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Power Walrus
Dec 23, 2003

Hot Carl



When I look at Donna Bartsow's cartoons, I wonder if she draws them upside down. I hate this cartoon and I bet you were thinking of Bil Keane when you drew it.

Edit: Just to be sure, this is my sincere commentary on the art of Donna Barstow, as is protected by Fair Use.

Power Walrus fucked around with this message at Jul 3, 2012 around 07:33

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swickles
Aug 21, 2006


Scoring? No, sir, I trust my opponents to be men of upstanding moral character.

Power Walrus posted:



When I look at Donna Bartsow's cartoons, I wonder if she draws them upside down. I hate this cartoon and I bet you were thinking of Bil Keane when you drew it.

This one is actually pretty deep. Its not about God loving us, its about us loving Him and trying to get closer to him. An all you can eat buffet is the key to obesity, heart disease, and an early death, thus uniting you with the heavenly father. Through eating til we die, we find salvation.

Saint Sputnik
Mar 31, 2007

yeah swing low, sweet
jewel-encrusted chariot
make me young again
make me well



It's impossible to pick a favorite. They're all so childish and Poe's Lawsian. I love Donna Barstow and I hope she never stops creating her art, let alone improve one iota past "monkey with MSPaint" levels of quality.

particle409
Jan 15, 2008


LP97S posted:

Hate to break the news but we're only the latest website to mock her lovely racist doodles tread on her copyright.

The most interesting one I read was from a blog called "Womanist Musings" which criticized the Mexico comic, the the inherit racism and privileged it contained, here.

In the comments, Donna left this caring message.


She still loves bashing Mexicans though (she probably doesn't think they count as people).

Womanist Musing was not the only blog hit with petty e-mails, the blog called "Alas" was also slapped with one, but the Womanist Musings took it to heart and called out Barstow for what she is, [url=http://www.womanist-musings.com/2009/05/donna-barstow-racist-pearl-clutcher.html]a Racist Pearl Clutcher. Donna took this quite personally, which to fair it was, and made this page on her site filled with great quotes like this.


So here's another comic.



I'll tell you, she'll ratchet up hateful rhetoric, reach out to racists for being "real Americans" and put targets on congressmen, some of whom may be shot later.

Hahaha you can tell she put the text on first, then drew the breasts as an afterthought. Is that one growing out of her armpit?

Power Walrus
Dec 23, 2003

Hot Carl



Who has President Obama cocooned inside these American flags? Is he talking about hair, or grass? Why do we need to be told what he is saying vs what he is thinking, when the two bubble are already differentiated by a speech spike and a thought bubble?

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010




Showcasing a mastery of Dada-ism and anti-humor, Barstow uses a few crude brushstrokes to create something less than nothing, something more empty and barren of meaning than an empty canvas.

HoboZero
Apr 19, 2008

MORON



Dear cartoonist whose name I don't care enough about to scroll up to be reminded of,
I hate you. Not because of your nebulous jabs which grasp at fruit so low-hanging as to be trod upon, but because you hosed up the word "omnivorous". It seems like a small thing, but it's indicative of so much that's failing to happen on your part. You are a disgrace to the noble tradition of sociopolitical satire and commentary; your entire lot in life hinged on the ability to craft language and image into something eye-opening and you can't even be bothered to to spell check. Everything you've ever created serves the opposite of its intended purpose by highlighting how profoundly retarded people with your worldview can be. You are your most ruthless satirist. In summary: Hurry up and get the gently caress off my internet, you slack-teated gorgon.

E: That isn't an open letter to her, of course. That is a commentary/critique in the form of an open letter which contains more than thirty words. Can't be too careful.

HoboZero fucked around with this message at Jul 3, 2012 around 06:08

Scurvy
Dec 28, 2002





In L.A., the gyms have workout equipment that consist of a stair stepper with pedals on the outside — unless you are a man. If you are a man, you may only use the stair stepper, as you can see by the lack of pedals on the man's machine.

