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quote:The first thing that I have to say to you is this; forget about the movie ROBOCOP, which is a great movie. Forget about the context in which it was released back in the 80’s and the great asset criticism of the media that it made. Forget about all of that, just the concept of ROBOCOP theoretically… Robocop is not a superhero, Robocop is what happens to a man when you start changing it with technology so he can follow certain purposes and do certain things for corporations or whatever. What happens when technology takes over consciousness and free will?…And that in itself… If somebody comes to me and says “Let’s make a movie about that” and there was no ROBOCOP, I would still say “Great, let’s do it,” because it talks to my heart, it’s a freedom concept, and we are getting there. This actually plays into my biggest criticism of the Robocop remake. The only way to do this right is to throw away what we know about the original and just stick to the basic concept of a man becoming a piece of technology. So why not just make something entirely new instead of making it a version of movie that is already considered iconic and very highly regarded? You pretty much start out at a disadvantage. It's just in everybody's nature to compare it to the original.
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CPL593H posted:This actually plays into my biggest criticism of the Robocop remake. The only way to do this right is to throw away what we know about the original and just stick to the basic concept of a man becoming a piece of technology. So why not just make something entirely new instead of making it a version of movie that is already considered iconic and very highly regarded? You pretty much start out at a disadvantage. It's just in everybody's nature to compare it to the original. You speak truth, but not all the truth. If they're starting from the same basic concept as Robocop but make a different movie along the same lines, people are still going to compare it to the original but this time adding "They stole that idea from Robocop!" On the whole, I think it's better to be thought unoriginal than to be believed plagiaristic. As an example of what I mean, take a look at the new Dredd movie. People are looking at that and saying "Oh, that's just like The Raid". While this is unfair as the Dredd script predates The Raid - and Raid director Gareth Evans has admitted that he saw the Dredd script during filming and knew he had to beat Dredd to the cinemas if he wanted to avoid the reverse comparison - it's still a valid connection to make as they're similar movies. The thing is, both The Raid and Dredd bear comparison to the French parkour/martial arts movie Banlieue 13, which itself owes a colossal debt to Escape From New York. After 120 years of cinema there are few truly original ideas left; the best movies are the ones that improve on the old themes, or look at them in a new way.
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| # ? Jul 14, 2012 11:28 |
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CPL593H posted:This actually plays into my biggest criticism of the Robocop remake. The only way to do this right is to throw away what we know about the original and just stick to the basic concept of a man becoming a piece of technology. So why not just make something entirely new instead of making it a version of movie that is already considered iconic and very highly regarded? You pretty much start out at a disadvantage. It's just in everybody's nature to compare it to the original. Yeah, one of the things I've noticed is that, with the casting, there's no really analogue to Boddicker and his gang in the movie and that might be a good thing. Everything we've seen has been concerned with Robocop's development (Oldman), his application (Laurie), and his presentation (Jackson). It's like Padhila wants us to concentrate on one group of bad guys, Omnicorp, instead of getting into Robocop getting his vengeance on the criminals who made him as well as a rogue executive.
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| # ? Jul 14, 2012 12:16 |
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Young Freud posted:Yeah, one of the things I've noticed is that, with the casting, there's no really analogue to Boddicker and his gang in the movie and that might be a good thing. Everything we've seen has been concerned with Robocop's development (Oldman), his application (Laurie), and his presentation (Jackson). It's like Padhila wants us to concentrate on one group of bad guys, Omnicorp, instead of getting into Robocop getting his vengeance on the criminals who made him as well as a rogue executive. I think it's part of the territory that comes with the reboot. The implications of man becoming part robot mean a whole lot more and way different things then they did back in the 80s. Corporate crime is a bigger deal then street crime these days as well. Maybe it's just me but unlike Total Recall and the plethora of other 80s-90s movies getting remade I think Robocop actually has some merit in a remake. The whole mechanical augmentation stuff is just straight up transhumanism now a days and not the "oh man what horrible science experiment is this" that it was in the original. It's the whole Deus Ex evolution debate all over again. I'm not saying new Robocop is going to be Adam Jensen but the similarities in a Robocop story focusing on the corporate aspect isn't too hard to grasp.
