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Jose Mengelez posted:This looks great, Dredd looks just like the early Mike Mcmahon B/W strips. people saying the city looks sparse need to look again, at first glance it looks like some skyscrapers with sort of shanty town/slums sprawling around them but if you look closer you'll see the 'small buildings' are regular cityblock sized towers and the 'large buildings' are colossal megacity "bloks". As CG future cities go it's fairly nice and it communicates 'bleak' more succinctly than some wondrous multi-tiered neon dream-scape. It's more present day slums taken to massive size scale while the comics went with a more cyber-punk futuristic feel.
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Nutsngum posted:To clarify, is this film actually shot entirely in 3D or simply post produced? It's shot in 3D.
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Analrapist posted:Am I the only one who'd love to see a film adaptation of Strontium Dogs? The storyline in that 2000AD series was amazing in how emotionally gripping and deep it was, the story of Johhny Alpha, time bombs, Wulf Sternhammer, the Gronk... so much cool stuff just begging to be crammed into a big-budget film. Alas, I doubt it'll ever see the light of day. There is an unknown 2000AD movie in some stage of development, Rogue Trooper and Button Man are already known, but this has to be either Strontium Dog or Slaine.
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So I just read the script for this and had a very very strong reaction and a big question. I checked the CineD rules thread and there weren't any guidelines there about discussing leaked scripts for upcoming movies, but I absolutely don't want to start yakking about the script if it's bad form. Would posting my reaction and asking the question be okay, provided it's all in a spoiler block?
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Jonny Angel posted:So I just read the script for this and had a very very strong reaction and a big question. I checked the CineD rules thread and there weren't any guidelines there about discussing leaked scripts for upcoming movies, but I absolutely don't want to start yakking about the script if it's bad form. Would posting my reaction and asking the question be okay, provided it's all in a spoiler block? Pretty sure that unless you've signed an NDA you should be okay, especially since the film just screened at Comic Con. But if you want to be certain, you should ask Professor Clumsy.
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Also, please make sure to use spoiler tags. Not all of us were able to go to comic con, what with living in not-USA or even not-Northern Hemisphere so it would be a real dick thing to do to not bother with them. It's just the polite thing to do, thanks.
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Vagabundo posted:Also, please make sure to use spoiler tags. Not all of us were able to go to comic con, what with living in not-USA or even not-Northern Hemisphere so it would be a real dick thing to do to not bother with them. It's just the polite thing to do, thanks. Well he already specified that he would use spoilers. But yeah, I don't think anyone in the thread was even at the screening, so untagged spoilers are a big no-no.
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Bugblatter posted:Well he already specified that he would use spoilers. But yeah, I don't think anyone in the thread was even at the screening, so untagged spoilers are a big no-no. I'm sure he won't, but there are also some real idiots with no impulse control. I had some of Cabin in the Woods ruined by an over-exited idiot in the poster thread, for example.
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Okay watch out these are spoilers. If you want to go unspoiled, this is a bad post to read, since among other things it contains a brief direct transcript from an important scene near the film's end. Keep in mind, though, that this is coming from a leaked script posted in 2010, and some changes may have occurred since then, but the plot, characters, and all the lines in the trailer are present in the script, so it seems quite authentic. It's incredibly misogynist, probably the most misogynist thing I've read in a long time. The character of Ma-Ma is a collection of "holy poo poo isn't it scary when women are in a position of authority and sexual liberation?" reactions. She's a former prostitute who rose to power by biting a crime lord's dick off, she has porno stills all over her apartment walls (some of them featuring herself), and her name is literally Ma-Ma. It really really plays to male fears about matriarchy or misandry or whatever they're calling it now. It's also combined with a lot of appearance-based shaming. I'm inclined to say that the latter has mostly been taken out, since they cast Lena Headey and only gave her scars that don't really diminish her beauty, but the script itself is bizarrely hung up on Ma-Ma appearance. It refers to her as "the fat woman", comments on her giant hands several times, and Anderson tortures a criminal by making him psychically imagine getting blown by Ma-Ma. Also here's a direct quote from Ma-Ma's death scene. Dredd has injected her with Slo-Mo and thrown her out of her penthouse window, so she's experiencing the fall to her death at 1/100th speed: "CUT BACK TO - SLO MO of MA-MA's continuing fall. The fat woman screaming . . . Alone. Looking down, just as she - hits the ATRIUM floor. Head first. Very slowly. Hypnotic to watch… Her skull crushes, flattening. And the rest of her massive body follows. As the body is slowly pulped, GO TO -" Anderson, meanwhile, is very much the positive female role model, but her job is basically to be obedient to her male superior and be an inferior counterpart to him (it's made repeatedly clear that she sucked at all the Judge tests and is only being given the opportunity because of her psychic abilities, and she screws up the operation a few times). She does get her opportunities to shine and is a lot more of a human character than Dredd, but she's still very much a sort of "acceptable heroine" archetype. Also she gets shot near the end and Dredd revives her by giving her the "KISS OF LIFE", I don't remember anything like this in the comics? Now, I think it's sorta obvious from my tone that I found this poo poo disgusting, but I wanna stress that it won't necessarily mean the final movie is completely terrible. Things can change (e.g. my speculation that the appearance-shaming is mostly gone given that Lena Heady is playing Ma-Ma now), and acting and direction can go a long way to redeem a bad script. There's even some pretty cool moments in it, including a couple where the script makes sure to stress that not everyone in this slum-tower, and not even every criminal in Ma-Ma's employ, is a monster fit only for justice-dispensing. Personally, I can't imagine enjoying the final product myself unless the changes from the script are really extensive, but for those that prioritize these kinds of things less I could easily see it being a fun, stylish action movie. I do apologize if this has all come across as a humorless dudefeminist making too much out of the issue. The script definitely isn't very faithful to the spirit of the comics, but that was sorta expected. Mostly I'm just shocked because I'm a very big fan of Garland's earlier work. Aaand that's it.