Is this about some perceived reversal of privilege in American gyms?

Is this about the lack of choices Californian men have in life (versus women)?

Or is this simply commentary about the truly Sisyphean nature of exercise?

Chwoka
Jan 27, 2008

I'm Abed, and I never watch TV.



The perfect place to have ADD.

Noni
Jul 8, 2003

I went to the hardware store to buy a hose but they didn't have any hoses.

Scurvy posted:



In L.A., the gyms have workout equipment that consist of a stair stepper with pedals on the outside — unless you are a man. If you are a man, you may only use the stair stepper, as you can see by the lack of pedals on the man's machine.

Is this about some perceived reversal of privilege in American gyms?

Is this about the lack of choices Californian men have in life (versus women)?

Or is this simply commentary about the truly Sisyphean nature of exercise?

The joke, you see, is that liberals and LA...

(She has ADD and can't finish the comic.)

Abugadu
Jul 11, 2004

1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Fashioned for me a cummerbund for my aptitude as a scuffler. i am Honored.

So, going through some of her old stuff, I stumbled upon this:



at http://thecartoons.net/page/7/

which has a date of 3/26/10 for the blog post.

Now not only did this picture have a semblance to actual humor, but I thought I'd seen this before, and thought it predated this post. I found a similar picture at:

http://www.lolpix.com/pictures/8/Funny_Pictures_339.htm

dated 7/16/2008.

Different illustration, as identified by the break in the right border of the report card, the pattern on the snake's neck, and the reduction of the humor by changing D.Python to B.Python.

So did she leak a comic of hers two years before its publication, or is our queen of crying copyright infringement just a big ol' copycat?

Wanup Vodka
Sep 24, 2011

Fermented grass mixed in a bathtub with turpentine, bleach, and methamphetamine.

The two most emotionally gripping comics of our generation, merged for the first time ever.



EDIT:

With more text, therefore it is more fair-use-y

Wanup Vodka fucked around with this message at Jul 3, 2012 around 06:30

Call Me Abey
Feb 14, 2002

I broke the rules in QCS and got in big trouble!


Abugadu posted:

So, going through some of her old stuff, I stumbled upon this:



at http://thecartoons.net/page/7/

which has a date of 3/26/10 for the blog post.

Now not only did this picture have a semblance to actual humor, but I thought I'd seen this before, and thought it predated this post. I found a similar picture at:

http://www.lolpix.com/pictures/8/Funny_Pictures_339.htm

dated 7/16/2008.

Different illustration, as identified by the break in the right border of the report card, the pattern on the snake's neck, and the reduction of the humor by changing D.Python to B.Python.

So did she leak a comic of hers two years before its publication, or is our queen of crying copyright infringement just a big ol' copycat?

She also changed "people" to "kids". This is a pretty amazing & damning find!

No. 6
Jun 30, 2002

The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart.


What a completely worthless person. It's unfortunate that I have been made aware of her existence.

Wanup Vodka
Sep 24, 2011

Fermented grass mixed in a bathtub with turpentine, bleach, and methamphetamine.

Abugadu posted:

Exhibit A

Oh wow, that's amazing. What a goddamn hypocrite. Also, notice how her site is "mysteriously" down. Who wants to bet that the snake pic is gone when it comes back up?

anotherone
Feb 8, 2001
Username taken, please choose another one

That snake comic is actually hilarious which is proof enough that she stole it.

Wanup Vodka posted:

notice how her site is "mysteriously" down. Who wants to bet that the snake pic is gone when it comes back up?
http://thecartoons.net/ works for me: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme....hecartoons.net/

Vargo
Dec 27, 2008

like a record baby

Wanup Vodka posted:

Oh wow, that's amazing. What a goddamn hypocrite. Also, notice how her site is "mysteriously" down. Who wants to bet that the snake pic is gone when it comes back up?