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| # ? Jul 14, 2012 20:55 |
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randombattle posted:
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| # ? Jul 14, 2012 21:48 |
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I was really upset when I heard about this remake, how can it top Robo Cop? Robo Cop was the perfect sci-fi movie. The perfect amount of dystopian future, drugs, violence, poorly done blood squibs, guys being clothes-lined and inexplicably flying into a cooler, satirical board games, satirical car advertisements, people turning into liquid, people being stabbed in the neck, people being thrown through a windshield, Red Foreman being thrown through a window, girl looking at a guy's cock, iron butts, Red Foreman being thrown through another window, and even bubble gum. Then I remembered Robocop 3 and I can't wait for this remake. 
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The original is one of my favorite movies ever so I did originally hope the remake would just stay dead, if only because the original was just so perfect. I still think it's a bit silly, but the cast of Laurie, Jackson and Oldman is so goddamn excellent. The only thing I really want to know now is if the script tries to put another guy in the role of Clarence or gives us something entirely new. I don't necessarily think it'll be a trainwreck anymore but I just can't really see it ever topping the original.
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| # ? Jul 16, 2012 07:00 |
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I really hope they film some of this movie in Detroit, though I know thanks to our new governor they have really dialed back the amount of tax incentives they are handing out for movie/TV production in Michigan. The original, though set in Detroit, only featured the city in the opening fly-over, and even that was just stock footage. I wonder if the Robocop statue will be up by the time the remake comes out. 
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| # ? Jul 17, 2012 17:02 |
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Sirotan posted:I really hope they film some of this movie in Detroit, though I know thanks to our new governor they have really dialed back the amount of tax incentives they are handing out for movie/TV production in Michigan. The original, though set in Detroit, only featured the city in the opening fly-over, and even that was just stock footage. Detroit: A city that celebrates a movie that predicted its descent into a lawless, corporate-owned hellhole. God bless America.
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| # ? Jul 17, 2012 17:41 |
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Dickeye posted:Detroit: A city that celebrates a movie that predicted its descent into a lawless, corporate-owned hellhole. Maybe I don't have the right to even say this as I live in a nearby town, but anything that's going to bring revenue to Detroit is a-ok by me, even if its exploitative. As of right now they are only barely holding off being taken over by an emergency financial manager. Besides, one of the best times I've ever had in Detroit was watching Robocop at a screening in a big abandoned warehouse downtown. I'd definitely make a trip to see the statue, and spend some money in town while I'm there. I'd bet filming the remake at some local landmarks would bring in some cash too.
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| # ? Jul 17, 2012 18:17 |
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Alhazred posted:Treating a guy like property, reanimate his corpse and wipe out all of his memories would probably still warrant the "oh man what horrible science experiment is this" reaction today. Especially now that we can treat a guy like property and reanimate his corpse without the actual brain surgery part. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbrFmPBV0Y
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| # ? Jul 17, 2012 18:34 |
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Neo Rasa posted:Especially now that we can treat a guy like property and reanimate his corpse without the actual brain surgery part. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbrFmPBV0Y I don't know if I should be pissed off or just sad. What the hell.
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| # ? Jul 17, 2012 18:55 |
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Dickeye posted:Detroit: A city that celebrates a movie that predicted its descent into a lawless, corporate-owned hellhole. The statue was something that was entirely put together and funded by fans using Kickstarter. So instead you can be upset that people would rather throw money at a Robocop statue instead of a drug treatment clinic or a youth center!
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| # ? Jul 18, 2012 02:36 |
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More casting news from Deadline:quote:Jackie Earle Haley is signing on to star in the Robocop remake that Jose Padilha will direct with Joel Kinnaman playing the title character. Haley will play Maddox, the guy who dispenses the military training to Robocop. Gary Oldman, Hugh Laurie, Samuel L. Jackson and Abbie Cornish are also set and actors including Jay Baruchel are circling the final leads. Military training?
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| # ? Jul 21, 2012 15:35 |
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Timby posted:More casting news from Deadline: It's cool. Depending on how much they play up the Human vs Robot aspect, it can make sense. If he's got a mind that's more of what he was before and is in a robot's body, maybe he's got to relearn how to move and behave. Or even if he starts out as sort of new and gradually recovers his humanity like before, he's still got to be trained. If he was more machine maybe some kind of programming could be used like something out of the Matrix. Robocop's an advanced high end tool and he's got to have a leg up, if this is going to be a movie that explores more, let's see his development.
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| # ? Jul 21, 2012 15:41 |
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Timby posted:More casting news from Deadline: The original touched on militarization of policing, so I can see how it fits.
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| # ? Jul 21, 2012 16:06 |
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sean10mm posted:The original touched on militarization of policing, so I can see how it fits. It kind of makes me wonder if the film deals with a corporatized military (since we know Omnicorp is a factor in the story).