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Yeah, my reaction is similar to yours. Here's hoping those elements are either excised, subverted, or at least heavily downplayed in the final film.
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Jonny Angel posted:Okay watch out these are spoilers. If you want to go unspoiled, this is a bad post to read, since among other things it contains a brief direct transcript from an important scene near the film's end. Keep in mind, though, that this is coming from a leaked script posted in 2010, and some changes may have occurred since then, but the plot, characters, and all the lines in the trailer are present in the script, so it seems quite authentic. Looks authentic to me considering One of the last frames of the trailer is Dredd throwing Ma-ma out of the window.. I'll still see it, Lena Headey being in it just makes me think of an alternate universe where Sarah Connor became a drug queen and a world where Dredd would execute Rob Schneider on site. EDIT: Although I won't mind if Ma-ma has a son with a rage dial on his forehead. Mouser.. fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Jul 14, 2012 |
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With a lot of that, you really have to consider that a lot of Dredd stuff is very satirical. Just because there's an element present in it doesn't mean it's remotely sincere. e: Also Lena Headey being cast as Ma-Ma removes a lot of the problematic elements with her appearance. Lena Headey is neither fat nor ugly, even with the scars. SALT CURES HAM fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Jul 15, 2012 |
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No, no, I completely get that the original Dredd comics were very much satirical, and it's absolutely possible to take a script that reads as sincere in its vaguely fascist misogyny and turn it into a wicked, witty, insightful satire. Of course, the trailer seems like it's playing it completely straight, but even that's not an indication - marketing misrepresents movies all the time. But there's a lot of stuff that, unless the script gets subtly changed or direction/acting plays a big part in recontextualizing it, is pretty troubling in ways that probably aren't even intentional. As an example, all the punishments Dredd metes out are execution, but when he's captured one of Ma-Ma's henchmen and Anderson does a quick psychic scan to assess his guilt, she can only say he's guilty with 99% certainty. He's like "Well, can't convict with 99%, we need to be sure". Which is theoretically cool, showing he's not just blindly executing people on hunches and suspicions, but he and Anderson still rack up an impressive action movie body count. So it's like, woo, all the dudes Dredd massacres totally deserved it because he doesn't execute people unless there's 100% certainty of their guilt, but it just so happens that there were enough people with 100% certainty of guilt to furnish all the firefights. Like, I'm sure the conscious goal on Garland's part wasn't to say "yeah, everyone gunned down by a cop or convicted or a crime has deserved it because the law doesn't strike unless there's a guarantee of guilt", but it's an implication that really makes its way into the script. Granted, it's absolutely true that this level of speculation can only go so far given the script I'm looking at two years old and we have direct evidence of some changes to it, e.g. Heady's casting. So yeah, grains of salt all around. p.s. hi Sean how's SotF holding up
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Jonny Angel posted:No, no, I completely get that the original Dredd comics were very much satirical, and it's absolutely possible to take a script that reads as sincere in its vaguely fascist misogyny and turn it into a wicked, witty, insightful satire. Of course, the trailer seems like it's playing it completely straight, but even that's not an indication - marketing misrepresents movies all the time. If he is able to judge them then he will not executed them unless he is sure they are guilty but if you shot at him he will kill you.
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I don't dislike slow-mo, but people who hate it should realize that slow-mo is literally the drug.
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Jonny Angel posted:p.s. hi Sean how's SotF holding up Oh hell, dude, I didn't even know you got an account here. And a red title too, no less.  I haven't been on in a while outside of chat, but everyone's doing okay by the looks of things.But yeah, what bobkatt (clumsily) said as far as the violence goes. The "100% certainty" thing only matters for people that aren't trying to kill Dredd and Anderson. Truthfully I'm gonna wait and see, anyhow. Worst case scenario, the fact that it looks like basically a cyberpunk version of The Raid means it'll be a drat fun action movie. eta: I will poo poo with happiness if the unknown movie is Slaine. SALT CURES HAM fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Jul 15, 2012 |
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Apparently people are loving this film at Comic Con. quote:Collider: DREDD was a super hard R and a lot better than I thought it would be. Again….super hard R. 3D was also great. I just hope that the "I am the law" in the trailer is not the only use of "The law." Far too subtle, needs more screaming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueYUwcZV-n0 Or at least use this song for the credits theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rVFi6qkPHE
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I'll still be wary as people were jerking off the Expendables as the greatest action movie in forever and what we got was boring and forgettable.
