an intervention. I can't stop gambling. I'll get that other eternal heart or that fortune teller card soon, I just know it! E: Got that second eternal heart, now sitting on seven full health pills and two more luck up pills (I'm pretty sure I'm at max luck already). And this is in addition to Epic Fetus. I, uh. I really want a fortune telling machine, but I think it's time to not be playing anymore. Shady Amish Terror fucked around with this message at Aug 9, 2012 around 00:55 |
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The left hand actually seems like a really bad trinket. I just had a run with maximum luck and the left hand and it was spawning red chests on what seemed like 2 thirds of the rooms. I noticed that it never dropped any of the red chests that contained items or the teleport to the devil room. I think the ones that drop randomly only give you live bombs, troll bombs, spiders and spirit hearts. I don't think it's worth it.
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