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| # ? Jul 21, 2012 16:57 |
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Jay Baruchel?!
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| # ? Jul 21, 2012 18:08 |
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sean10mm posted:The original touched on militarization of policing, so I can see how it fits. Yes, but the original also made it clear that the whole point of Robocop was that it came with a lifetime's worth of police experience already built in. If you have to train Robo in anything other than using his new body, then what's the point of picking a police officer as your subject?
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| # ? Jul 21, 2012 18:09 |
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ephori posted:Jay Baruchel?! I look like him, I like Robocop, therefore I think it is a good casting choice.
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| # ? Jul 21, 2012 18:16 |
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Jedit posted:Yes, but the original also made it clear that the whole point of Robocop was that it came with a lifetime's worth of police experience already built in. If you have to train Robo in anything other than using his new body, then what's the point of picking a police officer as your subject? He could be just a military trainer building obstacle and shooting courses for Robo. Of course, he could be Omnicorp's muscle when it comes to reining in Robo.
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| # ? Jul 22, 2012 02:36 |
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I could see it playing off the increasing militarization of police forces, where the 80s view of a lifetime of police experience being seen as less important than the facade of legitimacy using an ex-cop brings for OmniCorp's marketing.
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That would be pretty interesting actually, if Haley's character is there more for marketing and guaranteed military contract purposes than to actually train him. And also just as prescient as the original film. I wish I could find the article, but one of the private companies or whatever the US hired to work with in Iraq was contracted to rent out some of their trucks to the US military. Instead, they stole some vehicles from an airport, re-painted them, and then hauled them over, none of them actually functioned. Their official response was "we were asked for trucks and we gave you trucks, whether they work or not is of no concern to our agreement" like something a five year old would say, yet the government (i.e., us) continued to pay these people and even give them more work instead of having them publically exploded. Who cares if the drat thing works or not?  Basically the government and the corporations that run it are even more brazenly corrupt now than they ever were in the eighties, which is why I'm so excited about this remake and that the majority of its director's career is works about corruption and how indifferently we screw over our fellow humans to prove a point or make a quick buck. Padilha's statement earlier about how RoboCop is "about" freedom and the illusions of control we're given rather than being "about" robots fighting each other is dead on and tells me he definitely gets it. I'm also glad he's approaching the remake from this standpoint instead of making sure someone says "Bitches leave..." at a funny point. I guess what I'm saying is I hope this is the exact opposite of the Total Recall remake.
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| # ? Jul 22, 2012 13:06 |
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Also for anyone who hasn't been following the Cannibal Holocaust thread, it blew my mind that Jose Padilha also did the amazing Secrets of the Tribe documentary (which you can watch online). I think that should defray any concern about whether or not he really 'gets' the opportunities that this --for lack of a better word-- franchise brings for social commentary.quote:I'm also glad he's approaching the remake from this standpoint instead of making sure someone says "Bitches leave..." at a funny point. I guess what I'm saying is I hope this is the exact opposite of the Total Recall remake.
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| # ? Jul 22, 2012 14:49 |
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Neo Rasa posted:Padilha's statement earlier about how RoboCop is "about" freedom and the illusions of control we're given rather than being "about" robots fighting each other is dead on and tells me he definitely gets it. I'm also glad he's approaching the remake from this standpoint instead of making sure someone says "Bitches leave..." at a funny point. I guess what I'm saying is I hope this is the exact opposite of the Total Recall remake. Same. That Total Recall trailer looks like it's everything and nothing. Oh look, it's Equlibrium! It's Fifth Element! It's I, Robot! It's the exact same plotline from Total Recall!
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| # ? Jul 22, 2012 14:55 |
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I think the people making the Total Recall remake are totally doing it right, I mean, they got the 3 titted hooker, what else about Total Recall is important, nothing. 3 Titted Hooker, a good remake.
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FishBulb posted:I think the people making the Total Recall remake are totally doing it right, I mean, they got the 3 titted hooker, what else about Total Recall is important, nothing. 3 Titted Hooker, a good remake. I haven't read the PKD story that Total Recall is based on...was the 3 Titted Hooker in that?
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| # ? Jul 22, 2012 16:29 |
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Ensign_Ricky posted:I haven't read the PKD story that Total Recall is based on...was the 3 Titted Hooker in that? Who cares a movie isn't a book.