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Vintersorg posted:I'll still be wary as people were jerking off the Expendables as the greatest action movie in forever and what we got was boring and forgettable. Terry Crews with an AA12 makes up for everything.
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quote:Jordan Hoffman: On a pop fascist level DREDD makes STARSHIP TROOPERS look like BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN #SDCC What does this even mean?
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Fish of hemp posted:What does this even mean? Battleship Potemkin was an incredibly succesful propaganda film ... so Dredd makes Starship Troopers look really good? I don't know.
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It makes an effective satire of pro-fascist propaganda look like effective pro-communist propaganda! Duh!
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OT but does anyone know if Stallone had any story input on Demolition Man? He's not listed as a producer or anything but the premise feels like exactly the sort of thing he would come up with, i.e. "this is the ultimate nanny state liberals want to turn us into".
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Fish of hemp posted:What does this even mean? Maybe he means that Dredd is so obviously satirical that it makes Starship Troopers look like a straight-faced propaganda film? If so, it's a loving confusing way of expressing it.
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Fish of hemp posted:What does this even mean? If I had to guess, it's that the unironic love of fascist brutality in Dredd is so pornographic that it makes the mock-right wing propaganda (Starship Troopers) look like leftist agitprop (Battleship Potemkin).
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Some screenshots were released to a New Zealand website. They don't reveal anything we haven't already seen, but they do give us a chance to get a better look at the detail in the film.       http://www.flicks.co.nz/special-feature/exclusive-dredd-pics
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Vintersorg posted:I'll still be wary as people were jerking off the Expendables as the greatest action movie in forever and what we got was boring and forgettable.
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doctor 7 posted:Expendables was pretty God drat great what is wrong with you Actually I'm with him. It was a bunch of fan-servicy wanking that I am actually mad I spent money on. Luckily because of it, I know better than to do the same for the sequel. (A-Team and The Losers did the same premise way better. Sorry Sly, you old and boring.)
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So apparently a lot of people are angry that violent movies are still coming out after the Aurora shooting. This and Expendables 2 are the main targets of that. Granted, this is on IMDB which is a loving cesspool, but if it reflects the general opinion in any way... 
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Jefferoo posted:Apparently people are loving this film at Comic Con. I kinda feel that I'm alone in being a bit  at these reviews. I realise the source, but having seen the shoot-out preview clip and knowing exactly the kind of violence the film is going for, is this apparently a selling point? None of them really say anything other than "I loved seeing people get shot". No mention of satire, plot, even acting for christ sake, just "HAHA THERE WAS LOTS OF BLOOD AND DEAD"
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I really like the way they've translated the more outlandish features of the classic Judge uniform into a really utilitarian SWAT thing. The giant golden eagle shoulderpad thing looks insane and stupid, but as a design inscribed on their right shoulder it works.
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The only review I checked out was the one from /Film... but yeeeeeah, that was uncomfortable. The euphoria with which they repeatedly said variations of "You see so many people DYING in so many creative ways!!!" without any sort of self-awareness was really unsettling. Still, I'm not sure if this is actually a movie for psychopaths, or if it's a satire which is just being described by psychopaths. The tone of the advertising kind of has me thinking the former though...
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Dickeye posted:I really like the way they've translated the more outlandish features of the classic Judge uniform into a really utilitarian SWAT thing. The giant golden eagle shoulderpad thing looks insane and stupid, but as a design inscribed on their right shoulder it works. The helmets sit too high on their heads. My immersion.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:It was a bunch of fan-servicy wanking What did you expect from a movie getting together a bunch of washed up action heroes and wrestlers to punch and shoot poo poo? I loved it. I was unsure of Dredd before I saw the trailer, but I'll be there to see it. Gotta support my hard R movies in these trying times of PG-13 remakes and downgrades.
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I saw the trailer for this today and, if I hadn't read tis thread, I'd have never guessed that there was anything vaguely satirical about it. It looks like a sci fi version of The Raid only more tedious looking as there's no Kung fu. Is there a reason Dredd's sidekick doesn't have a helmet? I mean, other than to see her totally  haircut.
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Handsome Dead posted:I saw the trailer for this today and, if I hadn't read tis thread, I'd have never guessed that there was anything vaguely satirical about it. It looks like a sci fi version of The Raid only more tedious looking as there's no Kung fu. Is there a reason Dredd's sidekick doesn't have a helmet? I mean, other than to see her totally She is a psychic and they can not use their abilities if they wear a helmet.
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Handsome Dead posted:Is there a reason Dredd's sidekick doesn't have a helmet? I mean, other than to see her totally Psi-Judge's don't wear helmets, they interfere with their abilities.
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