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They were just kittens. These kids in no way should be charged with anything. It's pretty silly.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 18:43 |
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Reminds me of this lowlife... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-Ramsgate.html They need a giant cat to do it to them, stupid humans.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 18:43 |
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It's cool that it's a felony so that it actually has consequences for them. Leave baby kitties alone sick bastards!
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 18:45 |
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Raz0rw0rk posted:They were just kittens. These kids in no way should be charged with anything. It's pretty silly. Care to try to justify/elaborate on this horrible opinion? They were just kittens, so it's not a problem to drown them tortuously and without conscience?
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 18:45 |
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thelightguy posted:Man, all the farmers who kill excess barn cats as pests are gonna be hosed... I once told you about a sailor who drowned. Yes, he said it was like going home. I lied. He said it was agony.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 18:46 |
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thexerox123 posted:Care to try to justify/elaborate on this horrible opinion? They were just kittens, so it's not a problem to drown them tortuously and without conscience? You've already emotionally judged what I posted so there's no reason for me to defend it since you won't care anyway.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 18:50 |
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Raz0rw0rk posted:You've already emotionally judged what I posted so there's no reason for me to defend it since you won't care anyway. Uh-huh. You come in, make a statement without backing it up with logic or justification, and then say you don't need to respond because I've 'emotionally judged' it. Well, if you had given a rational explanation, maybe I could have judged it on that level, instead. I've already had one person change my mind in this thread, but it didn't happen because they just left a dumb, trollish post that they refused to justify.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 18:52 |
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thexerox123 posted:Uh-huh. You come in, make a statement without backing it up with logic or justification, and then say you don't need to respond because I've 'emotionally judged' it. Well, if you had given a rational explanation, I could have judged it on that level, instead. I'm not trolling, I just don't see the big deal. They're cats, not other human beings. You're perfectly fine with punishing kids for that without adding that distinction? I've seen kids do poo poo to animals all my life so this isn't a huge shock to me. You should just be satisfied that I see it that way and move on even if you disagree. The world won't always take your side.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 18:56 |
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Raz0rw0rk posted:I'm not trolling, I just don't see the big deal. They're cats, not other human beings. You're perfectly fine with punishing kids for that without adding that distinction? I've seen kids do poo poo to animals all my life so this isn't a huge shock to me. Except nobody is saying that they should be punished to the same extent as if they had deliberately drowned a human, so that distinction is already taken into account? So, you've routinely seen children abuse and be cruel to animals and it wasn't a big deal to you? How do you get into that situation? That isn't normal for most people. And it's all already been brought up in this thread, I'm assuming you haven't routinely seen things to the extent of drowning kittens purely for sick enjoyment, but maybe I'm wrong. Anyways, there should be more to moral responsibility than "Whatever, people do that poo poo all the time, I'm not surprised." I don't give a poo poo about "my side", but it is pretty appalling to me that people can be so flippant about things like that.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 18:58 |
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I remember being around 3 years old and I stomped on a snail. At that age I had virtually no values or anything instilled in me (other than "say please and thank you") and I had this incredible feeling of remourse and even depression and guilt after stomping the snail. It was a quick death, too. I didn't even torture it and I felt like total poo poo; again, without having yet been taught that it was wrong. These kids are psychotic. At 16 years old, you better be well advanced enough to feel bad while you're watching a loving kitten struggle to breath. It had nothing to do with it being a cute fluffy animal. I'd feel the exact same way if someone got off on torturing a sewer rat. How the hell do people see something struggling to breath and not feel completely terrible about it? They're broken human beings; that's why. No amount of telling a 16 year old (who is considered old enough to loving drive) that torturing living things isn't a good idea is going to fix these shitheads. Animal cruelty laws are a loving joke in this world, no matter how many goddamn serial killers they spawn. That psycho in Canada would have never gotten to toture a human if, you know, after being HANDED HIS NAME AND PHOTOS someone in the loving Canadian authority could have QUESTIONED the loving guy. And don't give me this "cutting off a cow's head is the same as watching and enjoying kittens suffer is the same thing" bullshit. gently caress.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:02 |
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thexerox123 posted:Except nobody is saying that they should be punished to the same extent as if they had deliberately drowned a human, so that distinction is already taken into account? City kids get bored. I also lived in Puerto Rico and the Poconos Mountains a few summers. You see a pigeon or a wild chicken and some kids will gently caress with them. I never gave it a second thought. I still know most of those guys now and they have families and are fine. I can't even think of one who has even been in trouble with the law. I've personally never seen someone drown a kitten, but if I were a kid and saw it I'm pretty sure I wouldn't give it a second thought. Were your kittens drowned?
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:03 |
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Milky_Sauce posted:Animal cruelty laws are a loving joke in this world, no matter how many goddamn serial killers they spawn. That psycho in Canada would have never gotten to toture a human if, you know, after being HANDED HIS NAME AND PHOTOS someone in the loving Canadian authority could have QUESTIONED the loving guy. Wait, what are you advocating here?