No worries. I'm on it: https://twitter.com/SchneidRemarks/...047188439478272

Omnicarus
Jan 16, 2006



She won't tell me what her favorite bird is

Vargo
Dec 27, 2008

like a record baby

So, her reaction to me calling her attention to the snake cartoon was to scream IT'S MY CARTOON!!! and block me.

EDIT: At least I'm assuming that she blocked me. It might be a Goon Rush, but I can't read anything she says and I can't re-tweet her now.

Bunny Cuddlin
Dec 12, 2004


Abugadu posted:

So, going through some of her old stuff, I stumbled upon this:



at http://thecartoons.net/page/7/

which has a date of 3/26/10 for the blog post.

Now not only did this picture have a semblance to actual humor, but I thought I'd seen this before, and thought it predated this post. I found a similar picture at:

http://www.lolpix.com/pictures/8/Funny_Pictures_339.htm

dated 7/16/2008.

Different illustration, as identified by the break in the right border of the report card, the pattern on the snake's neck, and the reduction of the humor by changing D.Python to B.Python.

So did she leak a comic of hers two years before its publication, or is our queen of crying copyright infringement just a big ol' copycat?

Well she's desperately trying to find out who she can send a DMCA takedown notice to on lolpix.com and she blocked me on Twitter when I asked about the plagiarism.

text editor
Jan 8, 2007



Omnicarus posted:

She won't tell me what her favorite bird is

It's the one that looks like this

Thewlis
Feb 24, 2006

Custard Coloured Superdream


Vargo posted:

So, her reaction to me calling her attention to the snake cartoon was to scream IT'S MY CARTOON!!! and block me.
I'm an idiot and she's blocking me.

elisaaa
Mar 30, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


If that's really her cartoon, where are the seventeen watermarks? and why isn't she suing lolpix.com?

Thewlis
Feb 24, 2006

Custard Coloured Superdream


She can't find the webmasters TELL HER WHO THE WEBMASTERS ARE
It's one big lovely cartoon stealing conspiracy

Lumberjack Bonanza
Feb 27, 2011

I'LL CUT THAT POST TO PIECES!


I'm just happy someone's retweeting my punchy one-liners.

Wait, can I threaten to sue? If so, I'm outraged.

particle409
Jan 15, 2008


Here's the boingboing article already discussing this:

Political cartoonist angry
http://boingboing.net/2012/07/02/cartoonist.html

Omnicarus
Jan 16, 2006



Gigantic Slut Man posted:

Well she's desperately trying to find out who she can send a DMCA takedown notice to on lolpix.com and she blocked me on Twitter when I asked about the plagiarism.

There is a photo of the same Cartoon on Google search with the time tag of Feb 2, 2007.

Call Me Abey
Feb 14, 2002

I broke the rules in QCS and got in big trouble!


Wanup Vodka posted:

Oh wow, that's amazing. What a goddamn hypocrite. Also, notice how her site is "mysteriously" down. Who wants to bet that the snake pic is gone when it comes back up?

Yeah, I actually pointed that out to her on Twitter, after she kept accusing me of being an Idiot Coward Thief who refuses to share my real name, instead of my nom de plume, @caylenb.





She also insisted that we were causing her to starve, since we somehow aren't respecting copyright.



Eventually, my feelings got hurt by her constant need to insult my character, so I brought up my concerns regarding one of the cases of her unattributed plagiarism:



At this point, she took the moral high ground and bravely blocked me on Twitter, thus preventing me from sharing with her some of the other instances of her intentional copyright infringement on the works of other artists, and took down her website as well.

My associates and I thought that she might resort to such noble deeds, and earlier took the time to archive her entire websites & images, as well as screenshots of said acts of plagiarism. Since we expect the other instances to not be removed shortly after this incident, we don't intend on publicly sharing her other acts of stolen political cartoons - until we've heard back from the artists who's rights were infringed, and some of her current and former publishers where she used these lifted illustrations and branded them as her own.