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| # ? Jul 22, 2012 16:48 |
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Ensign_Ricky posted:I haven't read the PKD story that Total Recall is based on...was the 3 Titted Hooker in that? I don't even think the original story the main character never left Earth. Edit: I just read the original short story. It's a tight little read, but I'm right, he never leaves Earth, at least during the course of the story. By itself, it could have easily been a "Twilight Zone" episode, which should tell you of how much was added to the film adaptation. I can even imagine the Rod Serling intro and outro speech. Young Freud fucked around with this message at Jul 22, 2012 around 17:42 |
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I'm not usually one to complain about content ratings for movies, but really, the fact that the Total Recall remake is PG-13 kind of pisses me off. The absurd gore was part of the fun of the original, if you take that out then it's just not Total Recall anymore.
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| # ? Jul 22, 2012 21:37 |
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For Total Recall, I almost want to see them do 80 minutes of movie, give the film 'a happy ending', roll the credits, then have a post credits scene that looks to provide a teaser or a zinger, but it keeps going... You thought the movie was OVER?! No, we got like another 30 minutes of stuff to go! GOTCHA! All that happy ending stuff you just saw was a dream! Here's the REAL ending.
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| # ? Jul 23, 2012 07:54 |
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Ensign_Ricky posted:I haven't read the PKD story that Total Recall is based on...was the 3 Titted Hooker in that? It's a reference to A Hitchiker's Guide To The Galaxy, so is the use of towels.
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| # ? Jul 23, 2012 11:49 |
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JediTalentAgent posted:For Total Recall, I almost want to see them do 80 minutes of movie, give the film 'a happy ending', roll the credits, then have a post credits scene that looks to provide a teaser or a zinger, but it keeps going... You thought the movie was OVER?! No, we got like another 30 minutes of stuff to go! GOTCHA! All that happy ending stuff you just saw was a dream! Here's the REAL ending. I have a friend who loves to bring up that Total Recall should have ended much like Brazil: Right when Quaid and Melina look up into the blue skies on Mars, Dr. Edgemar, Bob MacClane, and a crying Lori all appear as giants in the background, then cutting to the Rekall lab and Quaid drooling like a vegetable with a big grin on his face.
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| # ? Jul 23, 2012 17:09 |
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Young Freud posted:I have a friend who loves to bring up that Total Recall should have ended much like Brazil: Right when Quaid and Melina look up into the blue skies on Mars, Dr. Edgemar, Bob MacClane, and a crying Lori all appear as giants in the background, then cutting to the Rekall lab and Quaid drooling like a vegetable with a big grin on his face. It kind of does. People have interpreted the bright sun filling up the screen as a drill piercing Quaid's brain to give him a lobotomy
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ephori posted:Jay Baruchel?! Seriously?? This guy?? The only acceptable use of Jay Baruchel in this film is as the guy that gets his arse clotheslined into a fridge at the convenience store.
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| # ? Jul 23, 2012 20:56 |
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Pato posted:Seriously?? This guy?? The only acceptable use of Jay Baruchel in this film is as the guy that gets his arse clotheslined into a fridge at the convenience store. Or, as the executive who is decimated in the OCP boardroom by ED-209.
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| # ? Jul 24, 2012 00:43 |
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Is it possible for Robocop to look better than the original design?
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| # ? Jul 24, 2012 00:44 |
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Pato posted:Seriously?? This guy?? The only acceptable use of Jay Baruchel in this film is as the guy that gets his arse clotheslined into a fridge at the convenience store. Jay Baruchel is in Cronenberg's Cosmopolis, so he's got to be good to be hanging in a Cronenberg film.
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| # ? Jul 24, 2012 01:40 |
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Barrabas the Gray posted:Is it possible for Robocop to look better than the original design? I think yes. He's still a relatively slow and lumbering cyborg that is probably inefficient except that he's able to dish out and soak up a lot of damage, but he does have a great look, it's iconic and believeable in how a machine-man could look and feel at that time. I think with the times that look can evolve. For me, it's not just the complete look of Robocop that makes me think of the character, it's those moments of vulnerability when his helmet is off and we see what's left of his human face. He seems less like a guy in a robot suit and more like a man trying to separate himself from his metal shell. So long as that sort of visual remains, I think that even major design changes to the total package will be acceptable.
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| # ? May 26, 2013 09:27 |
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Pato posted:Seriously?? This guy?? The only acceptable use of Jay Baruchel in this film is as the guy that gets his arse clotheslined into a fridge at the convenience store. Don't you loving talk poo poo on Jay Baruchel.
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