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:03 |
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Milky_Sauce posted:I remember being around 3 years old and I stomped on a snail. At that age I had virtually no values or anything instilled in me (other than "say please and thank you") and I had this incredible feeling of remourse and even depression and guilt after stomping the snail. It was a quick death, too. I didn't even torture it and I felt like total poo poo; again, without having yet been taught that it was wrong. I don't think animal cruelty laws create serial killers.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:04 |
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I grew up in a tiny farming town. We had problems with feral cats and dogs and coyotes, lost an entire coop of chickens to a weasel (vicious fuckers), and my pet bunny was ripped out of his hutch and eaten by a bobcat. Pretty loving rural. My dad has personally shot around 20 cats over my lifetime, since they would come up and threaten our chickens or try to beat up our own cat. We would sometimes try to catch and spay/neuter them, but most of them were so feral or vicious it wasn't an option. So we shot them. But that's because it was necessary. I don't know of anyone who would slowly drown two kittens, laughing and joking the entire time, while watching them struggle for life. Nor do I know anyone who would call up and threaten someone who reported them for torturing said kittens. It's not normal and it's not necessary. This isn't something that 'teens just do'. Holy poo poo. I knew plenty of young guys who have shot cats themselves, who would gladly beat the piss out of these boys for torturing cats. It's not difficult. One is humane killing. The other is TORTURE. These two boys need therapy, counseling, and their home situation definitely needs to be looked into as well.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:07 |
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Milky_Sauce posted:I remember being around 3 years old and I stomped on a snail. At that age I had virtually no values or anything instilled in me. Every gardener in the Pacific NW doesn't have those values installed in them. Killing mice is about my limit, and I do feel compassion for those cats. I feel worse that this is considered news though.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:10 |
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Raz0rw0rk posted:City kids get bored. I also lived in Puerto Rico and the Poconos Mountains a few summers. You see a pigeon or a wild chicken and some kids will gently caress with them. I never gave it a second thought. I still know most of those guys now and they have families and are fine. I can't even think of one who has even been in trouble with the law. Nope, but if I had seen people "gently caress with" a pigeon or wild chicken as a kid, even then, I would have been pretty loving outraged. And this is coming from someone who went to school with a lot of country/farm kids who love hunting. Also, it doesn't sound like Puerto Rico is particularly great when it comes to stopping animal abuse, in general... http://www.usatoday.com/news/topsto...308825693_x.htm. But who cares, they're not humans. Who even cares if they didn't grow up to be serial killers, or law breakers... how do you seem to have zero regard for the animals and their undue suffering, regardless of human consequence? We even had a bunch of feral cats move into our yard and have a whoooole lot of kittens, and we managed to catch them all, get them spayed/neutered, and into good homes. Actually, one of our cats is from one of those litters. You know, instead of drowning them, or shooting them in the head with a callous disregard for anything but human life.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:12 |
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Raz0rw0rk posted:City kids get bored. I also lived in Puerto Rico and the Poconos Mountains a few summers. You see a pigeon or a wild chicken and some kids will gently caress with them. I never gave it a second thought. I still know most of those guys now and they have families and are fine. I can't even think of one who has even been in trouble with the law.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:12 |
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Cardiovorax posted:Make sure to remember that when somebody feeds your dog razor blades for giggles. Heh. Fido's screaming in pain and choking on blood. Boys will be boys. v  v
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:13 |
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Cardiovorax posted:Make sure to remember that when somebody feeds your dog razor blades for giggles. Somehow I doubt this person owns an animal or even goes remotely near any.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:15 |
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Raz0rw0rk posted:I'm not trolling, I just don't see the big deal. They're cats, not other human beings. You're perfectly fine with punishing kids for that without adding that distinction? I've seen kids do poo poo to animals all my life so this isn't a huge shock to me. Mind if I ask you a few questions? Please give your emotional responses to said questions/statements at your leisure. 1) A tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun beating its legs trying to turn itself over but it can't, not without your help, but you're not helping. Why is that? 2) Describe in single words, only the good things that come in to your mind about : your mother. 3) It's your birthday. Someone gives you a calfskin wallet. 4) You've got a little boy. He shows you his butterfly collection plus the killing jar. 5) You're watching television. Suddenly you realise there's a wasp crawling on your arm. 6) You're reading a magazine. You come across a full-page nude photo of a girl. 7) Just answer the questions, please. You show it to your husband. He likes it so much he hangs it on your bedroom wall. 8) One more question. You're watching a stage play. A banquet is in progress. The guests are enjoying an appetizer of raw oysters. The entree consists of boiled dog. Thank you, Your test results will be available shortly.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:23 |
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It's disturbing that they can be charged with a felony for damaging property that had no explicit owner and would realistically cost the area they live in money to inevitably kill. They also prevented a potential spike in stray cat population. Being charged for torturing animals is one thing, but getting slapped with a felony at sixteen for doing something the local government would have done for you is another entirely.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:24 |
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Mach5 posted:Mind if I ask you a few questions? Please give your emotional responses to said questions/statements at your leisure. Do you dream of drowning electric cats?
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:27 |
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Khorne posted:It's disturbing that they can be charged with a felony for damaging property that had no explicit owner and would realistically cost the area they live in money to inevitably kill. It's not at all disturbing, because the issue is animal cruelty and not property damage, you loving lunatic, ffs. I'm going to just assume that this post was a stupid ironic joke, before I lose complete faith in humanity.
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:28 |
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reflir posted:Do you dream of drowning electric cats? Let me tell you something about my...electric cat. POW! (cue Vangelis)
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| # ? Jun 30, 2012 19:29 |
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Khorne posted:Being charged for torturing animals is one thing, but getting slapped with a felony at sixteen for doing something the local government would have done for you is another entirely. The charge is specifically "felony ANIMAL CRUELTY", so what the hell are you talking about? Yes, the local government goes around drowning cats in cups, and trying to catch one with a crowbar in their hands. Jesus.
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