This is why it's so important to Respect Fair Use, especially of the works of Donna Barstow. Assuming that they in fact are actually her work, and not the stolen derivative of another artist. BUT ASSUMING THAT THEY ARE, you need to be respectful. Or she might starve

I apologize for any future acts of cowardice or thievery I might partake in.

CayTeo
Oct 14, 2004

I don't want to set the world on fire


Lumberjack Bonanza posted:

I'm just happy someone's retweeting my punchy one-liners.

Wait, can I threaten to sue? If so, I'm outraged.

I don't know in what reality she thinks it's a grand idea to retweet all the abuse flowing in at her. She must thrive on it somehow, feed on it. And demanding real names from everyone? Is she going to ask for birth certificates, too?

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009



Abeya Minora posted:

Or she might starve

Maybe we could send her a nutrition guide, chocolate alone can't be good for anyone.

Rynoto
Apr 27, 2009



Barstow posted:

Donna Barstow ‏@cartooness

@SchneidRemarks @fart @Arr Try & keep up. THAT WAS PRINTED IN A MAG YEARS AGO, IT'S MY CARTOON!!!!

... I don't think she remembered that she had changed some of the details when she copied it. Because otherwise how did her art magically change?

E: It was those drat people who stole her work that Photoshopped her art! Yes, that is definitely it. (I sincerely hope she uses this as an excuse)

Rynoto fucked around with this message at Jul 3, 2012 around 07:33

GonzoRonin
Oct 4, 2005

timey-wimey fruity booty


What is it with these kinds of people and the lemmings myth? http://www.donnabarstow.com/f5.htm

Also:

Donna Barstow posted:

Who taught you how to blog, anyway?

Haier
Aug 10, 2007
Operate


I can't stop laughing at this. He looks worried/curious but she's so calm. Those lieberals have it all mixed up! The next thing we know, they'll be asking to let in mixed-race babies into our white pre-schools.

jadedhula
Dec 31, 2006

Not the typical American, but I play one on TV

I love how she calls us all those lovely words, and then ends with @fart. Like we would be offended.

Bunny Cuddlin
Dec 12, 2004


jadedhula posted:

I love how she calls us all those lovely words, and then ends with @fart. Like we would be offended.

@fart is the twitter handle of Something Awful Head Eggmaster Jon Hendren.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009



Rynoto posted:

... I don't think she remembered that she had changed some of the details when she copied it. Because otherwise how did her art magically change?

It's possible that she redrew it for whatever reason for the print version. That does happen even with real artists sometimes. Anyway the evidence value of an uncredited picture on LOLPIX is not very strong.

Vargo
Dec 27, 2008

like a record baby

In all fairness, I did literally ASK for it:


Then I civilly attempted to explain what we do here:


Then I just became a dick:



I linked her a few screenshots from the front page of the political cartoon thread.
This was the result:


At which point she screamed MY CARTOON and blocked me.

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008
Good luck with your depression!


Vargo posted:

I'm the @SchneidRemarks that she said had a nose which was growing.

I showed her screenshots from the Political Cartoon Thread and told her I would countersue her in Crazyland.

In all seriousness, as one of Something Awful's movie guys, I get genuinely upset anytime someone accuses this site of any kind of piracy. It's genuinely offensive and I don't want it to reflect on any of the writers on this site.

I remember when we first starting following her hilariously banal cartoons somebody described her as "the Dunning–Kruger effect in action," which is really the best possible description of her and her "work."

anotherone
Feb 8, 2001
Username taken, please choose another one

Nenonen posted:

It's possible that she redrew it for whatever reason for the print version. That does happen even with real artists sometimes. Anyway the evidence value of an uncredited picture on LOLPIX is not very strong.

should be pretty easy to prove, she said it was published- magazines have back issues.

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UZworm
Feb 9, 2009

I just love these scribbles that won't go away


So apparently if we just link to the actual page of every cartoon, we're good.

That's totally how the internet works.

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